Frazier Permanently Gone?

[hondo in seattle]

It sounds like, as some surmised, that Frazier is out permanently:

 

The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

 

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/does-leslie-frazier-s-latest-venture-hint-he-won-t-return-to-bills-in-2024/ar-AA1bkG6e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b643a44bc2294b33ae7f8a3b6dd8b453&ei=44

Edited May 18, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[BuffaloBillyG]

Has he completely "opted out"?

[Aussie Joe]

Case closed gentlemen!

 

Cant get any clearer evidence then  this .

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[The Wiz]

 

[DCofNC]

I can’t believe anyone really thought he was coming back.

[Donuts and Doritos]

What? No, he's coming back. He promised. 

 

Sorry Sean.

[Chaos]

If he gets a head coaching job now, do the Bills get comp picks? 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Chaos said:

If he gets a head coaching job now, do the Bills get comp picks? 

Nah

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Nah

I feel like this might be an overlooked circumstance unless the bills notified the league he was let go and it was all just puff saying he was taking time off.

[wppete]

Yea no one seriously thought he would be back…. That was the softest firing ever. The Bills didn’t want the backlash. 

[WhoTom]

18 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.

 

His contract with the Bills expired, so there's no team affiliation. It's not a sign of anything we didn't already know. (And I think we all knew he wouldn't be back when they said he was taking a year off.)

 

 

[QCity]

Just now, wppete said:

Yea no one seriously thought he would be back…. That was the softest firing ever. The Bills didn’t want the backlash. 

 

Oh, there's plenty of posters here who thought he was coming back 😂

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I can’t believe anyone really thought he was coming back.

Same.

 

7 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

His contract with the Bills expired, so there's no team affiliation. It's not a sign of anything we didn't already know. (And I think we all knew he wouldn't be back when they said he was taking a year off.)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Einstein

[eball]

17 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If he gets a head coaching job now, do the Bills get comp picks? 

No, but the Pats*** do. 
 

[Aussie Joe]

13 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I feel like this might be an overlooked circumstance unless the bills notified the league he was let go and it was all just puff saying he was taking time off.

I would be very surprised given it wouldn’t be a direct transition from Buffalo to the HC role…

 

Anyway… probably a moot point as chances are low of him getting a HC gig..

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Same.

 

 

 

 

Dated 4 months ago 

[Einstein]

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

 

his soft and refusal to press coverage was infuriating, esp. with Elam who is good in press coverage.  

[The Wiz]

16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I would be very surprised given it wouldn’t be a direct transition from Buffalo to the HC role…

 

Anyway… probably a moot point as chances are low of him getting a HC gig..

Dated 4 months ago 

If he's still under contract but on a "leave of absence" then it should still count.

 

Either way, I agree.  He's not going to get a HC job if he "needed to take time off".

[BigAl2526]

When he left, I think his return was up in the air, but it's always been known that Frazier would like another chance to be a head coach in the NFL and would take it if he got the opportunity.  I don't think things have materially changed.  I think any one of three things could happen:  1.  Frazier could return to Buffalo.  2.  Frazier could get his long awaited chance at another head coaching gig.  3.  Sean McDermott could decide that the Bills are better off without Frazier.  Either he might continue to make calls on the defense or he might bring in a different defensive coordinator.  

 

There is also, I suppose, a fourth possible outcome.  Maybe Leslie Frazier decides to hang it up.  I don't think that is likely at this point, but you never know.  Only one of the four alternate futures has Frazier coming back, so I guess you'd have to say the odds favor him not returning to the Bills. 

[thenorthremembers]

Did anyone really thinking he was going to be coming back after a year off the job?  Try taking a year off of your job and see if its waiting for you when you get back.

 

This is and always was a way for the Bills to move on from Frazier in a respectful fashion without damaging his reputation.   I think its likely his contract runs out after this year.   He still gets paid for the year, and the Bills dont have to publicly fire him. 

[SCBills]

If the league had a part time DC position, he’d be a hot commodity..

 

Just let him pop in and take the reigns on regular season weeks against bad/mediocre offenses and anytime Lamar Jackson. 

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Nah

No, the Patriots are awarded a 4th round pick and a live Buffalo to take the field. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Same.

 

 

 

 

 

Yup. He had a year left on his contract so they have to pay him out as long as he doesn’t take another coaching job in the meantime. Thus the year off. Pretty simple really. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

Leslie Frazier isn’t coming back nor should we want him back with the Buffalo Bills. Sean McDermott will be potentially joining him on the unemployment line if he doesn’t move the Buffalo Bills forward in the playoffs one and done or worse bye, bye Sean McDermott he should be fired also in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

Same.

