The 2023 - ??? Edmunds Report

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Again, you need to think about that logic a bit.  I'm not a member of the "MLB don't matter any more" club, butwe all know that QB is the most important player on the team, pass rusher next.  Supply and demand says there aren't enough of either, so teams reach and teams pay guys who are "OK".

 

MLB is not a position like "best QB" or "best pass rusher" where teams are going to pay "market value no matter what", but getting a 5th year option picked up and then huge $$ on the free market for a 2nd contract means a player, any player, was a successful draft pick at a position of significance.

It's not logical to suggest that getting a huge FA 2nd contract means the player wasn't worth that 1st round pick.

He got his fifth year option picked up because the Bills didn’t want to sign him to a long-term deal lol.

 

Again, if MLB isn’t a position you’d pay, then it’s not worth a first round pick. Neither is guard. Bad picks in the first. 

9 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

It’s not the unrealized potential that pits Bills fans against Edmunds, it’s the divisive discussion about what he brings to the defense.
 

If everyone here unanimously (or even mostly) believed Edmunds was a solid yet unspectacular linebacker, there wouldn’t be threads started about him, nor would there be arguments about what a poster’s own eyes are telling them. Edmunds was described in many ways like Star Lotuleile, another divisive player, and the common thread/argument between the two was that both made plays all game long, it just didn’t register on the stat sheet. When you have some telling others what they’re seeing is wrong, then you get a divisive player. In that situation it feels like people are salty toward the player but in actuality they’re salty toward the heated arguments and want nothing more than to be proven right. 

Man you’re right.
 

I hate that people that want nothing more than to be proven right. It just beats a dead horse for no reason at all. Inexplicable. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Billl said:

And he had 7 TFLs on the season.  Edmunds had 2 in week 1 alone.  Edmunds played well against GB.  Don’t know what else to tell you.  Again, sorry the fact that he doesn’t suck causes such grief around this fan base.  Not sure what he ever did to malign so many Bills fans but whatever it was, I’m sure Terrell Bernard will do better.

 

 

He doesn't have to suck.   He was promoted as a potential Brian Urlacher 2.0 when drafted by the Bills and when that didn't ever come close to happening the narrative switched to "well, he's really good and you guys just don't understand his impact".

 

The reality is that he doesn't make plays.   Couple TFL's in the run game is nice........but it's about the lowest rung on the playmaker ladder for a LB and I wouldn't expect that to continue(though he should lead the NFL in tackles on a defense that may play the most snaps of any defense in football).

 

Here are some staggering stats for Tremaine:

 

He went a season where he blitzed 76 times without creating a single pressure. 

 

He hasn't forced a fumble since early in his rookie season........about 70 games ago.  

 

He strung together back-to-back seasons with over 100 passer rating against while his defenders insisted that teams were afraid to throw in his area.  

 

He had something of a breakout season last year.........but still no plays.........the switch has just never fully gone on for him and at $18M aav that's a problem for the Bears and a bullet dodged by the Bills.    In limited time in the preseason the past two years and a couple games this season the largely uninspiring prospect Bernard has already shown a far greater nose for the football.

 

And mind you.........I loved the Edmunds pick.   Thought Tremaine would make a great, rangy edge rusher........basically replace the highly impactful Lorenzo Alexander in the Bills defense but allow them to play more 3 LB sets with his superior athleticism........a game changing talent.  

 

Being a solid player,  but with clear weaknesses, at a devalued position was NOT a good result.

 

I am also of the belief that he will be back in Buffalo at a fraction of the cost in a couple years and the narrative will turn from "he's a rising star just coming into his own" to "he's going back to where he had his most success". 

[Lane Meyer K12]

He was a prospect that ultimately did not play out. When drafted he was young and physically impressive. His instincts were never good and after all is said and done, he never had the nose for the football or the wherewithal to make big plays (at least to date).

It is really early in the season, but the Bills may actually be better off without him in the lineup.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out as the season goes on. 

[corta765]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Yeah that makes total sense lol. If you drafted the best QB in the NFL, you would pay him market value no matter what. Good pick. If you drafted the best pass rusher in the NFL, you would pay him market value no matter what. Good pick. If you draft a “solid” ILB, they will get overpaid by some garbage franchise and aren’t enough of a difference maker to be worth paying. Bad pick.

