Rasul Douglas to Bills - per Rap

[QB Bills]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

75.2 is a good grade...that's why it's in green. 

Meant the stats, not the grade. 

[Maine-iac]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think he is an upgrade on our starters. Admittedly haven't seen a lot of Green Bay this season, but have seen a lot of Douglas since he came out of that good 2017 draft class. The Eagles ended up cutting him, 3 years after spending a 3rd on him because teams CONSTANTLY targeted him then he bounced around practice squads before sticking in Green Bay. No team in the NFL has misevaluated DBs as consistently as Green Bay in the past decade. 

 

For a 3rd with a 5th coming back I really do not like this. I think he is a better fit in our scheme than Elam but he is a lateral move from Jackson and Benford for me. 

 

Maybe he has suddenly improved a ton and will prove me wrong but man I hate this deal.

I might be wrong but my guess is Douglas would have been playing for Schwartz in Philly. Barry who is currently with the Packers was LB's coach of Tampa for almost a decade.  I'm guessing it's a tale of two defenses.  Douglas probably fits much better in a zone defense than a man defense and Schwartz plays man and (I'm guessing) Barry, coming from Tampa and Derrick Brooks era, plays zone.

[balln]

5 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’ll trust the fans that have no idea who he is saying he can’t cover anyone over this 😂. Douglas is probably better than white straight up post white’s acl injury 

That’s what I said to my dad. 100%

[78thealltimegreat]

Not a bad deal for a good corner he’s solid. Recoup a pick so they have 10 in the next draft to move around. 
I still would loved a DT to stop the run but hey can’t have everything.

[nedboy7]

6 hours ago, Airseven said:

A 3rd?!? Yeesh!

 

It's amusing how you disappear after the Bills wins.  Then come back with your nonsense after the positivity clears. 

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

There will be a point next year where Douglas and White are our two starting CBs. 

 

At what point in 2024 do you anticipate Tre White being ready to START games at CB? You do remember how long it took him to return from an ACL, right?

 

I guess he can go to Rodgers' surgeon for the alternative procedure and get back sooner to be an absolute HUSK of his former athleticism. Still don't think that gets him ahead of Benford before 2025, if at all. Achilles injuries rob athletes of explosion. 

 

Maybe Tre eventually kicks back to safety (if he's even on the roster next season)? (Usually hate such suggestions, but he has the brain and flexible skillset for it.)

[Nelius]

23 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

It's amusing how you disappear after the Bills wins.  Then come back with your nonsense after the positivity clears. 

He won’t respond but it was hilariously obvious.

 

And technically it’s Douglas and a fifth for a third. That fifth should tip the scales for some. I don’t know where else we’d find a legit vet starter for less. He’s only 28 so even Madden dummies must know that starter + being under 30 is going to cost a bit. Had we shopped around a 6th for some 32 year old vet we all know the complaints would be about the age.

 

Packers Twitter seems pretty split but the ones that are upset that he’s leaving are really upset and provide more reasoning. And pretty much all of them seem to say that “he’s a dog, toughest guy on the team, etc.” Hard to dislike this, laughable to dismiss it as nothing. 

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Yes.  And in the last few hours I have been researching him.  That's usually how it works. 

Yes for aliens or absolute dummies that have spent 20 minutes on the NFL, this is accurate.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Meant the stats, not the grade. 

 

3rd most interceptions in the NFL over the past 3 seasons with 10?  

 

"Douglas has 10 interceptions over the last three seasons and has allowed a 59.8% completion percentage as the nearest defender, per Next Gen Stats. His experience and success in zone coverage will help. Eight of those interceptions came in zone and he allowed 57% of passes to be completed in zone coverage as the nearest defender."

 

Seems pretty solid to me.

[Rocky Landing]

7 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

Well he's no Levi Wallace, but I guess I'll take it 😏

Good thing he was wearing his blue and white boxers when the call came thru. 

