purple haze Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsfan4588 said: Color me confused. I'd understand if it was a discount, but that's top dollar. No it’s not. Like 4 DT’s just signed extensions this off-season at 21+ million per year. That’s top dollar. Oliver is getting middling money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: I think Ed would’ve had a big year playing for money… strikes me as that kindve personality/attitude. Can you explain what Ed Oliver has said or has done that makes you feel this way? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: blowing 7.5% of your cap on a chronic under-achiever just so you don't have to replace him is a complete loser mentality. It's not. Not by an stretch. Go out on the open market and sign another 3T and see what that costs. The top guys don't get out of their organizations. You have to draft them so keeping your own is usually the best way to go. With the salary cap increase in the next few years and probably an out on this contract in 3 years its not the big deal everyone is freaking out about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 It's good to see who the new whipping boy is now that Edmunds is gone. Great job Bills fans👏🏾 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Success said: It's important to note that if anyone who posts on this board was GM, we'd still be deep into the drought. No offense to anyone, of course. Well, if I were the GM we probably would have been disbanded by the rest of the owners due to complete incompetence. So you're welcome everybody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 https://media.tenor.com/SZbEhuQie7UAAAAM/sigh-ok.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 This is a very good move. He was stellar when he had Von there. The problem has been there has not been much help on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Augie said: Like the QB market, he is also “the most recent”. That matters. In that regard I think it’s a fair deal for all. yep.. some on here are just not realistic. is what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I’m genuinely surprised at the timing of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I like Ed. I think he is disruptive while playing within the defense. He has the ability and quickness to make splash plays like a Dareus or JJ Watt, but Oliver does his job and helps his team win. He has some flaws in his game at the point of attack and frankly there are times when he is asked to so to much. This is a small risk, but I for one am glad they are bringing him back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: 11th highest annual among DT. lol You realize that being “the most recent” is very important factor in judging a players ranking in terms of value, right? The most recent QB to sign a huge deal does not make him the best QB. It just means he got next man up money while the cap keeps rising. I have no problems with the $$$ for Ed as long as he stays healthy and plays to his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, Augie said: Like the QB market, he is also “the most recent”. That matters. In that regard I think it’s a fair deal for all. the point is.. you do not want to sit on a player that has a potential to blow up his prior years numbers and then you can not afford him.... (Cough Edmunds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Success said: It's important to note that if anyone who posts on this board was GM, we'd still be deep into the drought. No offense to anyone, of course. Does anyone who posts on the board have a staff of professional scouts to assist them on personnel decisions? Don't sell people short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearstobills Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: It's not. Not by an stretch. Go out on the open market and sign another 3T and see what that costs. The top guys don't get out of their organizations. You have to draft them so keeping your own is usually the best way to go. With the salary cap increase in the next few years and probably an out on this contract in 3 years its not the big deal everyone is freaking out about. Man....I love sanity!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Don’t understand this at all. Let him play the final year and then you could have paid him that if he improved. No, it would be more. That’s why teams do deals early. It’s a risk but it could be a great deal for the Bills. It’s almost like some posters on this board don’t know that several DT’s this off-season signed extensions at 21-24 million per year. And Chris Jones and Quinnen Williams haven’t even gotten theirs yet. Chris Jones signed an extension 4 years ago that is similar to what Oliver just agreed to. It’s not that much in the grand scheme; especially if he gets more consistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said: This is a very good move. He was stellar when he had Von there. The problem has been there has not been much help on the line. Shouldn’t your DT make your DE’s better, not the other way around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Dave_Bills said: Don’t know the numbers but this looks like a gamble by Beane. I thought 2023 would be his last year as a Bill. Need more production with that kind of money. Yeah, and now he's got a lot of incentive to provide by stepping up. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, purple haze said: No, it would be more. That’s why teams do deals early. It’s a risk but it could be a great deal for the Bills. It’s almost like some posters on this board don’t know that several DT’s this off-season signed extensions at 21-24 million per year. And Chris Jones and Quinnen Williams haven’t even gotten theirs yet. Chris Jones signed an extension 4 years ago that is similar to what Oliver just agreed to. It’s not that much in the grand scheme; especially if he gets more consistent We all saw how Dareus improved after he got his bag.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 40 minutes ago, Simon said: I don't watch film of 50 other NFL DLinemen and neither do you. Nope, I sure don't. I just use PFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Yeah... But might it be 68 across 5 season, making it 13.5 per? Nearly $11M for this season, $45M guaranteed. I'm shocked. We couldn't sign Edmunds and have mystery meat at LB, but for a LB that shows up two or three times a season he gets that kinda of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Shouldn’t your DT make your DE’s better, not the other way around? Well Von gets double teamed instead of Ed. If I remember correctly, Ed was elite in 1 on 1 win ratios for dts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: Yeah... But might it be 68 across 5 season, making it 13.5 per? 4 Years, $45M guaranteed, about $11M this season. Beane's nuts. It's the sign of a desperate GM if we're going to be honest. Edited June 3, 2023 by PBF81 1 1 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Meh, I guess my only hope is mcD can run a more aggressive defense and unlock his potential. Cuz his performance so far does not justify that money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearstobills Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, MWK said: Laughable. Can’t wait to hear the justification for this from the fanboys. 