See above.

 

But that is not the same equation and value in the NFL is determined entirely different per position. Right now after QB the most premium positions in the NFL would be DE/Pass Rushing LB, LT, CB, & WR. A MLB that is not a pass rusher fails in value comparatively to other spots. The Bills literally have paid all of those positions I listed and Edmunds got squeezed out. They clearly gambled last year he would stay at the level he had and instead he had such a good year the market priced him out of what Buffalo could afford. This isn't an apples to apples thing when it comes to money and position of player. Again as I said originally at draft he had the physical tools of an All Pro LB and most GMs would be willing to try that. He certainly was decent to good so it wasn't any failure just economics of a sport with a hard cap and a team that has maxed out its credit card.

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

But that is not the same equation and value in the NFL is determined entirely different per position. Right now after QB the most premium positions in the NFL would be DE/Pass Rushing LB, LT, CB, & WR. A MLB that is not a pass rusher fails in value comparatively to other spots. The Bills literally have paid all of those positions I listed and Edmunds got squeezed out. They clearly gambled last year he would stay at the level he had and instead he had such a good year the market priced him out of what Buffalo could afford. This isn't an apples to apples thing when it comes to money and position of player. Again as I said originally at draft he had the physical tools of an All Pro LB and most GMs would be willing to try that. He certainly was decent to good so it wasn't any failure just economics of a sport with a hard cap and a team that has maxed out its credit card.

When Edmunds was drafted, the Bills didn’t have Von Miller, or Greg Rousseau or Stefon Diggs lol. That’s the point. We could have built the team differently. 
 

Not to mention, no team has ever complained about having two great edge rushers or two great receivers.

 

It was predictable that Edmunds would get priced out 5 years down the road because OF HIS POSITION. Because he doesn’t play a big money position so we will have to pay big money at those positions and then not want to pay him. You are acting like there was no way to know they wouldn’t throw money at a devalued position.

 

You can try to draft with a vision for the future. In fact, it’s what good GM’s do. And that’s why the trade up for him was a bad pick. A predictable loss, and a ten to twelve year investment was cut in half. Bad.

 

Would Jaire Alexander still be on this team? Would DJ Moore still be on this team? The answer is yes to both and you know it. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by FireChans

[Nephilim17]

One final Edmunds report? 

 

That's like a crackhead asking his dealer for one final hit.

[Haslett_Stomp]

Is Donte Whitner still in the league?  I haven't seen anyone post on him in awhile.

[corta765]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

When Edmunds was drafted, the Bills didn’t have Von Miller, or Greg Rousseau or Stefon Diggs lol. That’s the point. We could have built the team differently. 
 

Not to mention, no team has ever complained about having two great edge rushers or two great receivers.

 

It was predictable that Edmunds would get priced out 5 years down the road because OF HIS POSITION. Because he doesn’t play a big money position so we will have to pay big money at those positions and then not want to pay him. You are acting like there was no way to know they wouldn’t throw money at a devalued position.

 

You can try to draft with a vision for the future. In fact, it’s what good GM’s do. And that’s why the trade up for him was a bad pick. A predictable loss, and a ten to twelve year investment was cut in half. Bad.

 

Would Jaire Alexander still be on this team? Would DJ Moore still be on this team? The answer is yes to both and you know it. 

 

Correct and the league has changed from 5 years ago also. In 2018 4 LBs were drafted rnd 1, last two years just four in the 1st rnd. No one is disagreeing that these days a MLB is replaceable for the most part unless they are beast pass rusher.

