My theory on how to fix the offense.

[NewEra]

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

[JJGauna]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

Is that a typo or Kincaid’s new nickname. Either way, love it.

[NewEra]

Just now, JJGauna said:

Is that a typo or Kincaid’s new nickname. Either way, love it.

I’ve adopted it as my nickname for him.  Call him whatcha like?

[Ray Stonada]

You've cracked it. Lou Anarumo or Spags would have no answer for this!

[NewEra]

49 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Kincaid is young and has ball security issues. Diggs remains first read. 

Ball security issues 😜 

48 minutes ago, Ray Stonada said:

You've cracked it. Lou Anarumo or Spags would have no answer for this!

wees gots dem

[CaptnCoke11]

My theory is catch the ball and quit throwing stupid interceptions.  
 

Pittsburgh has turned it over the least and yet has been outgained every game and is 6-3.  That just shows you important it is to take care of the ball on offense and take it away on defense 

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ball security issues 😜 

wees gots dem

What ball security issues?  The one fumble and 1 drop?  

[JerseyBills]

It all comes down to 17 playing better.  He can have us go 7-0 or 0-7

It's baffling especially adding an elite weapon like Kingcaid 

Maybe it was Dorsey, we shall see but I've seen too many negative plays by Josh where he had multiple other options to make it a positive 

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

IDK if Kincaid as first read is best, but I’d lobby for scheming Diggs some 1v1’s and motion while giving Kincaid the Beasley option routes. Then when giving Diggs the option routes sending Kincaid down the seam to stress safeties and LBers. 
 

Anything has to be better than running two separate concepts on each side of the field that rely on Allen and 1-2 pass catchers to read the defense at the same time. I’ll give Dorsey credit for the fact that when it’s clicking it’s unstoppable…. But that “when it’s clicking” aspect is like Sex Panther; 60% of the time, it works every time. The hot read being an option route on the backside isn’t always reliable with a rookie. DK is coming into form, but he’s not at an elite level of processing quite yet. 

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

I don’t understand why they have him running such short routes.  He’ll catch a pass 5 yards from a first down and then have to dive for, but usually comes up short of, the first down.  Plus, his routes are by the sidelines.  I thought he was supposed to be the new over the middle slot guy?

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

 

While I agree on running the Offense through Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir - winning the Super Bowl this year is a pie in the sky dream.

 

At 5 losses, we'd pretty much have to win out. With the Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys, Chargers, and Dolphins on the horizon and us currently not even being able to beat teams like the Patriots, Jets, and Broncos - the chances are slim to none of that happening, regardless of the changes we make going forward.

 

I'm all for Bill-eiving and I hope we see some better games going forward. But we're not going from where we've been all year to a Super Bowl winner just like that.

[Figster]

2 hours ago, JJGauna said:

Is that a typo or Kincaid’s new nickname. Either way, love it.

 

Call our new O the Kingcaid Gun

 

I also love it. 

[vanislebills44]

allen needs incentives in his contract for every time he utilizes a checkdown and doesnt force throws into tight coverage....

 

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

not a completely crazy idea. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Mine are up tempo, less option routes, more than 2 running plays, play action and fight for ever damn yard. If you get one to two more yards on every play that adds over a 100 yards of offense.

 

This on every single play !!!

 

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

Stay the heck away from Gabe Davis - AGREE

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

Kincaid is young and has ball security issues. Diggs remains first read. 

 

"ball security issues" ?????

[Pete]

some simple fixes Brady can make that immediately make offense better, now that Dorsey is gone.

 

No more shotgun running plays on 4th and 1.  Bills are one of best Tush Push teams, but instead they like to line up 6 yards deep to gain 1 yard.

 

More Josh under center.  Much more.

 

More play action.  Much more.

 

Stop bunching WRs on routes!  Space them!

 

More motion and eye candy.

 

More hurry up offense throughout the game.  We dictate the pace, not the D.

 

Be inventive.  Dorsey was the most predictable.