[Big Turk]

 

7 hours ago, Airseven said:

A 3rd?!? Yeesh!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Big Turk

[bobobonators]

I may be really late to this but great write up on him here. Super psyched. 
 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/12-things-know-buffalo-bills-rasul-douglas-green-bay-packers-nfl-trade/

[TheyCallMeAndy]

28 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

At what point in 2024 do you anticipate Tre White being ready to START games at CB? You do remember how long it took him to return from an ACL, right?

 

I guess he can go to Rodgers' surgeon for the alternative procedure and get back sooner to be an absolute HUSK of his former athleticism. Still don't think that gets him ahead of Benford before 2025, if at all. Achilles injuries rob athletes of explosion. 

 

Maybe Tre eventually kicks back to safety (if he's even on the roster next season)? (Usually hate such suggestions, but he has the brain and flexible skillset for it.)

I’m just taking the positive side of that coin. Maybe next December we see both on the field. 

[Richard Noggin]

22 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I’m just taking the positive side of that coin. Maybe next December we see both on the field. 

 

Wouldn't that be something. Cheers to that image of a healthy Tre, Rasul, Christian, and Taron locking it DOWN. 

 

I don't think White makes it back as a CB before 2025 tbh. If at all. A move to safety is intriguing, and would be welcome given our impending/expected losses at that position (can't see Poyer or Hyde still in Buffalo after 2023/2024). (Wow, Micah Hyde was SUCH a good signing. Such a steady cornerstone, that we often discount what an impact athlete he's been, too.) 

 

 

[Rocky Landing]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He is a backup.

So is Dane...

[Bruffalo]

34 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I’m just taking the positive side of that coin. Maybe next December we see both on the field. 

If White isn’t cut. 
 

Cold truth is that I think it’s likely we have seen his last snap as a Bill. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

 

It's amusing how you disappear after the Bills wins.  Then come back with your nonsense after the positivity clears. 

 

It should be treated like campaigning but it won't.

[Buffalo Junction]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Douglas definitely was awful with Philly........but then he did suddenly improve.........when he went to GB.

 

Like De'Vondre Campbell did too.   Both were utter trash until they went to GB and then they got very good overnight.    If the Bills had gotten Campbell too it would have gotten the same kind of initial responses but he has been like an 80 PFF grade LB overall since he joined GB.    

 

McBeane need to be able to find these kind of guys who just needed a change of scenery and some seasoning.   Poyer was the last one of those they found and that was technically one of Whaley's(along with Lorax, Tyrod, Zach Brown etc.. that was sorta' Doug's thing).

 

Maybe Elam is that guy for them and just needs some time and guidance like Rasul did.   And maybe that's part of the reason they wanted a guy like Rasul Douglas.........to put a guy on the team that has been thru what Elam is going thru now and got to the other side and became a very good.

Another aspect is that RD played under Holcomb in Carolina, so he likely knows that scheme and terminology already since the DC job went from McD to Eric Washington to Holcomb. The guy is familiar with everything and should get up to speed quickly having previous experience with this defense. 

[ExWNYer]

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Get rid of one of those 6 for my Christian heart😎

 

Well, the Devil is in the details...

 

[GreggTX]

Very good CB. Just for reference, his overall rating in Madden 24 is 85. Fans in Green Bay and Milwaukee are hating this trade, so that should tell you something. If he can give us a couple healthy years, along with the Fournette signing, that's a solid move by Beane. I'm sorry we didn't shore up LB, but we're still set up well for the future with Milano, Bernard and Williams who I think has high upside.

[Big Blitz]

The Packers secondary was legit good the last few seasons.  I haven’t followed them much this year because their team is boring and awful.  
 

But Douglas has to be a big reason why they’ve been very good.  
 

Last year v the Bills I thought in the 2nd half we didn’t move the ball well at all thru the air against them and Josh had 2 picks.  
 

 

For the D in order of preference I wanted a CB; saw that as the biggest need.  We have depth there again.  
 

Now is the pass rush going to be good?  Can we cover big TEs?  I have no idea but currently I’m very down on our front 6.  It’s Bernard Groot and Ed and that’s it.  Ed disappears vs good to great Guards.  And I think Groot is hurt.  I don’t understand how they’re using AJE.  I think it’s the same with him - vs very good to great tackles he’s invisible.  
 