 

The amount of arm chair GMs like yourself is hilarious. They have done the data and most GM's hit on a 1/3rd of their picks at best long term meaning that even getting a quality starter forget pro bowl all pro is pretty good and if you hit on a few drafts big time odds are you will have a few average or less down the road. Saying it was a bad pick is just stupid, say you didn't like Edmunds and move on because otherwise he was a solid 5 year starter on a defense that has been in the top 5-10 the entirety of it. I am sure Beane and McD wish Edmunds maxed into the player he did because his tools looked like a do it all LB with sacks/coverage/etc and the economics worked in a way that would've kept him here. If your going to draft a LB 1st rnd he is the type of profile you want to go for because of the physical tools. It is not predictable by any means drafting any player because our QB was the most doubted of the 2018 draft heading into it and he turned into the best of the bunch. TJ Watt was drafted 30th, was he not worth being drafted because he was a LB even at 30? If GMs had the ability to be perfect none would be fired and every team would be loaded. The is room to say Edmunds was a fine starter for 5 years who helped the Bills a lot but you wished he maxed into the full potential he has so paying him max money wasn't a question. That is 100% reasonable and accurate view of the situation.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

Correct and the league has changed from 5 years ago also. In 2018 4 LBs were drafted rnd 1, last two years just four in the 1st rnd. No one is disagreeing that these days a MLB is replaceable for the most part unless they are beast pass rusher.

 

The amount of arm chair GMs like yourself is hilarious. They have done the data and most GM's hit on a 1/3rd of their picks at best long term meaning that even getting a quality starter forget pro bowl all pro is pretty good and if you hit on a few drafts big time odds are you will have a few average or less down the road. Saying it was a bad pick is just stupid, say you didn't like Edmunds and move on because otherwise he was a solid 5 year starter on a defense that has been in the top 5-10 the entirety of it. I am sure Beane and McD wish Edmunds maxed into the player he did because his tools looked like a do it all LB with sacks/coverage/etc and the economics worked in a way that would've kept him here. If your going to draft a LB 1st rnd he is the type of profile you want to go for because of the physical tools. It is not predictable by any means drafting any player because our QB was the most doubted of the 2018 draft heading into it and he turned into the best of the bunch. TJ Watt was drafted 30th, was he not worth being drafted because he was a LB even at 30? If GMs had the ability to be perfect none would be fired and every team would be loaded. The is room to say Edmunds was a fine starter for 5 years who helped the Bills a lot but you wished he maxed into the full potential he has so paying him max money wasn't a question. That is 100% reasonable and accurate view of the situation.

You just can’t grasp the difference between strategy vs results and that’s the disconnect. Honestly, lots of GM’s and TBDers can’t either.

 

Again, DJ Moore and Jaire Alexander would still be Bills today.

Edited September 20, 2023 by FireChans

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

30 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said:

Is Donte Whitner still in the league?  I haven't seen anyone post on him in awhile.

 

what, are you trying to summon officer Bill?

 

[corta765]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You just can’t grasp the difference between strategy vs results and that’s the disconnect. Honestly, lots of GM’s and TBDers can’t either.

 

Again, DJ Moore and Jaire Alexander would still be Bills today.

 

I am not disagreeing with strategy, I am disagreeing that a perfect plan is possible or predictable heading into every draft. For the record I am not even arguing that Edmunds was worth moving for as they could've just had two picks instead and to me the draft is partially the ultimate lottery so the more picks the better. I am with you on that more than against it. My simple point is Edmunds was not some grand failure and the answer on what he was/is lies in the middle. I would also argue IF you were going to draft a LB you do it for a guy who was as young and freakishly talented physically.

 

On a different note the 2018 draft was loaded across the board that year and it is pretty wild looking at how many quality starters emerged from that draft.

[Capco]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

Again, if MLB isn’t a position you’d pay, then it’s not worth a first round pick. Neither is guard. Bad picks in the first. 

I get your point generally I think.  But if going strictly by that logic, then Quenton Nelson and Luke Kueckly were bad draft picks.  

It's not about what position they play as much as it's about how much they are worth.  Guys like Nelson and Kueckly are guys you pay.  Period.  

Do I think Edmunds belongs in the NFL as a starting MLB?  Absolutely.  Do I think he's worth as much as he was paid?  No, but I do think he's good enough to be worth ~$10mil per year.  I would've loved to have him back at that price, but I'm also glad we are not paying him what Chicago is.

Edited September 20, 2023 by Capco

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, FLFan said:

Yes, and just as childish.  I think it might be time to move on.  He does not play for us anymore.  

…or don’t click on a thread you have no interest in.  I for one would like to know how Edmunds is doing with Chicago. 

