GreggTX Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) He has been hurt, but he's certainly played at a higher level than Brown up to now. I understand he's set a price for teams to talk to him, but eventually reality will set in. If Brown makes a good step up, so much the better. Dalton Risner is still out there too if we're so inclined, but they're already commited to McGovern it appears. I think Dawkins - Risner/McGovern - Morse/Bates - Torrence/Bates - Wynn/Brown looks much better than last year's OL. I doubt either of these signings will happen, but either one would be nice. Edited May 2, 2023 by GreggTX 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreadlox Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 There doesn’t appear to be an answer on the roster at the moment should Brown struggle again. That is a little worrisome with so much on the line this year. Things could change during camp but it’d be great if they could fit a guy like Wynn. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Isn’t he really short and small to be a RT? I know the Pats used him as a LT and he played well, just not sure he meets the athletic profile. That said MLB and RT are the two spots I’d love to see a vet addition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, GreggTX said: He has been hurt, but he's certainly played at a higher level than Brown up to now. I understand he's set a price for teams to talk to him, but eventually reality will set in. If Brown makes a good step up, so much the better. Dalton Risner is still out there too if we're so inclined, but they're already commited to McGovern it appears. I think Dawkins - Risner/McGovern - Morse/Bates - Torrence/Bates - Wynn/Brown looks much better than last year's OL. I doubt either of these signings will happen, but either one would be nice. IMO what’s missing on this roster is a player that actually push and/or replace Spencer Brown when he eventually sucks this season. I don’t think David Quessenberry is that player. He’s worse that Brown. I would love it if Buffalo could bring in a player like a Wynn and am hoping we can get a better option as a backup than Payne or Quessenberry 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I'm open to adding any RT to the roster at this point 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 They are very committed to Brown. I think it's partly because they truly believe in him and partly because they're stubbornly doubling down on that investment. I'd love to see a guy like Wynn come in but I'm doubting it. And I trust Beane but everyone has misses here and there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 It would be nice if a veteran top level RT became available during the summer for whatever reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) Of course I'd take him. But Isaiah Wynn isn't signing somewhere to not start. And while Beane may want some insurance behind Brown in case of injury or poor performance, he's not looking to outright replace Brown. Wynn is also available now because he's looking for big money. Something we're also not going to do. So if we were to sign another OT, it would be someone else. I'd look at someone like George Fant or Cameron Fleming as the best possible scenario. Edited May 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 51 minutes ago, GreggTX said: He has been hurt, but he's certainly played at a higher level than Brown up to now. I understand he's set a price for teams to talk to him, but eventually reality will set in. If Brown makes a good step up, so much the better. Dalton Risner is still out there too if we're so inclined, but they're already commited to McGovern it appears. I think Dawkins - Risner/McGovern - Morse/Bates - Torrence/Bates - Wynn/Brown looks much better than last year's OL. I doubt either of these signings will happen, but either one would be nice. Bills do not need Risner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 It seems like the Bills have been trying to find a long term answer at RT since Jesus was a boy. I can't remember the last time I felt really solid about that position for any length of time. From Langston Walker to Brad Butler to Cyrus Kuondjio to Seantrel Henderson to Jordan Mills to Cody Ford to Daryl Williams to Spencer Brown... MAKE IT STOP 4 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I think Daryl Williams had one good season (or was that at guard?) and Spencer Brown had a decent rookie season. But, correct that we have not found a long-term answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Of course I'd take him. But Isaiah Wynn isn't signing somewhere to not start. And while Beane may want some insurance behind Brown in case of injury or poor performance, he's not looking to outright replace Brown. Wynn is also available now because he's looking for big money. Something we're also not going to do. So if we were to sign another OT, it would be someone else. I'd look at someone like George Fant as the best possible scenario. lol is this his legit account?? 4 seasons---placed on IR each one. Bum is spitting fire from his whirlpool. How's that "converse" goin, Isaiah? lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: lol is this his legit account?? 