This team never makes a big stop

[FireChans]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

That don’t count as stops to me.

 

Those teams ran out of time.

 

Giants had 65 yards to go with 0 timeouts with about 1:30.

And tampa had 80 yards to go with 0 timeouts in 20 seconds lol.

Those aren’t “stops “ to me

They had the ball and needed to score to win, and the defense didn't let them lol.

 

Why are you trying to change the definition?

 

If the defense tackled Russell Wilson and the Broncos ran out of time, that wouldn't be a stop?

 

When Josh and the offense couldn't get out of bounds vs the Dolphins last year to kick a field goal, the Dolphins defense didn't stop us, we just ran out of time?

 

What?

 

What is your definition of a "stop?"  They have to get the ball back for the offense to go victory formation at least once?

 

What about putting them in a position to miss a field goal?  Is that a stop?

[34-30]

To be fair..not many teams get that stop. If a team needs a FG to win/tie in the modern NFL, there is a greater than not chance they're going to get the attempt. Whether its on their own, or aided by officials/calls, the ball is getting moved.  

 

Great defense in the NFL doesn't mean what it used to. (though the trend of defense/run game seems to cycling back)

[BillsFan130]

55 minutes ago, FireChans said:

They had the ball and needed to score to win, and the defense didn't let them lol.

 

Why are you trying to change the definition?

 

If the defense tackled Russell Wilson and the Broncos ran out of time, that wouldn't be a stop?

 

When Josh and the offense couldn't get out of bounds vs the Dolphins last year to kick a field goal, the Dolphins defense didn't stop us, we just ran out of time?

 

What?

 

What is your definition of a "stop?"  They have to get the ball back for the offense to go victory formation at least once?

 

What about putting them in a position to miss a field goal?  Is that a stop?

A “stop” isn’t objective. There has to be lots of context to it.

 

Fine you want to argue the giants one was a stop? I will disagree but ok. The clock and no timeouts had more of a factor than the bills defence making plays in my opinion.

 

the bucs one was not a “stop”… 

 

80 yards to go with 20 seconds on the clock with 0 timeouts.

 

What defence would actually piss that away? 
 

It was even amazing Tampa got off a Hail Mary and should have had 1st and goal from the 1 from a missed PI call.

 

Giants one? Fine I get your argument but I’ll disagree. Bucs one? That is not a “stop”. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by BillsFan130

[Dablitzkrieg]

When has a Bills defense ever been clutch when it mattered?

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

A “stop” isn’t objective. There has to be lots of context to it.

 

Fine you want to argue the giants one was a stop? I will disagree but ok. The clock and no timeouts had more of a factor than the bills defence making plays in my opinion.

 

the bucs one was not a “stop”… 

 

80 yards to go with 20 seconds on the clock with 0 timeouts.

 

What defence would actually piss that away? 
 

It was even amazing Tampa got off a Hail Mary and should have had 1st and goal from the 1 from a missed PI call.

 

Giants one? Fine I get your argument but I’ll disagree. Bucs one? That is not a “stop”. 

You only disagree because it doesn’t help your argument.

 

A pass defensed on the goal line to end the game is a stop for everyone else on the planet. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

This team hasn't made a big 3rd down stop in 20 years

[Sherlock Holmes]

13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well said…and I bet that we all knew it when Denver got the ball. I was screaming for Josh to slide at the one yard line! 

We needed a TD

[mrags]

14 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The offense has struggled all season. At times it’s been hard to watch and it’s infuriating….That being said, more then once this offense has kept grinding and gotten us the lead late, only to watch the Defense on skates and blow it. 
 

It’s not just this season, it’s EVERY season with McDermott….overall we end up with good statistics defensively but we never make a stop in a big spot. If we are in a situation where momentum is changing and we need a quick 3 and out to get the ball back, the other team moves it on us every single time. No exceptions. If we get up in a game and need a stop to win…they go down the field and score every time. If we aren’t turning people over, we don’t make stops. This coach has no clue how to get firm in a big spot. 13 seconds was the reveal to the world but it’s been happening on a smaller scale from day 1. If we aren’t turning a team over, we don’t stop them. Every third down, guys wide open. Every short yardage situation, no resistance…constant penalties in back braking spots. This defense looks good on paper but when you need them to step up, never happens

It’s because his bend but don’t break conservative defense that he’s employed since he’s been here. Then he does something like he did last night and 2 blitzes in a row to get burned and he won’t blitz again for 5 more games. 

