This team never makes a big stop

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The offense has struggled all season. At times it’s been hard to watch and it’s infuriating….That being said, more then once this offense has kept grinding and gotten us the lead late, only to watch the Defense on skates and blow it. 
 

It’s not just this season, it’s EVERY season with McDermott….overall we end up with good statistics defensively but we never make a stop in a big spot. If we are in a situation where momentum is changing and we need a quick 3 and out to get the ball back, the other team moves it on us every single time. No exceptions. If we get up in a game and need a stop to win…they go down the field and score every time. If we aren’t turning people over, we don’t make stops. This coach has no clue how to get firm in a big spot. 13 seconds was the reveal to the world but it’s been happening on a smaller scale from day 1. If we aren’t turning a team over, we don’t stop them. Every third down, guys wide open. Every short yardage situation, no resistance…constant penalties in back braking spots. This defense looks good on paper but when you need them to step up, never happens

[SoCal Deek]

Well said…and I bet that we all knew it when Denver got the ball. I was screaming for Josh to slide at the one yard line! 

[BILLS55]

Just saying this last night. So true.  The Defense always chokes when it counts the most or we make a stupid mistake / penalties. 

[Bray Wyatt]

The Broncos had 4 drives start in our territory and only got 6 points on those. I would say they made big stops

[Sharky7337]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The offense has struggled all season. At times it’s been hard to watch and it’s infuriating….That being said, more then once this offense has kept grinding and gotten us the lead late, only to watch the Defense on skates and blow it. 
 

It’s not just this season, it’s EVERY season with McDermott….overall we end up with good statistics defensively but we never make a stop in a big spot. If we are in a situation where momentum is changing and we need a quick 3 and out to get the ball back, the other team moves it on us every single time. No exceptions. If we get up in a game and need a stop to win…they go down the field and score every time. If we aren’t turning people over, we don’t make stops. This coach has no clue how to get firm in a big spot. 13 seconds was the reveal to the world but it’s been happening on a smaller scale from day 1. If we aren’t turning a team over, we don’t stop them. Every third down, guys wide open. Every short yardage situation, no resistance…constant penalties in back braking spots. This defense looks good on paper but when you need them to step up, never happens

Im gonna disagree only in that the offense last night squandered many big stops

[Gregg]

You are correct. When the Bills made it 22-21 the first thing, I said was they will lose 24-22. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I was convinced the whole time it was Fraizer, at this point I’m done with McDermott. Every time the other team has a 3rd down you know they are going to buy an extra second and see guys wide open. Every accurate QB shreds this zone. It’s not what we need. Im done with this guy. Get a new young voice in the room

[Ramza86]

The defense always sucks when it matters. 

 

McDermott sending everyone and getting that sack? Nice call.

 

WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN? YOU KNOW RUSS IS ON ALERT NOW AND HAS TO THROW IT UP.

[dorquemada]

Agreed 100%.  THis is the difference between the Bills statistically dominant defense, or what it was, and a defense like KC who give up some yards and points but usually can manage a stop when it counts.

 

I don't know what the bill of goods that McD sold to Pegula, and continues to sell, but he's one hell of a salesman

[Eastport bills]

I thought the defense was stout last night. If we’re being fair, the offense put them in terrible field position and went 3 and out most drives. So not only did they allow very few drives and forced FGs on possessions starting in plus territory, they had sacks and forced an important turnover, giving the offense a short field. You want to blame Johnson for the PI, fine but it shouldn’t have come down to that. The defense was not the problem.

[RiotAct]

it sucks, especially because our defense looked AWESOME last night save for those final two drives.

[BBFL]

The minute Sutton scored that wonder tap TD I knew Denver came to play. Every facet, offense/defense/special teams, had some funky and underwhelming moments. 
 

we didn’t run the ball against porous run defense, special teams made many blunders; kick offs, punt coverage and of course the 12 men on the field, and then to top it off the defense itself missed many crucial tackles and let a QB who’s been unable to gain yards on the ground scramble for a decent chunk of yards. 
 

I’ve never been in the fire McDermott camp but he needs to go at seasons end unless this team makes a miracle 180° turnaround… it’s consistent errors from his game management.