17 million a year for a guy who doesn’t produce? That is a contract for a great DT, not Ed Oliver. Brandon Beane continues to pay and overrate players he drafted. Clueless take. It really is. Who has he overrated and signed? I'll wait. 2017 He signed Milano, Tredavious, and Dawkins to extensions (and those were guys he did not draft) 2018 He signed Josh Allen, Taron Johnson, and Siran Neal to extensions 2019 Ed Oliver signed So who has he overrated and paid?? Ed doesn't count because you're suggesting a pattern. I'm still waiting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Must not have watched the Thanksgiving game this year. He literally won that game for us Detroit, yeah, LOL. And in just about every other game you couldn't tell the difference between him and any mediocre DT in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Detroit, yeah, LOL. And in just about every other game you couldn't tell the difference between him and any mediocre DT in the league. Agreed that "YOU" couldn't. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 DT's and the names you read aren't just interchangeable in our system. Perhaps the Bills don't like what they see in the pipeline as far as 3 tech DT's. I will bet a shiny object either way that as a whole, this board and the common Bills fan has very little ability in determining what Ed Olivers impact is for this system and his league value. Not to say we can't make normal observations, but as was the case with Edmunds, it is very hard to leverage those observations against a system that we don't fully understand. I think we have to at least entertain the possibility we could be wrong in our evaluation, given what teams were willing to pay for Edmunds and in this instance, what I assume they would be willing to pay for Oliver. If I recall, we also hated Daboll which surely didn't age well. Let's see how it plays out. I will throw the pitch fork to the side for now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Billsfan4588 said: Color me confused. I'd understand if it was a discount, but that's top dollar. Not anymore. Top guy gets 31m. He's not even top 10. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I believe that Oliver has not reached his ceiling yet, and McDermott told Beane that he believes he can get him there. I personally believe that ceiling will be worth this price tag, so I am excited to watch him play this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Simon said: Yes, YOU couldn't. I'm all eyes if you want to demonstrate his impact in most other games last season. I'm sure it's all in the ever important "eye test," because statistically he doesn't rank very well. Otherwise, you appear to be in the minority, which is saying something on this topic here. Edited June 3, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: blowing 7.5% of your cap on a chronic under-achiever just so you don't have to replace him is a complete loser mentality. Yahtzee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Pressure is on Ed Oliver, because he'll be the whipping boy if we don't see results... It's also adds pressure to McD and Beane because they're the one's who believe he is doing something valuable enough to justify the extension. The fans do not share this sentiment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Pressure is on Ed Oliver, because he'll be the whipping boy if we don't see results... You say that as though he wasn’t already the whipping boy around here. Once Cody Ford left, it was Edmunds. Now Ed O is in the pole position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I believe that Oliver has not reached his ceiling yet, and McDermott told Beane that he believes he can get him there. I personally believe that ceiling will be worth this price tag, so I am excited to watch him play this year. Bad teams pay players like that. Oliver has not nearly played to the level of this contract extension. Paying him with the hopes that he takes a big enough step forward to be worth makes me SMH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: DT's and the names you read aren't just interchangeable in our system. Perhaps the Bills don't like what they see in the pipeline as far as 3 tech DT's. I will bet a shiny object either way that as a whole, this board and the common Bills fan has very little ability in determining what Ed Olivers impact is for this system and his league value. Not to say we can't make normal observations, but as was the case with Edmunds, it is very hard to leverage those observations against a system that we don't fully understand. I think we have to at least entertain the possibility we could be wrong in our evaluation, given what teams were willing to pay for Edmunds and in this instance, what I assume they would be willing to pay for Oliver. If I recall, we also hated Daboll which surely didn't age well. Let's see how it plays out. I will throw the pitch fork to the side for now. Then perhaps Beane should have planned a little bit better over the six years that he's been GM, that's a logical way of looking at it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Well Von gets double teamed instead of Ed. If I remember correctly, Ed was elite in 1 on 1 win ratios for dts I get that. But if we are going to pay a guy 15 mil plus, then he should be the dominant force and make life easier for everyone else. I’m not coming at you, just the whole idea of paying him when he needs others to help him be great, but got that contract, bothers me a little. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Booooo… Now, 2 bad contracts in a row with Dawson Knox and Oliver…👎 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Beefing up his contract to make him more trade worthy? I honestly woulda rather extended Edmunds. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, PBF81 said: I'm all eyes if you want to demonstrate his impact in most other games last season. I'm sure it's all in the ever important "eye test," because statistically he doesn't rank very well. Otherwise, you appear to be in the minority, which is saying something on this topic here. The fact that you rely on statistics and popular opinion to judge the effectiveness of DT's tells us all we need to know. Thank you. 👍 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Booooo… Now, 2 bad contracts in a row with Dawson Knox and Oliver…👎 Knox seemed like an overpay at the time, and the Kincaid drafting doesn’t help. Now, if we commit to a two tight end set and both these guys eat, then great job Beane. But I somehow think we are still going to see a lot of FB and 3 Wr sets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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