RD 3, Pick 91: LB Dorian Williams, Tulane

[Chandler#81]

All these “he’s too small” posts. 🤦‍♂️ This isn’t the 70’s folks. Lambert, Butkus, etc wouldn’t fare well in this era. Are we susceptible to ‘Train’ Henry? Yes. But we were with Edmunds as well. We are dealing with a plethora of Who’s Who QBs in the AFC. None of which are renown for handing off the ball in the backfield.

 

WAKE UP! 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Process said:

The more I think about this pick the more I hate it. No idea wtf McBeane is doing. Such a good first two rounds and then they had to go full McBeane. They can't help themselves. 

 

We extend Milano. Then spend a third round pick on a guy to be his backup/ST player..... a year after spending a third round pick on a guy to be his backup/special teams player.

 

Ugh

Building the roster through special teams?

[LyndonvilleBill]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

you weren’t getting a viable day one MLB at 91 boss. 

Don't think we were getting one after pick 18.😁

[SydneyBillsFan]

Louis Riddick said:

 

"Its unreal how this man can read splits, backfield tilts...he is off the spot in a hurry, he is downhill, his run hit ability is as good as any LB in this draft...Dorian and Milano will be an absolute terror LB duo...the Bills have got one here, that is a heck of a pick up by Beane and McDermott"

 

Mel Kiper Jr said:

 

"Off the charts production, great instincts and recognition skills, leaves a lasting impression with his tackling"

 

I approve.

Edited April 29, 2023 by SydneyBillsFan

[bills6969]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

Whois Dorian Williams?

 

I don't like small school LB's to play in big time positions. Spector was terribly evaluated, and he was a big school dude.

 

I dislike this. 

Worst take of all time.  OmGz, hE DidNT gOtO a Big NaMe SchOol sO hE muSt nOt bE gOod.

[Bubba Gump]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why are we taking undersized LBs in the 3rd

 

Remember when we traded up in the 1st for an oversized "freak" LB? How'd that work out? I'll wait to pass judgement. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

In a few years Beane will be an absolute wizard for the good picks and an abject failure for the picks that didn’t 😂

[longtimebillsfan]

8 hours ago, boyst said:

Talent scouting is talent scouting. I don't trust our talent scouting at LB. 

They did okay with Matt Milano.  Through all the hate on Tramaine, he was a 2 time pro bowler and signed a huge 2nd contract.

 

Long live Edmunds!

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, BILLSINATL said:

I like Dorian. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

I like the Dorian pick. Cotton Bowl D MVP, Team captain and fast. I had him as a 4th round target if we didn't get a LB early. Like last year not having our 4th hurts and there was a run at LBers. I didn't like the Bernard pick last year. 

New to message boards, eh rook?  We got the point 🤣

[HOUSE]

What were you expecting 

Jack Campbell ?

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

You know, in an odd way, maybe he was the bpa

That would be very odd

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Oh, please. He's All-Pro and not terrific?

 

Milano's absolutely terrific, don't kid yourself.

 

I was talking about Edmunds

50 minutes ago, bills6969 said:

Worst take of all time.  OmGz, hE DidNT gOtO a Big NaMe SchOol sO hE muSt nOt bE gOod.

Yeah, I don't know who you are. But the whole 6969 thing, isn't it past your bedtime?

16 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

They did okay with Matt Milano.  Through all the hate on Tramaine, he was a 2 time pro bowler and signed a huge 2nd contract.

 

Long live Edmunds!

The pro bowl is a joke, go look at who is elected this year. Tell me the joke of a guard we played deserve to go?

[BillsFan2313]

Not sure if anyone saw what Beane had to say, or if already posted. 

 

Beane sees him as an outside LB for now. He said the defense will be very complex. I wonder if McD is going 4-3 base. 

Edited April 29, 2023 by BillsFan2313

[finn]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Lol what? Why make this pick

 

I just don’t get it.

 

You drafted Bernard and Spector and now Dorian.  This pick could have really shored up the OL competition and depth

Exactly. Were there really no developmental OTs to develop? At best, Beane is acknowledging he probably wasted a third-round pick on Bernard last year. Now he's spent two third-round picks on backups to Milano. Isn't that what the later rounds are for? 

[Yantha]

8 hours ago, boyst said:

Whois Dorian Williams?

 

I don't like small school LB's to play in big time positions. Spector was terribly evaluated, and he was a big school dude.