 

Like many others point out, this guy has invested heavily into a defensive line that rarely shows up for massive cap space, roster spots and a heavy rotation. The stats are convoluted to a handful of games. 
 

I think the defense isn’t half as bad as some may think as they are on the field a lot by stalled drives, turnovers and spotty play choices from an offense. 
 

Offense is what wins you games and I, personally, feel we need to shift a coaching regime to that end of the field. Josh has played some head scratching games this year but he still has otherworldly talent that you can harness easy success from…

 

2¢

Edited November 14, 2023 by BBFL

[DrDawkinstein]

only 6 points off 4 turnovers, and our O and ST giving them starts in our own territory all night.

 

If the offense showed up to play like the defense, we'd only have 1-2 losses.

 

I do believe the DC needs to be fired but not because of our Defensive performance. And I cant knock any of the players on D who show up and play with heart all the time. Unlike most of our Offense.

 

You want a big stop, blame the dummy who called a 2nd all out blitz coming off a time out. Coaching not putting our guys in the best position to succeed.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by DrDawkinstein

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

The Broncos had 4 drives start in our territory and only got 6 points on those. I would say they made big stops

Not in the 4th quarter.

 

Last two drives: 8 minute drive- TD.

 

GW field goal with time expiring 

[BillsFan2313]

7 minutes ago, Gregg said:

You are correct. When the Bills made it 22-21 the first thing, I said was they will lose 24-22. 

 

Wow, way to go out on a limb... 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

only 6 points off 4 turnovers, and our O and ST giving them starts in our own territory all night.

 

If the offense showed up to play like the defense, we'd only have 1-2 losses.

 

I do believe the DC needs to be fired but not because of our Defensive performance. And I cant knock any of the players on D who show up and play with heart all the time. Unlike most of our Offense.

 

You want a big stop, blame the dummy who called a 2nd all out blitz coming off a time out. Coaching not putting our guys in the best position to succeed.

 

Defense kept us alive in the game all night.

 

Competent teams, like the Eagles, would’ve been up 21-0 at the end of the first Q.

 

I don’t understand how folks don’t get this. Unless we are ASKING the banged up defense to score points for the offense, what else can they do?

[Bray Wyatt]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Not in the 4th quarter.

 

Last two drives: 8 minute drive- TD.

 

GW field goal with time expiring 

 

The OP said big stops. People are really going to make it look like I am defending the coaching here and I am not, but do you think that maybe since they were on the field all game in tough spots they got wore out in the 4th? (And even then still should have won if not for bad coaching decisions)

Just now, FireChans said:

Defense kept us alive in the game all night.

 

Competent teams, like the Eagles, would’ve been up 21-0 at the end of the first Q.

 

I don’t understand how folks don’t get this. Unless we are ASKING the banged up defense to score points for the offense, what else can they do?

 

Well said

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

only 6 points off 4 turnovers, and our O and ST giving them starts in our own territory all night.

 

If the offense showed up to play like the defense, we'd only have 1-2 losses.

 

I do believe the DC needs to be fired but not because of our Defensive performance. And I cant knock any of the players on D who show up and play with heart all the time. Unlike most of our Offense.

Yeah. If I'm dealing out blame it's like 40% offense (So Dorsey, I think most of Allen's woes are scheme issues), 50% McD (letting the offense get this bad without adjustments), and 10% the defense not holding up in the last moments.

 

 

[BBFL]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Not in the 4th quarter.

 

Last two drives: 8 minute drive- TD.

 

GW field goal with time expiring 

That last TD drive started at midfield man… Another ST let down. Sure they could have done better but they were on fringe scoring  to start. 
 

Sideline to Perine and the short pass to Sutton on 3rd & 4 were the only absolute failings by the defense on that drive… They converted that due to coverage design. 

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The offense has struggled all season. At times it’s been hard to watch and it’s infuriating….That being said, more then once this offense has kept grinding and gotten us the lead late, only to watch the Defense on skates and blow it. 
 