The Bengals might only score 59 now with this move.  

[BillsFanForever19]

18 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Very good CB. Just for reference, his overall rating in Madden 24 is 85. Fans in Green Bay and Milwaukee are hating this trade, so that should tell you something. If he can give us a couple healthy years, along with the Fournette signing, that's a solid move by Beane. I'm sorry we didn't shore up LB, but we're still set up well for the future with Milano, Bernard and Williams who I think has high upside.

 

I just don't think there was a starting caliber LB that was available. If there were, the asking price was too high, as there wasn't a single LB moved league wide.

Edited November 1, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Punching Bag]

36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Very good CB. Just for reference, his overall rating in Madden 24 is 85. Fans in Green Bay and Milwaukee are hating this trade, so that should tell you something. If he can give us a couple healthy years, along with the Fournette signing, that's a solid move by Beane. I'm sorry we didn't shore up LB, but we're still set up well for the future with Milano, Bernard and Williams who I think has high upside.

 

Green Bay fans were very upset when Packers did not sign Hyde when he was a free agent.

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Not a bad deal for a good corner he’s solid. Recoup a pick so they have 10 in the next draft to move around. 
I still would loved a DT to stop the run but hey can’t have everything.

They did get Ankou back and I e seen word they have interest in bringing in Suh … we’ll see. Jones also tweeted ? ( X or whatever it is now) that “ I’ll be back” .. maybe he got good news on his injury timetable ? I doubt he tweets that if he’s out until next season 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

The Packers secondary was legit good the last few seasons.  I haven’t followed them much this year because their team is boring and awful.  
 

But Douglas has to be a big reason why they’ve been very good.  
 

Last year v the Bills I thought in the 2nd half we didn’t move the ball well at all thru the air against them and Josh had 2 picks.  
 

 

For the D in order of preference I wanted a CB; saw that as the biggest need.  We have depth there again.  
 

Now is the pass rush going to be good?  Can we cover big TEs?  I have no idea but currently I’m very down on our front 6.  It’s Bernard Groot and Ed and that’s it.  Ed disappears vs good to great Guards.  And I think Groot is hurt.  I don’t understand how they’re using AJE.  I think it’s the same with him - vs very good to great tackles he’s invisible.  
 

The Bengals might only score 59 now with this move.  

59 ? Their season high was 34 Vs Arizona. More recently 17 vs SEA and 31 vs SF - even there they had 17 thru 3 quarters before Purdy melted down with turnovers in the 4th. They’re looking better than they started off the year but let’s be serious. 

[John from Riverside]

Douglas is basically white after the acl injury recovered

[Doc Brown]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Douglas is basically white after the acl injury recovered

Nope.  He's still black.

[Punching Bag]

2023 NFL trade deadline: Who are the biggest winners and losers?

https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-nfl-trade-deadline-who-are-the-biggest-winners-and-losers

by Judy Battista, Senior National Columnist

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Buffalo Bills: They got cornerback Rasul Douglas from the Packers, a critical addition to a defense that has been battered by injuries, including to cornerback Tre’Davious White, who is out for the season with an Achilles tear. Given teams coming up on the schedule for the remainder of the regular season -- the Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers and Dolphins – shoring up the pass defense was a must.

 

Smallest writeup on all of the trades that day.

[SoMAn]

12 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

The answer is no.

I'm 100% convinced people here only watch the bills

 

Mostly true. Always watch the Bills and occasionally catch other games, but I can’t sit on a sofa all weekend watching movies and sports. Not into fantasy football or gambling. So no, I don’t have much knowledge of second tier players on other teams. For me, there’s more to life than spending hours as a passive observer. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Is Rasul Douglas even gonna be a starter immediately?

[HIT BY SPIKES]

I like interceptions by our D.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Is Rasul Douglas even gonna be a starter immediately?