 

I dislike this. 

Tulane I think had a top 10 program this past season.  Really got on the map.

[Playoffs?]

7 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

Not sure if anyone saw what Beane had to say, or if already posted. 

 

Beane sees him as an outside LB for now. He said the defense will be very complex. I wonder if McD is going 4-3 base. 

I heard moving Milano to the middle too… and I think Milano can do it. 

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Louis Riddick said:

 

"Its unreal how this man can read splits, backfield tilts...he is off the spot in a hurry, he is downhill, his run hit ability is as good as any LB in this draft...Dorian and Milano will be an absolute terror LB duo...the Bills have got one here, that is a heck of a pick up by Beane and McDermott"

 

Mel Kiper Jr said:

 

"Off the charts production, great instincts and recognition skills, leaves a lasting impression with his tackling"

 

I approve.

I have been saying this for years, and I'll make the point again

 

Edmunds was a piss poor instinctive player. He had great physical tools, but no actual football instincts.

 

A player like Dorian Williams will look fantastic in our defense if he truly is instinctive and has good recognition.

 

[Bookie Man]

No more 92% nickel 

[Chandler#81]

 

[KCNC]

Not inspiring pick at all.  We could have gotten him way later.  I am losing faith in BBB.

[Mark92]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Probably a round too early for this guy.

I agree but they liked him a lot and not having a 4th persuaded them to pull the trigger.  I think the LB run worried them that he wouldn't be there in the early 5th round.  It sucks drafting for a need but it happens. 

[JMM]

1 hour ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Louis Riddick said:

 

"Its unreal how this man can read splits, backfield tilts...he is off the spot in a hurry, he is downhill, his run hit ability is as good as any LB in this draft...Dorian and Milano will be an absolute terror LB duo...the Bills have got one here, that is a heck of a pick up by Beane and McDermott"

 

Mel Kiper Jr said:

 

"Off the charts production, great instincts and recognition skills, leaves a lasting impression with his tackling"

 

I approve.

 But...but...casual fans on this board, who never heard of him before the pick say he's too small and a bad pick.  So..that's that...🙄🙄🙄🙄

[Yantha]

He’s going to be Matt Milano’s backup.  And he’s a great player.   The bills went offense for the first two rounds so any shot of landing a starter at mlb evaporated right there. 

now we’re just adding depth.  Good pick.

this is the Bills.  Very tough to find a third round rookie at any position who could start on this team.

[Casey D]

It's a blessing we picked Williams here so certain folks can bash Beane again.  The Torrence pick had left them speechless. Beane--genius to fool in 90 minutes.🙂 

[LEBills]

4 hours ago, Process said:

The more I think about this pick the more I hate it. No idea wtf McBeane is doing. Such a good first two rounds and then they had to go full McBeane. They can't help themselves. 

 

We extend Milano. Then spend a third round pick on a guy to be his backup/ST player..... a year after spending a third round pick on a guy to be his backup/special teams player.

 

Ugh

Unfortunately, Beane is just an average GM when it comes to talent evaluation. He is better at the cap management but that is getting harder with Josh being expensive. 
 

All teams miss on pick, and Beane’s first rounders have been solid, but since 2019 the only player selects by the Bills who has gone to the pro bowl (a much lower achievement than in earlier times) is Wyatt Teller with the Browns. That’s just not good enough to compete long term unfortunately. 

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by LEBills

[balln]

34 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

It is hard to get excited though because this year the ESPN analysts are overly positive about every single pick

 

The days of real analysis are over. It is an entertainment show now and the entertainers can’t ruin the show with a negative take on ANY draft pick. Sad

 

 

Uhhh. No. Kiper blasted a bunch of prospects. Riddick too. 
 

the only absolute waste of espn team was booger who literally piggy backs whatever the other two say and just says the most general things “player x will really get coached up by coach y once they bring him into the building z” 

 

literally he just says that over and over and over 

Edited April 29, 2023 by balln

[OldTimer1960]

Williams certainly looks like an athlete and he is fast.  The Bills seem to have a current “type” at LB - undersized with speed.  From Brandon Beane’s press conference it sounds like they took him as an outside backer, not as someone who will compete to replace Edmunds next year.  
 

Probably unfair to suggest this, but it seems like they hit on Matt Milano and now are looking for another guy in a similar mold.  Williams has speed and athletic movement skills to play in a pass happy NFL, let’s see how he develops.