 

 

 

 

Could’ve expired later. NFL season wasn’t over yet.

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

It sounds like, as some surmised, that Frazier is out permanently:

 

The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

 

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/does-leslie-frazier-s-latest-venture-hint-he-won-t-return-to-bills-in-2024/ar-AA1bkG6e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b643a44bc2294b33ae7f8a3b6dd8b453&ei=44

Uh…yeah. There was zero chance he was ever returning. Come on man.

[Southern_Bills]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

 

I mean what can go wrong in that situation? Not like there is only 13 seconds left 🤷‍♂️

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, eball said:

No, but the Pats*** do. 
 

@Ridgewaycynic2013is hopeful busy smashing the abacus 🧮 on this to report back as we speak 🙌…

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

It sounds like, as some surmised, that Frazier is out permanently:

 

The NFL released a memo on Wednesday listing the 40 participants of the league’s 2023 coach accelerator program May 21-23.

 

Leslie Frazier’s name was included in the memo, however, he was one of three head-coaching hopefuls (along with Pep Hamilton and Kris Richard) to not have a team affiliation next to his name.

 

www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/does-leslie-frazier-s-latest-venture-hint-he-won-t-return-to-bills-in-2024/ar-AA1bkG6e?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b643a44bc2294b33ae7f8a3b6dd8b453&ei=44

Seems like a great guy and all, but…

[Chandler#81]

Haven’t doubted it since the moment his ‘taking a year off’ was announced.

[Don Otreply]

Yes, Frazier is permanently gone, 
 

It is amusing that anyone thought he had not been fired from his job. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

What? No, he's coming back. He promised. 

 

Sorry Sean.

He never "promised' it would be in Buffalo, review the tape

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

his soft and refusal to press coverage was infuriating, esp. with Elam who is good in press coverage.  

Let's see what McD does with this D. He has a big reputation and he better deliver. If not  there has to be that conversation next year. 

[Franco_92]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

This is cover 0, the most aggressive call in the defensive playbook. Wrong time for it, maybe, but too many fans pretend this was a soft playcall 

 

The reason you don't press with zero is there's no help and one mediocre double move from the 4 WRs who are all faster than their defenders gives burrow 4 wide open guys to choose from

[Sierra Foothills]

[mrags]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

his soft and refusal to press coverage was infuriating, esp. with Elam who is good in press coverage.  

It’s still mcDs defense 

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I can’t believe anyone really thought he was coming back.

 

His departure was so weird and mysterious that I kept an open mind.   Was this a soft termination?  Or maybe he had a private family issue to take care of and was only taking a leave of absence?  

 

My mind is less open now.  If I had to take a SWAG, I'd say McD was generally happy with Frazier's preparations throughout the week but not happy with his predictable, cautious play-calling.  McD decided that he'd do the play-calling in 2023.  The two men talked it out at the end of the season and Frazier didn't want to continue in a diminished capacity.  And this is what they come up with.    

[GETTOTHE50]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

I wonder if there was 1 year left on his contract and the team offered to pay him to take the year off.

 

Either way, there was no coming back from this.

 

ah yes. I remember yelling at the tv at this play wondering what the ***** was going on.

 

I still dont blame Frazier for the loss though and Im still not completely on board with his LOA. 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

This is cover 0, the most aggressive call in the defensive playbook. Wrong time for it, maybe, but too many fans pretend this was a soft playcall 

 

The reason you don't press with zero is there's no help

 

At midfield, yes. Not at the 7 yard line. There is not much room for the defender to even run past the DB in this part of the field (unless it’s a pylon throw or slot middle). 

 

The right call is to play press man and force Burrow to hold onto the ball a second longer. The play call they chose, gift wrapped a first down for Cinci. 

 

And the Bills agree with me. How do I know?

 

Well, not much later in the game, the Bills defense were in almost exactly the same position. This time it was 3rd and 5 instead of 3rd and 4. And it was also in the red zone.

 

In almost the exact same situation, the Bills played cover 0 again (or maybe it was cover 1?), but this time with press man. Any guesses as to what happened?

 

Burrow had to hold the ball longer, waiting for his receivers to get separation. In doing so, he got hit by Ed Oliver, and barely was able to throw the ball away.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Einstein

[Freddie's Dead]

 

[GunnerBill]

Leslie is not coming back. He chose to walk away from the final year of his Bills contract, take a year off and then he will take what presumably will be his last NFL job. I suspect that will be as a DC on a team with a new first time offensive minded head coach. And you know what? He will have a good defense. Because Leslie Frazier is a good football coach.