4 seasons---placed on IR each one. Bum is spitting fire from his whirlpool. How's that "converse" goin, Isaiah? lol Yes, that's his legit account and he unfortunately unironically tweeted that. The tweet is probably another reason why he's still out there. Not a smart move. https://nesn.com/2023/03/patriots-isaiah-wynn-sets-free-agency-price-with-bizarre-tweet/ 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, dreadlox said: There doesn’t appear to be an answer on the roster at the moment should Brown struggle again. That is a little worrisome with so much on the line this year. Things could change during camp but it’d be great if they could fit a guy like Wynn. They would likely kick Bates outside. He can play any position on the line and started at RT before for the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 What I like about Brown is what he has NOT and did NOT do! He didn't play his last year in college as school canceled program due to Covid He did not have a full rookie off season as thing were still not at 100% due to Covid changes He didn't play every game as rookie as got hurt mid way through year, believe it was his back and may have been playing a bit hurt late in the season He didn't have any off season his 2nd year due to rehabbing from back surgery. He hasn't yet played 3 NFL seasons He didn't have the same O line coach the last three years he played, two in the NFL and last year of college He didn't have the same lineman playing next to him the past two season which for an inexperienced player to start with takes some time getting use to. These are a few things that he didn't do. Ad them all up and you have a player that really no one knows what he can do. Really need one more full season to see what he is capable of and everyone who says how terrible he is, really have no idea. These are probably many of the same who wanted to get rid of Tyler Bass after about 4 games, Dawson Knox being another. 5 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'm open to adding any RT to the roster at this point I will sign for the Vet minimum RIGHT NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: lol is this his legit account?? 4 seasons---placed on IR each one. Bum is spitting fire from his whirlpool. How's that "converse" goin, Isaiah? lol Yeah. Read that post and tell me you think this guy should be signed by the Bills. Not hardly. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Hodgins and McKenzie didn’t work.. I’m open to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I don’t think he’s a fit for us, but I’m quite certain his stance has softened on those demands at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I’d rather get one of the remaining veteran pass rushers. I don’t think the Bills are moving off Spencer Brown whatsoever. So save the money on Wynn and see if you can get Melvin Ingram or Justin Houston. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I think he would want to much cash to fit under the cap & it may cost the development of a younger player going forward, I think we are in a better place this season than last when it comes tot he O line . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 hours ago, stlbills13 said: They are very committed to Brown. I think it's partly because they truly believe in him and partly because they're stubbornly doubling down on that investment. I'd love to see a guy like Wynn come in but I'm doubting it. And I trust Beane but everyone has misses here and there. I agree. It could be their downfall as a FO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Of course I'd take him. But Isaiah Wynn isn't signing somewhere to not start. And while Beane may want some insurance behind Brown in case of injury or poor performance, he's not looking to outright replace Brown. Wynn is also available now because he's looking for big money. Something we're also not going to do. So if we were to sign another OT, it would be someone else. I'd look at someone like George Fant or Cameron Fleming as the best possible scenario. Wynn seems very comfortable articulating his financial requirements. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 hours ago, Big Turk said: They would likely kick Bates outside. He can play any position on the line and started at RT before for the Bills. He's a mediocre G and you want him on the outside? Do you even like Josh Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: I will sign for the Vet minimum RIGHT NOW! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Logic said: It seems like the Bills have been trying to find a long term answer at RT since Jesus was a boy. With the 9th pick of the 2010 NFL Draft, the Buffalo Bills select Bryan Bulaga, T, Iowa. Except it came out as CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson. Edited May 3, 2023 by Freddie's Dead 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Yes, that's his legit account and he unfortunately unironically tweeted that. The tweet is probably another reason why he's still out there. Not a smart move. https://nesn.com/2023/03/patriots-isaiah-wynn-sets-free-agency-price-with-bizarre-tweet/ Does anyone here speak jive? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Brown/Doyle/Bates isn't ideal but I can live with it for this season. You can't upgrade every position in one season and whoever plays RT will hopefully benefit from improved interior OL play. I wouldn't mind a veteran if Beane can find someone for vet minimum but wouldn't want to pay $5mil for someone like Wynn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 brown will be healthy again and he will be fine. move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: What I like about Brown is what he has NOT and did NOT do! He didn't play his last year in college as school canceled program due to Covid He did not have a full rookie off season as thing were still not at 100% due to Covid changes He didn't play every game as rookie as got hurt mid way through year, believe it was his back and may have been playing a bit hurt late in the season He didn't have any off season his 2nd year due to rehabbing from back surgery. He hasn't yet played 3 NFL seasons He didn't have the same O line coach the last three years he played, two in the NFL and last year of college He didn't have the same lineman playing next to him the past two season which for an inexperienced player to start with takes some time getting use to. These are a few things that he didn't do. Ad them all up and you have a player that really no one knows what he can do. Really need one more full season to see what he is capable of and everyone who says how terrible he is, really have no idea. These are probably many of the same who wanted to get rid of Tyler Bass after about 4 games, Dawson Knox being another. Beane and McDermott have a pretty good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I’d rather get one of the remaining veteran pass rushers. I don’t think the Bills are moving off Spencer Brown whatsoever. So save the money on Wynn and see if you can get Melvin Ingram or Justin Houston. What money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 14 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: What I like about Brown is what he has NOT and did NOT do! He didn't play his last year in college as school canceled program due to Covid He did not have a full rookie off season as thing were still not at 100% due to Covid changes He didn't play every game as rookie as got hurt mid way through year, believe it was his back and may have been playing a bit hurt late in the season He didn't have any off season his 2nd year due to rehabbing from back surgery. He hasn't yet played 3 NFL seasons He didn't have the same O line coach the last three years he played, two in the NFL and last year of college He didn't have the same lineman playing next to him the past two season which for an inexperienced player to start with takes some time getting use to. These are a few things that he didn't do. Ad them all up and you have a player that really no one knows what he can do. Really need one more full season to see what he is capable of and everyone who says how terrible he is, really have no idea. These are probably many of the same who wanted to get rid of Tyler Bass after about 4 games, Dawson Knox being another. I don’t think anyone is clamouring for Brown to be gone, and yes we see those valid points. But I think the majority of Bills fans want to see someone brought in for some healthy competition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: He's a mediocre G and you want him on the outside? Do you even like Josh Allen? Do you think he would do any worse than Brown last year? Doubt it. But as to the topic of this thread, I'm all for signing Wynn to what I assume would be a 1 yead deal on the cheap at this point. Edited May 3, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Hoping Tommy Doyle might be a surprise. 6'8", 320 lbs.! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, DJB said: I don’t think anyone is clamouring for Brown to be gone, and yes we see those valid points. But I think the majority of Bills fans want to see someone brought in for some healthy competition I think many do want him gone and have zero confidence that he'll ever be any good when you read comments either in this post or others. Agree bringing is some competition is fine, but many want him replaced and that is without much merit. From this thread alone: when he eventually sucks this season. stubbornly doubling down on that investment Do you think he would do any worse than Brown last year? Doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Do you think he would do any worse than Brown last year? Doubt it. But as to the topic of this thread, I'm all for signing Wynn to what I assume would be a 1 yead deal on the cheap at this point. I would have to say yes, he'd be worse than Spencer Brown and he's undersized at 6'4" 304 lbs. but for the most part I was just busting your chops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Well based on his tweet.....I say a HARD no thanks, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.....yo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 5 hours ago, PonyBoy said: Does anyone here speak jive? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 18 hours ago, Big Turk said: They would likely kick Bates outside. He can play any position on the line and started at RT before for the Bills. That makes a lot of sense. We have a lot of guys at Guard right now. And if Brown is struggling this summer, they had better put someone else at RT to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 19 hours ago, msw2112 said: I think Daryl Williams had one good season (or was that at guard?) and Spencer Brown had a decent rookie season. But, correct that we have not found a long-term answer. Williams had a good season at RT when he was on a 1-year "prove it" deal. Then the Bills paid him and he lost the RT job to Brown. He bounced inside to guard and Bills cut him after the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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