 

Looking at body types, Williams looks more the part than Terrel Bernard did last year.  Anxious to see if Bernard bulks up over the offseason.  Milano really built some muscle after a year in the program, hopefully Bernard can too.  Williams, though, already is built.

[flmike]

Good teams like the Bills are usually not drafting immediate starters in Round 3 unless it's a RB. His size and speed say he has strong safety in his future. 

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

I was talking about Edmunds

 

 

 

Ah, sorry to misunderstand.

 

But equally ridiculous. As I pointed out, there's a reason Tremaine is now the fourth-highest paid off-ball linebacker in football, behind only Roquan Smith, Shaquille Leonard and Fred Warner. He's an extremely good player. Terrific applies.

 

The whole D played much worse when he was out.

 

Hard to replace, as we seem to be finding out, though I hope I'm wrong about that.

Edited April 29, 2023 by Thurman#1

[OldTimer1960]

4 minutes ago, flmike said:

Good teams like the Bills are usually not drafting immediate starters in Round 3 unless it's a RB. His size and speed say he has strong safety in his future. Could be right, but I think they are looking at OLB.  They want backers that are good in pass defense and his speed and wing span give him a chance to be good at that.  He doesn’t appear to be shy about hitting - he had some nasty collisions, but but he is still on the smaller side.

[BUFF36]

Kinda reminds me of Milano when the Bills drafted him. About the same size when they were drafted.

[Green Lightning]

35 minutes ago, Yantha said:

now we’re just adding depth.  Good pick.

this is the Bills.  Very tough to find a third round rookie at any position who could start on this team.

DaWand Jones. 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, mrags said:

McD definitely forced this pick. The plans for him will be backup to backup and will play STs. It’s the McD way. We could only hope that players like Taiwan Jones and Matakevich never made anymore more than these rookie contract guys. But the fact is, McD likes to keep all of them. Becaise that’s his mentality. He’s a small man himself. Was an underdog. He loves the small underdog guys. His biggest weakness. 

 

 

 

He didn't "definitely" force this pick.

 

This is what is known as a guess.

 

As is what you are saying there are "the plans" for him, but which are really your guesses. 

 

Nothing wrong with having guesses. Nothing whatsoever. It's only a problem when you start to confuse guesses with facts.

 

 

8 hours ago, mrags said:

I’m a realist. I just know he’s going to be useless. I guess I don’t get suckered into liking everything the team does. I really liked the first 2 picks then they really ruined a good couple picks with this.  So many other players that could have been taken that might actually amount to something more than a backup to the backup at LB and a punt and kick cover guy. 

 

 

And again. You're not being a realist here. You in fact don't "just know he's going to be useless."

 

It's a guess. 

 

I don't like the pick either so far. But I don't kid myself I know what's going to happen in the future.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Thurman#1

[CEN-CAL17]

Just looking at his frame and build, it looks like the kid could easily put on 10-12 lbs….. now we are talking 235-240 lbs…. 

[noacls]

6 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

DaWand Jones. 

Do some research. Guy is a bum

[MrEpsYtown]

34 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

 Anxious to see if Bernard bulks up over the offseason.  Milano really built some muscle after a year in the program, hopefully Bernard can too.  Williams, though, already is built.

I think there is a better chance that Spector is that guy who bulked up as he apparently spent the entire offseason at the facility. We will see how it shakes out. Maybe they truly think Dodson can step up.  

[Green Lightning]

4 minutes ago, noacls said:

Do some research. Guy is a bum

Did. He'd start at RT.

[noacls]

1 minute ago, Green Lightning said:

Did. He'd start at RT.

If he could bother to show up for meetings and practice. 

[SCBills]

46 minutes ago, Casey D said:

It's a blessing we picked Williams here so certain folks can bash Beane again.  The Torrence pick had left them speechless. Beane--genius to fool in 90 minutes.🙂 

I’m open to the pick .. the breakdown I heard of his instincts & playing style sound fantastic. 
 

I just don’t understand it, at all, after Beane commented on his role.  
 

And you can say “oh, well Beane and the FO surely know more than us”.. but the fans have generally been proven correct in their criticism when questioning some of these picks like Basham and (so far) Bernard.  

[Green Lightning]

3 minutes ago, noacls said:

If he could bother to show up for meetings and practice. 

I get it, but Bills culture would set him straight. Worth a shot at a massive talent.