It’s not just this season, it’s EVERY season with McDermott….overall we end up with good statistics defensively but we never make a stop in a big spot. If we are in a situation where momentum is changing and we need a quick 3 and out to get the ball back, the other team moves it on us every single time. No exceptions. If we get up in a game and need a stop to win…they go down the field and score every time. If we aren’t turning people over, we don’t make stops. This coach has no clue how to get firm in a big spot. 13 seconds was the reveal to the world but it’s been happening on a smaller scale from day 1. If we aren’t turning a team over, we don’t stop them. Every third down, guys wide open. Every short yardage situation, no resistance…constant penalties in back braking spots. This defense looks good on paper but when you need them to step up, never happens

 

Recency bias.  You can go back numerous times since McD was here and see plays where the D won the game.

 

Taron Johnson intercepting Mahomes to end the game last year was one.

 

This offense is unacceptable and the fact people want to act like because they gave us a lead late that it somehow falls on the D is laughable.  They are the only reason the Bills weren't down by 20+ after handing them 4 TO's and an average drive start of their own 42 yard line.  So tired of watching this offense remind me of the Dick Jauron/Chan Gailey/Doug Marrone era offenses.  Inexcusable.

[FireChans]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Recency bias.  You can go back numerous times since McD was here and see plays where the D won the game.

 

Taron Johnson intercepting Mahomes to end the game last year was one.

 

This offense is unacceptable and the fact people want to act like because they gave us a lead late that it somehow falls on the D is laughable.  They are the only reason the Bills weren't down by 20+ after handing them 4 TO's and an average drive start of their own 42 yard line.  So tired of watching this offense remind me of the Dick Jauron/Chan Gailey/Doug Marrone era offenses.  Inexcusable.

We don’t pay Josh and Stef half a billy to play Jauron ball and try to steal the game at the end. 
 

We are winless this season when the defense allows 21 points. That’s league average. We cannot score enough. Offense is broke.

[MAJBobby]

Can someone explain to me why we spend all these assets and cash on the DL only to run ineffective blitzes at key times?

 

you DL was getting pressure without the blitz isn’t that the goal?  
 

by not blitzing wouldn’t that have been useful to help with a spy and the banged up Defensive Backfield?

 

 

 

[Yobogoya!]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Can someone explain to me why we spend all these assets and cash on the DL only to run ineffective blitzes at key times?

 

you DL was getting pressure without the blitz isn’t that the goal?  
 

by not blitzing wouldn’t that have been useful to help with a spy and the banged up Defensive Backfield?

 

 

 

 

I swear our blitzers are specifically looking for blockers to run into, lol. It's sad. 

 

Or they run untouched into the QB and whiff on him. See that a lot, too. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Can someone explain to me why we spend all these assets and cash on the DL only to run ineffective blitzes at key times?

 

you DL was getting pressure without the blitz isn’t that the goal?  
 

by not blitzing wouldn’t that have been useful to help with a spy and the banged up Defensive Backfield?

 

 

 

 

I didn't get that.... 3x1 spy with dorian again, 7 in coverage with 5 across.  Force the 4th down.  Make payton decide to go for it or kick the long FG.   I mean hell you can man match with safety help over the top.  

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

The OP said big stops. People are really going to make it look like I am defending the coaching here and I am not, but do you think that maybe since they were on the field all game in tough spots they got wore out in the 4th? (And even then still should have won if not for bad coaching decisions)

 

Well said

Nope. Crunch time you need to make a stop. This is not a one time thing .

 

4 times this year they needed a stop when they were leading or needed a stop in the 4th to have a chance.

Want to know what the results are?

 

0-4.

 

Jax- 2 TDs in a row to salt the game away

NE- GW drive to mac jones

cinci- drains the clock to end game

Den- GW drive to Russell Wilson

 

The offence is def the reason they lost in a vacuum . But the defence is to blame as well as it’s the same story with them in the 4th quarter 

Edited November 14, 2023 by BillsFan130

[zow2]

13 seconds is the big "didn't get the big stop" moment, but yeah, there's been countless others.  Just this season, we've seen the offense finally show up late and the D could not get that one big stop against Denver, Cinci, Mac Jones, Jags.  And they didn't even stop the NY Giants, they got kinda lucky.  There's so many more including all those OT losses...

[Bermuda Triangle]

12 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Not in the 4th quarter.

 

Last two drives: 8 minute drive- TD.

 

GW field goal with time expiring 

It's a pattern, for sure.

[JerseyBills]

23 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well said…and I bet that we all knew it when Denver got the ball. I was screaming for Josh to slide at the one yard line! 

