MikeSpeed Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I hate starting topics, and I'm not sure if this was already discussed if so feel free to remove this if it has. I was watching Diggs during the game and if we are running the ball he never moves. Now he had a great game, but if I am a D coordinator I would let my guys know not to bite on the play fake if he's running because it's going to be a pass. I'd have the corner that's covering him to be yelling pass the second he starts running. I'm not trying to stir up anything and this could very well be a non-issue. I was just pointing out what I saw. 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 shhhhhhhhhh 1 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) I'm not sure if this mean anything or not, but I hear that teams will do things to put out tape that show different tendencies. I haven't watched for this specifically so I can't say one way or another. Good catch. Â Edited October 4, 2023 by Goin Breakdown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Maybe it's a set up for a playaction Diggs Go route? TO THE HOUSE!!! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 if you are a D coordinator telling your guys not to move on a play fake you will be out of a job 1 2 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 I never said I would tell my guys not to move, just not to believe it's a run if Diggs is running. For all I know it's like the guys above said Maybe they are setting up the Jags for a big play this weekend by showing a "fake" tendency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I've seen this too. I can always tell when it's a run away from him.  The one thing about Diggs game I'm not a fan of 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: I hate starting topics, and I'm not sure if this was already discussed if so feel free to remove this if it has. I was watching Diggs during the game and if we are running the ball he never moves. Now he had a great game, but if I am a D coordinator I would let my guys know not to bite on the play fake if he's running because it's going to be a pass. I'd have the corner that's covering him to be yelling pass the second he starts running. I'm not trying to stir up anything and this could very well be a non-issue. I was just pointing out what I saw. Â LBs are not going to be looking outside at Stefon Diggs at the snap. And having a corner yell something at them is not going to work. 3 8 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 wideouts since time immemorial have been doing this  it's not exploitable 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 The amount of time it takes you to realize that Diggs isn't moving and to yell out "Pass" or whatever, the play fake has already happened and the defenders have either bitten or not. Â The only regrettable thing about this is that Diggs is not participating in run blocking, which usually does not matter much when you are way out wide. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: wideouts since time immemorial have been doing this  it's not exploitable  Yes. You won't know until the ball is snapped, then it's too late. Most plays develop too quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: Â LBs are not going to be looking outside at Stefon Diggs at the snap. And having a corner yell something at them is not going to work. 'hey guys this guy isnt moving! run play' Â 'wait no now hes moving! never mind! pass play!' 3 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Fleezoid said: Â Yes. You won't know until the ball is snapped, then it's too late. Most plays develop too quickly. That's good to know. Carry on then... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) So this was a little funny lol. He gets pushed by the DB when he was walking and not paying attention. Â Â Edited October 4, 2023 by Royale with Cheese 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: I'm not sure if this mean anything or not, but I hear that teams will do things to put out tape that show different tendencies. I haven't watched for this specifically so I can't say one way or another. Good catch. Â Â Dorsey intentionally did things against Miami that went away from the tendencies they showed the first 3 games...the first TD pass to Davis off the fake swing to Cook was one of those. 2 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So this was a little funny lol. He gets pushed by the DB when he wasn’t paying attention.   I like how the DB isn't remotely keyed into the running play coming towards him either. Him and Diggs might as well have been on separate planets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Â Dorsey intentionally did things against Miami that went away from the tendencies they showed the first 3 games...the first TD pass to Davis off the fake swing to Cook was one of those. The entire season is just one long ass game of chess 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: I like how the DB isn't remotely keyed into the running play coming towards him either. Him and Diggs might as well have been on separate planets.  I bet they were jawing at each other all game and focused on that during run plays. Pass plays, game on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: I never said I would tell my guys not to move, just not to believe it's a run if Diggs is running. For all I know it's like the guys above said Maybe they are setting up the Jags for a big play this weekend by showing a "fake" tendency. Yea maybe they have a delayed screen pass to Diggs once they bite on a fake run hsndoff.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, AuntieEm said: Yea maybe they have a delayed screen pass to Diggs once they bite on a fake run hsndoff.  that's just not how DBs are taught to play tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It’s better that Diggs is standing still on running plays than Cody Ford standing still on every play. 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: that's just not how DBs are taught to play tho Well I also don't think dbd are taught to bite on fake cuts Diggs uses to gain space and Allen and Diggs always seem to be in sync.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, AuntieEm said: Well I also don't think dbd are taught to bite on fake cuts Diggs uses to gain space and Allen and Diggs always seem to be in sync.  im saying at the snap as a corner you would never be looking into the backfield, that's suicide 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 If he's split out wide and the action is in the middle, there really isn't much for him to do. The DB in coverage isn't going to be able to make much of a play on it, and theres 10 other defenders nearer the ball so he probably would rather save his juice for covering diggs. If the run action is outside, then obviously get up field and throw a block.   I suppose he could run a "route" but wouldn't you rather him save that kind of thing for when we are calling pass plays?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: wideouts since time immemorial have been doing this  it's not exploitable  Play nice. He has spent a long time thinking this up. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I put this in the category of Bruce Smith’s practice schedule 1985-1999. He’s earned the right to do whatever he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: I put this in the category of Bruce Smith’s practice schedule 1985-1999. He’s earned the right to do whatever he wants. Yea never hurt he took off preseason much of the time but when real games came he was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, MikeSpeed said: I never said I would tell my guys not to move, just not to believe it's a run if Diggs is running. For all I know it's like the guys above said Maybe they are setting up the Jags for a big play this weekend by showing a "fake" tendency. Are you under the impression that the D front is looking at Diggs when the ball is snapped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 38 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: I've seen this too. I can always tell when it's a run away from him.  The one thing about Diggs game I'm not a fan of Thanks for the heads up....Love, Ken Dorsey 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 And if Davis goes in motion and stops near the tackle it’s a run as well.  We telegraph plays way to much 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I mean, it's not like dlineman and LBs (to some extent) can just watch Diggs when the ball is snapped. They have to be looking in the backfield and at what the oline is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Diggs also stands still on passing plays. I'm rewatching the Miami game now.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Josh is lazy and doesn’t study film 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: And if Davis goes in motion and stops near the tackle it’s a run as well.  We telegraph plays way to much We usually run but we’ve also playfake out of that too.   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 If the running play is away from him, I have no issue with him getting some wind and burning his route on the next play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said:  Dorsey intentionally did things against Miami that went away from the tendencies they showed the first 3 games...the first TD pass to Davis off the fake swing to Cook was one of those. This play has been in the playbook since Allen’s rookie season. He threw a TD to an obscure TE off this same design when we beat Minnesota in the ‘Barr Leap’ game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukestreetking Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: So this was a little funny lol. He gets pushed by the DB when he was walking and not paying attention. Â Â Â Whoa. Â See also, btw, on GD touchdown: Kinkaid accidentally dumps Murray, ass-over-teakettle, as they cross routes. Â Gotta clean that up boys. Edited October 4, 2023 by Dukestreetking Not Cook 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Diggs actually has a higher run block grade than Gabe Davis. Davis is grading out as the worst run blocker of the regulars. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) It’s not the end of the world, but ideally he’d be blocking on running plays. Obviously if the play is wide to his side, but also for plays to the middle or even the other side of the field. He should be looking for a deep safety or other downfield player in case the run breaks. WRs blocking downfield are often the difference between a long run and a long TD. Edited October 5, 2023 by vincec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Diggs doesn't use his mouthguard - every play, it's dangling from his facemask. I think he's trying to hypnotize the DBs with it. Â Â Â Â 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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