With any other team I’d stay yeah. Remember the way we messed around with Hines last year? Might as well not even done that trade then he got hurt this year. I hope they just let Douglas get in there but I doubt they will. We are very strange with roster management. I’d like to see both he and Fournette immediately but I’m expecting to be disappointed with usage. Hoping to be wrong.

[LyndonvilleBill]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

With any other team I’d stay yeah. Remember the way we messed around with Hines last year? Might as well not even done that trade then he got hurt this year. I hope they just let Douglas get in there but I doubt they will. We are very strange with roster management. I’d like to see both he and Fournette immediately but I’m expecting to be disappointed with usage. Hoping to be wrong.

I can see why they hold back on the O, but have they held back on the D side? Trying to remember the last time they brought in someone on D during the season and didn't play them.🤔

[RunTheBall]

Very solid move. There is nothing to dislike about this.

 

Good zone corner, will start sooner rather than later, hates to lose. Cost the equivalent of a 4th, that’s not a lot for a starting CB.

 

I love Tre, I don’t think he’s coming back. He was a head case after the ACL now has a second season ender never mind he’s getting up there age wise. This gives us some CB insurance for a couple years while either Elam wakes up or we develop another CB.

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

58 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Is Rasul Douglas even gonna be a starter immediately?

I assume once he learns the defense.  May take a couple of weeks.  I expect him and Benford to be the two starters with Jackson being the backup.  Also can kick inside if god forbid something happens to T. Johnson.  I would've preferred a true shutdown #1 CB.  That's nearly impossible to find at the trade deadline though but he's a great consolation prize.

[LyndonvilleBill]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I assume once he learns the defense.  May take a couple of weeks.  I expect him and Benford to be the two starters with Jackson being the backup.  Also can kick inside if god forbid something happens to T. Johnson.  I would've preferred a true shutdown #1 CB.  That's nearly impossible to find at the trade deadline though but he's a great consolation prize.

He's also big enough and has the ability to drop back to Saftey next season if Elam figures it out. Options, options,  options.  I like it!

[John from Riverside]

58 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

With any other team I’d stay yeah. Remember the way we messed around with Hines last year? Might as well not even done that trade then he got hurt this year. I hope they just let Douglas get in there but I doubt they will. We are very strange with roster management. I’d like to see both he and Fournette immediately but I’m expecting to be disappointed with usage. Hoping to be wrong.

Now way are they giving up the third round pick for a guy that they’re not going to be running very soon

[metbill]

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

 

And technically it’s Douglas and a fifth for a third. That fifth should tip the scales for some. I don’t know where else we’d find a legit vet starter for less. He’s only 28 so even Madden dummies must know that starter + being under 30 is going to cost a bit. Had we shopped around a 6th for some 32 year old vet we all know the complaints would be about the age.

 

 

So, is he 28 or 29?  On all the releases from the Bills side of things, he is 28.  I have read quite a few releases from the Packers side, including the sound bite from their GM where they claim he turned 29 this past August.

[Punching Bag]

18 minutes ago, metbill said:

So, is he 28 or 29?  On all the releases from the Bills side of things, he is 28.  I have read quite a few releases from the Packers side, including the sound bite from their GM where they claim he turned 29 this past August.

 

https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=08&d1=29&y1=1995&m2=11&d2=1&y2=2023

From and including: Tuesday, August 29, 1995
To, but not including Wednesday, November 1, 2023

Result: 10,291 days

It is 10,291 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date.

Or 28 years, 2 months, 3 days excluding the end date.

 

Whoever manages calendar add his birthday to it.

[stlbills13]

Douglas is a good player and a good fit. He upgrades the secondary. He also has a nose for the ball clearly.

 

I'm not saying he needs to play 90% of the snaps this week but I really hope they get him on the field Sunday night. He can be a factor against that pass offense even on a short week of prep with a new team. 

[Big Blitz]

6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

59 ? Their season high was 34 Vs Arizona. More recently 17 vs SEA and 31 vs SF - even there they had 17 thru 3 quarters before Purdy melted down with turnovers in the 4th. They’re looking better than they started off the year but let’s be serious. 

 

I prefer a little hyperbole every now and then