 

More intermediate and deep routes.  Has Gabe(Mr Drop) been sent deeper then 15 yards yet?

 

If our run game is working, don't abandon it.

 

Disclipine and Fundamentals.

 

I could go on.  I am no offensive coordinator- but all of the above is obvious to my amateur eye.

 

Dorsey was stale and throwing wrenches into gears.

 

Brady is walking into great situation IMO.  Dorsey F-ed up offense so bad, that it will be easy for Brady to do better.

 

Good Riddance Dorsey.  Go Brady!  Go Bills!

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Pete

[Doc Brown]

Here's mine.....

 

[Matt_In_NH]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

 

Offense for Kindergarten

[WotAGuy]

Jets will be waiting for that opening play pass to Kincaid. Seems like Josh goes to him within the first two plays every game. 

[Lane Meyer K12]

Stop lining up in shotgun formation so much, run the ball more and use play action more. 

[stinky finger]

Simple as that 🤷🏻‍♂️

[BigPappy]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

So... your brilliant idea is to go in that order for every passing play regardless of the read on the defense. Holy crap! Why didn't Ken Dorsey think of that one for his highly efficient unpredictable offense? 🙄

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

I don’t understand why they have him running such short routes.  He’ll catch a pass 5 yards from a first down and then have to dive for, but usually comes up short of, the first down.  Plus, his routes are by the sidelines.  I thought he was supposed to be the new over the middle slot guy?

Ask Dorsey. 

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

While I agree on running the Offense through Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir - winning the Super Bowl this year is a pie in the sky dream.

 

At 5 losses, we'd pretty much have to win out. With the Chiefs, Eagles, Cowboys, Chargers, and Dolphins on the horizon and us currently not even being able to beat teams like the Patriots, Jets, and Broncos - the chances are slim to none of that happening, regardless of the changes we make going forward.

 

I'm all for Bill-eiving and I hope we see some better games going forward. But we're not going from where we've been all year to a Super Bowl winner just like that.

Sorry, I guess I should’ve been more transparent.  More of a parody thread than anything else. 

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Offense for Kindergarten

Yes.  

Edited November 16, 2023 by NewEra

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BigPappy said:

So... your brilliant idea is to go in that order for every passing play regardless of the read on the defense. Holy crap! Why didn't Ken Dorsey think of that one for his highly efficient unpredictable offense? 🙄

Yup.  That’s my fool proof plan.  

[Charles Romes]

8 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It all comes down to 17 playing better.  He can have us go 7-0 or 0-7

It's baffling especially adding an elite weapon like Kingcaid 

Maybe it was Dorsey, we shall see but I've seen too many negative plays by Josh where he had multiple other options to make it a positive 

AND the oline and wr room completely healthy every single game the whole season. 

[Yobogoya!]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

 

I do think we need to run this offense through Kincaid and Diggs, the way the KC offense ran through Tyreek and Kelce for all those years. 

 

Don't make defenses game plan to stop just one of them. Make defenses game plan to stop BOTH OF THEM.

 

If one gets shut down, feed the other. If they adjust to stopping that guy, go back. If neither is working, the run game is probably wide open. THEN YOU FEED COOK. 

 

We should have a mindset of attacking defenses wherever they're weakest, and then feature that player UNTIL THEY STOP IT. 

[chongli]

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

Diggs and Kincaid have definitely been reads 1 and 2. I’d like to see them go to Cook as 3 more as well. 

4 hours ago, Lane Meyer K12 said:

Stop lining up in shotgun formation so much, run the ball more and use play action more. 