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

A “stop” isn’t objective. There has to be lots of context to it.

 

Fine you want to argue the giants one was a stop? I will disagree but ok. The clock and no timeouts had more of a factor than the bills defence making plays in my opinion.

 

the bucs one was not a “stop”… 

 

80 yards to go with 20 seconds on the clock with 0 timeouts.

 

What defence would actually piss that away? 
 

It was even amazing Tampa got off a Hail Mary and should have had 1st and goal from the 1 from a missed PI call.

 

Giants one? Fine I get your argument but I’ll disagree. Bucs one? That is not a “stop”. 

The ball was delivered in the endzone to win the game. A catch or a pass interference ,as you should well known we are highly prone to, is a loss. Games don't get much closer than one play that sends you home with a W or L. it's a textbook definition of "a stop".

[NewEra]

They’ve made several big stops.

 

They’ve also failed at making several big stops.  

[Thrivefourfive]

What about the Giants game?!?!?!

 

I swear, that game is becoming revered around here. THE BILLS OFFENSE WAS PERFECT IN THE SECOND HALF! We are sad. 

[BillsFan130]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

You only disagree because it doesn’t help your argument.

 

A pass defensed on the goal line to end the game is a stop for everyone else on the planet. 

You’re making a “stop” way too black and white here.

 

Giants one? Like I said, ok if you want to count that Fine even though I disagree because I am factoring in context. But yes you have a legitimate argument for that one

 

You also said the bucs one is a “stop” which by rule, technically you’re “right”. But it once again doesn’t factor in common sense and context. (80 yards to go in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts..)

 

Where’s the line here? If a team gets the ball on their own 1 yard line with 1 second to go and the defence “stops them”, would that count as a stop in your mind?

 

Or does it make more sense to use context and common sense?

Edited November 15, 2023 by BillsFan130

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

You’re making a “stop” way too black and white here.

 

Giants one? Like I said, ok if you want to count that Fine even though I disagree because I am factoring in context. But yes you have a legitimate argument for that one

 

You also said the bucs one is a “stop” which by rule, technically you’re “right”. But it once again doesn’t factor in common sense and context. (80 yards to go in 20 seconds with 0 timeouts..)

 

Where’s the line here? If a team gets the ball on their own 1 yard line with 1 second to go and the defence “stops them”, would that count as a stop in your mind?

 

Or does it make more sense to use context and common sense?

They are all stops. More or less impressive stops, but stops nonetheless. 
 

If a team went 99 yards in 1 play and scored a TD with no time left, you’d blame the defense for not stopping them, right?

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

They are all stops. More or less impressive stops, but stops nonetheless. 
 

If a team went 99 yards in 1 play and scored a TD with no time left, you’d blame the defense for not stopping them, right?

Your team is down by 3 with 7 to go.

 

You let up a 6:45 drive but gave up no points and you get the ball back at your 2 yard line with 15 seconds to go.

 

But hey, it’s a stop right as that’s all that matters !🙄

 

I can go on and on. You are failing to apply any Common sense and context to what you’re trying to argue about “stops”

 

 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Your team is down by 3 with 7 to go.

 

You let up a 6:45 drive but gave up no points and you get the ball back at your 2 yard line with 15 seconds to go.

 

But hey, it’s a stop right as that’s all that matters !🙄

 

I can go on and on. You are failing to apply any Common sense and context to what you’re trying to argue about “stops”

 

 

That is a stop, yeah. 

[BillsFan130]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That is a stop, yeah. 

LOL😂

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

This defense is the same every single time we need it. Every single time we need a stop it’s a guarantee they are scoring. Even if you fire McDermott tonight it’s not fast enough. This defense cost us a Super Bowl and now we missed the playoffs in the most wide open year in forever. Absolutely sickening and inexcusable.

[Nitro]

Over 500 yards offense.  Should have won this in a route.   13 points left on the field. 

[goldenboy81]

Still true to this day

[Bermuda Triangle]

what will all of the defense apologists have to say this week?