[34-78-83]

Edmunds is a good player, but not a great player. He priced himself out of Buffalo with his FA market value. That's all, plain and simple. There's really nothing more to it. Those that claim he sucked are wrong and those that thought he was a true year after year pro bowl type player are wrong as well.

[Steve O]

On 8/27/2023 at 10:23 AM, Augie said:

He is making about $18 Million more than I am this year. You can call me any names you want for that. 😋

since he's making 22 million this year I'd say you're doing quite nicely as well (disclaimer: this thread is 15 pages long, this was posted almost a month ago, I didn't check to see if this has already been posted. Apologies if I'm being redundant.)

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I am not disagreeing with strategy, I am disagreeing that a perfect plan is possible or predictable heading into every draft. For the record I am not even arguing that Edmunds was worth moving for as they could've just had two picks instead and to me the draft is partially the ultimate lottery so the more picks the better. I am with you on that more than against it. My simple point is Edmunds was not some grand failure and the answer on what he was/is lies in the middle. I would also argue IF you were going to draft a LB you do it for a guy who was as young and freakishly talented physically.

 

On a different note the 2018 draft was loaded across the board that year and it is pretty wild looking at how many quality starters emerged from that draft.

It was still a bad pick. I didn’t call it a grand failure, but when, as you said, it’s ultimately a lotto ticket, maximizing your hits and minimizing your misses is the only way to go. Which is why it was a bad pick. Because it didn’t do that. Even if Edmunds was a better player for 4 years and still got priced out, it would’ve been bad. The only way it would’ve been a good pick is if Edmunds was the best LB in the NFL for a decade. And even then, it would be about the result, not the strategy.

[FireChans]

32 minutes ago, Capco said:

I get your point generally I think.  But if going strictly by that logic, then Quenton Nelson and Luke Kueckly were bad draft picks.  

It's not about what position they play as much as it's about how much they are worth.  Guys like Nelson and Kueckly are guys you pay.  Period.  

Do I think Edmunds belongs in the NFL as a starting MLB?  Absolutely.  Do I think he's worth as much as he was paid?  No, but I do think he's good enough to be worth ~$10mil per year.  I would've loved to have him back at that price, but I'm also glad we are not paying him what Chicago is.

Quentin Nelson probably WAS a bad draft pick, strategically. Great player. HoF player. but what has that resulted in?

Luke Kuechly same thing. Great player. HoF. But he’s been sitting on the couch for a few years. You know who isn’t? Fletcher Cox, interior rusher. He’s played in two Super Bowls. Hell, even Gilmore is still playing.

 

ILB guys don’t play at a high level for 12 years. They are the defensive equivalent of running backs. And just because some are great and some have success and some win Super Bowls, doesn’t make it good strategy. The Chiefs took CEH over Tee Higgins. Terrible pick, terrible strategy. They won the Super Bowl again anyway. doesn’t mean the pick wasn’t still bad.
 

 

[ngbills]

The funny thing about this board is everything has to be extreme. The Bills did not sign Edmunds so he has to suck, be worse than Bernard, Bears are stupid, etc. It cant be that he is a good player, the Bills would have love to keep him, just were not wanting to spend $20M on him or any MLB. If they signed him we would still have an anti-Edmunds group but many that now say he is not worth the money or Bernard is fine would be celebrating how we got him for less than Roquan Smith. Its ok for him to be good and not be on the Bills anymore. 

[gobills404]

Day in the life of @FireChans

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Day in the life of @FireChans

Lmao

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Moss looked good. I was surprised it was him, but he looks like a solid NFL back right now

He was never less than that here, but he got dinged up a lot and never had any quality that made him stand out.  He was running behind a garbage line, in a pass first offense, with an equally talented, yet slightly more exciting back as competition to start.   I think a HEALTHY Moss, in a scheme that lets him get in the flow of the game, can be a good back.  He doesn’t have super elite traits, but he’s by all accounts a hard worker, with a lot of knowledge of the game.   Being real, he’s one of the top 64 athletes in the world at the position, he has talent, he just needs better circumstances than the truly unique guys.  Given the opportunity, I see no reason he couldn’t be a consistent 1000 yard guy.  He’s got average speed, good size, good power, average hands and average vision.  That’s enough to make a career of it.  
 