And stop going pass, pass, pass, incompletion, run, run run, stuff, pass, pass, pass…

[DuckyBoys]

How about use Harty like Beasley underneath on short routes.  Run some screens w the rbs.  Do more one step quick passes like in the TB game.  Use more motion  Run more from the I  w Josh under center  Run the middle rb screen.  Kincaid down the seam.  End arounds, jet shuffle pass  

 

Maybe not call that sideline mesh concept ever again and spend half a practice on ball security  Guys still not putting the ball into the sideline hand and covering it up w both hands in traffic 

[ngbills]

There is a lot of scheme stuff that needs to be fixed. But a mindset shift needs to take place. Not sure if McD can handle it though. For whatever reason McD has come to a place that he would rather win 20-10 than 42-35. This has led to the conservative, complementary football or whatever you want to call it approach. He wants to play the time of possession game rather than the uptempo get as many plays off as you can game. He does not like scoring in 2 minutes and would rather drag it out. This is O and I dont think this league is built like that. I think the MIA game is a good example, as I believe McD felt he could not stop MIA from scoring so was willing to go full throttle with the O. We saw the result. We need to get back to that. The slow, time of possession game can be played in the handful of games that we wind up with second half blowouts. 

[brianthomas]

55 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

thats an interesting team stat. Especially for one that just fired their OC. Makes one think the issues are beyond just the offense. But i know weeks 2-4 skewed the numbers too. You take those weeks out & goodbye scoring margin.

Also Sean McDermott 7-14 in 7 point games these past 3 years.

GO BILLS

[dorquemada]

I think it'll end up that way anyway but not until Knox is back to wet nurse brown

[ProcessTruster]

12 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It all comes down to 17 playing better.  He can have us go 7-0 or 0-7

It's baffling especially adding an elite weapon like Kingcaid 

Maybe it was Dorsey, we shall see but I've seen too many negative plays by Josh where he had multiple other options to make it a positive 

should be interesting as now there is nowhere else to go with blame other than 17.   

 

IMO, most of the disappointing offense is Josh's not being willing to play QB, he wants to be Superman.  Defenses know how to contain and beat the latter, not  so much the former. 

 

Is what it is.  Fans just don't want to face it (yet)

[CodeMonkey]

7 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

Offense for Kindergarten

OC swap on a short week playing a division rival.  That's where they probably are.

Edited November 16, 2023 by CodeMonkey

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

AND the oline and wr room completely healthy every single game the whole season. 

for sure. Hope Knox and to lesser extent Harris is back asap. But Allen is that good where if he plays at the mvp level he has shown , we can beat anyone 

[Matt_In_NH]

7 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

OC swap on a short week playing a division rival.  That's where they probably are.

Don't agree, Brady, Allen and Dorsey have worked on gameplans all year.  This week Brady and Allen can do it without Dorsey without starting from ground zero.

[Carmel Corn]

Short pass routes on first down to create 2nd and relatively short situations to enable play action on 2nd down.

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

should be interesting as now there is nowhere else to go with blame other than 17.   

 

IMO, most of the disappointing offense is Josh's not being willing to play QB, he wants to be Superman.  Defenses know how to contain and beat the latter, not  so much the former. 

 

Is what it is.  Fans just don't want to face it (yet)

He has been playing QB.  He has made some bad decisions on where to throw the ball.  But guys have not been open much with the routes and scheme we have been running.  Here is a telling stat.  Diggs yards per catch this year is 11.9!  That horrible.  He is supposed to be a top WR.  It needs to be up a lot closer to at least 15.  My point is we are running way too many routes near the line of scrimmage.  A football field is long and wide.  Guys need to be all over the place.  Kincaid's yards per catch is only 8.7.  Are you kidding me?  That's awful for a TE w this guys talent to get down the field.  Dorsey's scheme completely choked down the offense.  

 

Start running guys at least 10,15, 20+ yards down the field and things will open up.  Watch the highlights from the Lions-Chargers game.  Lions had guys running all over the field.  Both teams did for that matter.  

[LABILLBACKER]

16 hours ago, NewEra said:

Easy.  Make Kingcaid the first read on every pass play.  Followed by Diggs, Cook then Shakir.  We’d win the Super Bowl as long as 17 stays healthy.  

Not a terrible idea. Anything to get Gabe off the field. Hopefully Joe scrubs that shotgun draw too.