 

Read a thread here earlier today in which a poster said that on THREE occasions this season, the offense has scored a TD with under 2:00 left, to take the lead.  The Bills are 0-3 in those games.  That's hard to do.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Every year from the Texans loss on has been about the defense letting down in big spots. We have wasted an all time offensive window because our defense in invisible when it matter. Somehow, inexplicably the 1 year our defense wasn’t the causes of our season ending was 17. The worst playoff team we had…the 1 that the defense gave us a shot.

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Every year from the Texans loss on has been about the defense letting down in big spots. We have wasted an all time offensive window because our defense in invisible when it matter. Somehow, inexplicably the 1 year our defense wasn’t the causes of our season ending was 17. The worst playoff team we had…the 1 that the defense gave us a shot.

But the defense didn't give us a shot in the Cinci game last year.  Cinci ran a train through our defense.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

But the defense didn't give us a shot in the Cinci game last year.  Cinci ran a train through our defense.

The defense never gives us a shot any year. What are you talking about? I’m blaming the defense for all of this. I made the thread

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The defense never gives us a shot any year. What are you talking about? I’m blaming the defense for all of this. I made the thread

Isn't this what you said?

 

Somehow, inexplicably the 1 year our defense wasn’t the causes of our season ending was 17. The worst playoff team we had…the 1 that the defense gave us a shot.

 

 

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Isn't this what you said?

 

Somehow, inexplicably the 1 year our defense wasn’t the causes of our season ending was 17. The worst playoff team we had…the 1 that the defense gave us a shot.

 

 

 

The only year the defense DIDNT cost us was 17….every other year it did. Then you brought up last year? Yeah last year we got run the ***** over. Only in 2017 was the defense NOT an issue 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[Toyo321]

McD is a one trick pony and personally he only knows zone coverage.  He has cost us so many games going to this Zone deep protect crap that it is beyond belief.  He sucks as a head coach and as a Def. coordinator.  There is nothing game changing with anything he brings to this D side of the ball.

 

I am also done with Poyer and Hyde, their mistakes this year are un F***ing believable.  They are old, slow and are not elite by any standard right now.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Toyo321

[Bermuda Triangle]

24 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The only year the defense DIDNT cost us was 17….every other year it did. Then you brought up last year? Yeah last year we got run the ***** over. Only in 2017 was the defense NOT an issue 

My bad - misread your post.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

There, now they actually did. Can’t kill then for not and ignore them when they do. Great job guys. Proud of you 

[DapperCam]

I mean did they really? KC scored a TD and it got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with the play. I would say KC stopped themselves.

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

I mean did they really? KC scored a TD and it got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with the play. I would say KC stopped themselves.

This is where I'm at too.  They made the stop....after they didn't.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

I mean did they really? KC scored a TD and it got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with the play. I would say KC stopped themselves.

Well then you can apply that logic to multiple Bills losses too for killing themselves 

[HurlyBurly51]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Well then you can apply that logic to multiple Bills losses too for killing themselves 

Absolutely!  I believe there's a term for that😇

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There, now they actually did. Can’t kill then for not and ignore them when they do. Great job guys. Proud of you 

Yea, I don’t think this is the one you rally around. Even stopping 4 plays to get off the field, that is a real tough one to say that was a stop at the same time.

[BillsPride12]

7 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I mean did they really? KC scored a TD and it got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with the play. I would say KC stopped themselves.

They Out-Billsed the Bills this week.  It was great to be on the other end of one of these for once! 

[DuckyBoys]

Bills miscues are contagious  Chiefs out did the Bills today in the blunder dept

[PromoTheRobot]

... Until they do.

[BBFL]

Don’t need to make a big stop when an opposing player does it for you…

 

 

 

[QCity]

Toney needs security to get out of that stadium

[Teddy KGB]

21 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There, now they actually did. Can’t kill then for not and ignore them when they do. Great job guys. Proud of you 

thanks to Toney and and inch 

 

Mcdummy was ready to blow another close one 

[Paul Costa]

19 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

I mean did they really? KC scored a TD and it got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with the play. I would say KC stopped themselves.

Yes they did. The penalty should have been called. That negated the play. Bill win. It’s not their fault Toney lined up Offside.