Keep in mind, the Bills are running the ball more and better this year, not because of the backs nearly as much as because the scheme and the line are more geared to it.  Cook sure wasn’t this good last year, you know both of the back-ups have mid-level ceilings and they are all getting some pretty good chunk yards. The difference between Cook’s explosiveness vs Motor is noticeable, but the first step and vision aren’t much different, Cook can just take it to the house where DS was going to get caught. 

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

The funny thing about this board is everything has to be extreme. The Bills did not sign Edmunds so he has to suck, be worse than Bernard, Bears are stupid, etc. It cant be that he is a good player, the Bills would have love to keep him, just were not wanting to spend $20M on him or any MLB. If they signed him we would still have an anti-Edmunds group but many that now say he is not worth the money or Bernard is fine would be celebrating how we got him for less than Roquan Smith. Its ok for him to be good and not be on the Bills anymore. 

This has a lot of merit.  He had his best year in the contract year, good for him.  He still is more potential/hype than production, but maybe he will have the right opportunity to convert some of that to production for the Bears.  Now, to me, the Bears are idiots to ditch Roquon over money and sign Edmunds to that deal, but that’s their problem.

[Buffalo03]

On 8/27/2023 at 10:58 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

So glad we didn't pay him

When we extended Oliver, at first I was like "I would have rather given that money to Edmunds". After seeing how Oliver has played through 2 games, I'm glad I was wrong about that

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

When we extended Oliver, at first I was like "I would have rather given that money to Edmunds". After seeing how Oliver has played through 2 games, I'm glad I was wrong about that

The issue with Oliver is he's streaky. He needs to show it over extended periods in a season, not flashes.

[Bill from NYC]

Wait, hold on a sec.....Do all of the above posts indicate that despite the heat he took, @BADOLBILZ was actually "right" about Edmunds for the last few years?

 

Never mind, that's impossible, right?

 

Carry on.

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

The issue with Oliver is he's streaky. He needs to show it over extended periods in a season, not flashes.

I agree. I'm hoping it was just a defensive issue. The D seems to be much better pressure wise under Mc D than it did with Frazier. I'm hoping he can thrive in the change

[Virgil]

Has anyone trolled the Chicago boards to see how they feel Edmunds is doing?  I imagine all the focus is on Fields, but I would still be curious

[34-78-83]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Wait, hold on a sec.....Do all of the above posts indicate that despite the heat he took, @BADOLBILZ was actually "right" about Edmunds for the last few years?

 

Never mind, that's impossible, right?

 

Carry on.

He was most definitely right, but for some reason (I know bc I was one of them too) MANY presumed he meant that Edmunds was a poor player judging by the pile on effects that would happen around these posts you speak of for the last few years, but that's not what he was saying. 

[Brand J]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Has anyone trolled the Chicago boards to see how they feel Edmunds is doing?  I imagine all the focus is on Fields, but I would still be curious

Someone had linked Edmunds posts a few days back. It’s going about how you probably think it is. Fans questioning the amount of money he signed for, asking where’s the impact, saying he’s a clear downgrade from Roquan, etc. One of the comments I laughed at went something like “I know he’s supposed to be a coverage linebacker, but what or who is he covering exactly?” 😂 We need some Bills fans to go over there and troll them with “he’s making a difference, you all just can’t see it and don’t know what you’re watching.” I’m sure that would ignite the fires even more. 

[Thrivefourfive]

The Bears have Fields and Edmunds! Field Generals on both sides of the ball!! Blah

 

Edmunds was an okay pick. He started and played above average…all things considered, for a number of years. And the team won. It just didn’t work out long term. It happens sometimes. I’m glad he’s not an over paid Bill.

 

Comparing him to the entire Chiefs team winning the Super Bowl x2 is… um… funny. 

Time to move on from Edmunds. He wasn’t a bad guy. He’s from a football family. I’m not sure what’s to go on and on about here. 
 

The pick had all the best intentions, and was actually serviceable in a very important way. So far from a bust anyway you look at. 

[GaryPinC]

17 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Dude. My god. A) it was 35 yards and b) #53 was covering him, not Edmunds. Hate Edmunds all you want, but please, please don’t make stuff up out of whole cloth to advance a pretty friggin’ dumb crusade built out of misguided spite. It’s unbecoming, as all crusades are. Material evidence: 

.