Same! I knew it'd be just like NE cpl weeks ago. And the whole McD era 

[Bray Wyatt]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Nope. Crunch time you need to make a stop. This is not a one time thing .

 

4 times this year they needed a stop when they were leading or needed a stop in the 4th to have a chance.

Want to know what the results are?

 

0-4.

 

Jax- 2 TDs in a row to salt the game away

NE- GW drive to mac jones

cinci- drains the clock to end game

Den- GW drive to Russell Wilson

 

The offence is def the reason they lost in a vacuum . But the defence is to blame as well as it’s the same story with them in the 4th quarter 

 

You are arguing against a point that I didnt make. 

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, BBFL said:

That last TD drive started at midfield man… Another ST let down. Sure they could have done better but they were on fringe scoring  to start. 
 

Sideline to Perine and the short pass to Sutton on 3rd & 4 were the only absolute failings by the defense on that drive… They converted that due to coverage design. 

You have to make a stop on one of those two drives

 

It’s Russell Wilson we are talking here. Not pat Mahomes .

 

No excuse to give up a 8 minute TD drive and a GW field goal to end the game against Rus Wilson 

 

Stop one^ of those and you win 

[streetkings01]

It’s been the same story with the defense for awhile now. People will point to the injuries and how well they’ve played despite the injuries, but they always and I mean always give up a pivotal scoring drive when we clearly need a stop.

 

That defensive line is the healthiest unit and they should be good enough to get pivotal stops which they never do. We watched Zack Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Mac Jones, Baker Mayfield and the ghost of Russel Wilson all drive the ball down the field to either win the game or put their team in position to win the game!

Edited November 14, 2023 by streetkings01

[UKBillFan]

25 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

The Broncos had 4 drives start in our territory and only got 6 points on those. I would say they made big stops

 

The offense suddenly appears in clutch moments. The defense disappears.

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Bray Wyatt said:

 

You are arguing against a point that I didnt make. 

 

 

 

Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

But no I don’t think them being on the field all game is an excuse. Part of the reason they are on the field all game is because they don’t force many 3 and outs.

 

(Of course mixed with bad offence as well)

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The defense absolutely kept us alive in that first half but when the lights came on and the game was changing we needed to make a stop we let them go right down the field on us. It’s just constant. The entire game counts I get that but once we took a late lead, you have to hold it.

[BeastMaster]

HC is a defensive guy, and he is also the DC

 

Every game when all we need is a stop to win, the defense folds

 

This is easy. Coach has to be held to account

[Gregg]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Wow, way to go out on a limb... 

 

Has nothing to do with going out on limb. Just knew it would be another heartbreaking loss like the NE game. 

[Johnnycage46]

It's too convenient to blame the defense.  They were on the field for 40 minutes compared to our O's 20 mins of possession.  They held up pretty much all game and it was bound to happen with the way the offense insists on screwing around for 85% of most games.  Instead of blaming the defense...point the blame at Allen and the coaching staff.  They lost this game, the Jets game, and the Patriots game.

[BuffaloRebound]

It’s called finding a way to lose even when the other team hands you the game.  McDermott is a good man who brought us out of the depths, but it’s time for a change. 

[The Jokeman]

23 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

The defense always sucks when it matters. 

 

McDermott sending everyone and getting that sack? Nice call.

 

WHY ARE YOU DOING THE SAME THING AGAIN? YOU KNOW RUSS IS ON ALERT NOW AND HAS TO THROW IT UP.

Wilson was averaging less than 5 yards a pass. The problem wasn't we rushed him, the problem was Taron got beat and had to recover and his first instinct was play the man not the ball and got flagged for it. Do we blame coaches or players at that point? It can go both ways but last night I blame Taron on that, as he's been horrible in coverage most of this season. 

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We don’t pay Josh and Stef half a billy to play Jauron ball and try to steal the game at the end. 
 

We are winless this season when the defense allows 21 points. That’s league average. We cannot score enough. Offense is broke.

 

Nathaniel Hackett got more production out of Thad Lewis, Jeff Tuel, Marquise Goodwin and Sammy Watkins then we are getting out of Josh Allen and Diggs right now.  That's mind numbing.