 

Review your material evidence more closely.  In particular, watch the replay.  Look where Edmunds lines up.  3 receivers to the right.  Ball is snapped, Love's eyes drift right for a second, which Edmunds reads and shifts slightly right to cover the developing post pattern.  So far so good.  Love then swings his eyes left, plants slightly left and hits the left slant pattern.  At these exact moments, Edmunds inexplicably over-commits to covering a pattern farther right,  clearing out and opening up the zone Aaron Jones trucks through for the TD.  Even though the QB and running back were both showing left.

 

This is your high paid, veteran, stud MLB stupidly taking himself out of the play.  Jordan Love would have had to seriously pivot right to open his body up for a pass that direction and he never did that.  His eye fake wasn't even very good, but Edmunds has no instincts for the game.  He couldn't even catch up in pursuit he took himself out so badly.  

 

A most likely outcome of this play should have been Jones gets the completion and Edmunds tackles him for a short/moderate gain.  But thanks to Edmunds, it wasn't.

 

Firechans isn't making things up, he is right.  You are wrong.  This is a great example why many of us don't respect Edmunds as a top-paid linebacker.  I hope you try to see the complexities of the game more.  

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Review your material evidence more closely.  In particular, watch the replay.  Look where Edmunds lines up.  3 receivers to the right.  Ball is snapped, Love's eyes drift right for a second, which Edmunds reads and shifts slightly right to cover the developing post pattern.  So far so good.  Love then swings his eyes left, plants slightly left and hits the left slant pattern.  At these exact moments, Edmunds inexplicably over-commits to covering a pattern farther right,  clearing out and opening up the zone Aaron Jones trucks through for the TD.  Even though the QB and running back were both showing left.

 

This is your high paid, veteran, stud MLB stupidly taking himself out of the play.  Jordan Love would have had to seriously pivot right to open his body up for a pass that direction and he never did that.  His eye fake wasn't even very good, but Edmunds has no instincts for the game.  He couldn't even catch up in pursuit he took himself out so badly.  

 

A most likely outcome of this play should have been Jones gets the completion and Edmunds tackles him for a short/moderate gain.  But thanks to Edmunds, it wasn't.

 

Firechans isn't making things up, he is right.  You are wrong.  This is a great example why many of us don't respect Edmunds as a top-paid linebacker.  I hope you try to see the complexities of the game more.  

Um, no. #53 is supposed to cover Jones regardless. He failed. We also have no idea how the Bears' coaches were directing Edmunds to play in that formation. WRs are usually a greater threat than RBs, so maybe he was directed to shade toward that? I don't know, and neither do you. What we do know is that a) contra the original claim, it wasn't a 75-yard TD completion, and b) the person eating dust at the end and cursing himself for his poor coverage of Jones was not Tremaine Edmunds. Everything else is guesswork because we have no idea how the defense was being directed to deal with that formation. We also know that Aaron Jones averaged 6.7 yards per reception last season, so it could be the case that going into the game he was viewed as a standard-issue dump-off option that was less of a threat in the grand scheme of things than the receivers. 

 

I am not sure I am right about this possible scenario, but I am sure that you don't know for sure either. That's why all of this feels to me like yet another installment in what is a pretty dumb crusade against a player who had a good season for the Bills last year.  

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

6 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Day in the life of @FireChans

Simply amazing

[BillsfaninSB]

Can we get a thread going for Devon Singletary?

[bigduke6]

wasnt upset when Edmunds left tbh.   dont hate him,  didnt love him when he was here but he was fine.   ive been watching the Bears games and he's exactly what he was here.   a space eater who plays soft,  has little actual instincts.   i had a discussion with a coupla Bears fans when they landed him,  warned them that you're not going to see him making impact plays.   if the D doesnt use him correctly he wont do anything.  hes a very good zone LB on passing downs,  bout it.   run instincts are terrible,  and he cannot rush the passer, and absolutely cannot use leverage on tackles.   get used to watching him fall backwards while tackling and making tackles past the 1st down marker.   glad he got paid,  glad it wasnt here.

[balln]

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

wasnt upset when Edmunds left tbh.   dont hate him,  didnt love him when he was here but he was fine.   ive been watching the Bears games and he's exactly what he was here.   a space eater who plays soft,  has little actual instincts.   i had a discussion with a coupla Bears fans when they landed him,  warned them that you're not going to see him making impact plays.   if the D doesnt use him correctly he wont do anything.  hes a very good zone LB on passing downs,  bout it.   run instincts are terrible,  and he cannot rush the passer, and absolutely cannot use leverage on tackles.   get used to watching him fall backwards while tackling and making tackles past the 1st down marker.   glad he got paid,  glad it wasnt here.

This x 1000

 

 

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

 

Review your material evidence more closely.  In particular, watch the replay.  Look where Edmunds lines up.  3 receivers to the right.  Ball is snapped, Love's eyes drift right for a second, which Edmunds reads and shifts slightly right to cover the developing post pattern.  So far so good.  Love then swings his eyes left, plants slightly left and hits the left slant pattern.  At these exact moments, Edmunds inexplicably over-commits to covering a pattern farther right,  clearing out and opening up the zone Aaron Jones trucks through for the TD.  Even though the QB and running back were both showing left.

 

This is your high paid, veteran, stud MLB stupidly taking himself out of the play.  Jordan Love would have had to seriously pivot right to open his body up for a pass that direction and he never did that.  His eye fake wasn't even very good, but Edmunds has no instincts for the game.  He couldn't even catch up in pursuit he took himself out so badly.  

 

A most likely outcome of this play should have been Jones gets the completion and Edmunds tackles him for a short/moderate gain.  But thanks to Edmunds, it wasn't.

 

Firechans isn't making things up, he is right.  You are wrong.  This is a great example why many of us don't respect Edmunds as a top-paid linebacker.  I hope you try to see the complexities of the game more.  

Nice breakdown/post buddy 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Um, no. #53 is supposed to cover Jones regardless. He failed. We also have no idea how the Bears' coaches were directing Edmunds to play in that formation. WRs are usually a greater threat than RBs, so maybe he was directed to shade toward that? I don't know, and neither do you. What we do know is that a) contra the original claim, it wasn't a 75-yard TD completion, and b) the person eating dust at the end and cursing himself for his poor coverage of Jones was not Tremaine Edmunds. Everything else is guesswork because we have no idea how the defense was being directed to deal with that formation. We also know that Aaron Jones averaged 6.7 yards per reception last season, so it could be the case that going into the game he was viewed as a standard-issue dump-off option that was less of a threat in the grand scheme of things than the receivers. 

 

I am not sure I am right about this possible scenario, but I am sure that you don't know for sure either. That's why all of this feels to me like yet another installment in what is a pretty dumb crusade against a player who had a good season for the Bills last year.  

Okay so maybe 53 is only supposed to cover Jones on the outside, and if he goes inside, Edmunds is supposed to take him. 
 

I mean, if we are allowed to just make up whatever we want about the play, let’s do it.

[Behindenemylines]

I think we can all agree on something first and foremost:  he ain’t a Bill so his play means crap to us

 

Second:  He was a physically gifted athlete who had virtually no football instincts and relied on his naturally born skills.  This is a huge limiting factor

 

third:  good for him he got paid by someone-has generational wealth and has changed his families financial trajectory for decades.   Whatever that may mean

 

Fourth: can put this to rest.  We should focus all of our angst and distaste against the dolphins Pats bengals and chiefs.     So

much more fun and productive.  
 

 

 

 

[Scott7975]

I mean... I coulda gave the Bears this guy for 12m a year

 

[ngbills]

21 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Someone had linked Edmunds posts a few days back. It’s going about how you probably think it is. Fans questioning the amount of money he signed for, asking where’s the impact, saying he’s a clear downgrade from Roquan, etc. One of the comments I laughed at went something like “I know he’s supposed to be a coverage linebacker, but what or who is he covering exactly?” 😂 We need some Bills fans to go over there and troll them with “he’s making a difference, you all just can’t see it and don’t know what you’re watching.” I’m sure that would ignite the fires even more. 

He has given up 9 yards on 5 receptions in coverage. That is less than 2 yards per