BillsFan2313 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: I would not trade for him. If he was cost controlled another 2-3 years sure, but not now. He’s been hurt almost non stop as well. I would prefer they went in a different direction. He is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: In fairness, DHop is only 30 right now. But! Recently injured and busted using PEDs to recover. Which usually turns into a slippery slope. I mean I'm on the 2nd for DHop train, but Jeudy is that younger rd1 WR we want. I want a younger WR, but where we are with the offense, a new WR coach a still green OC, I want a guy who has been in the league a few years to step into #2 right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: I would not trade for him. If he was cost controlled another 2-3 years sure, but not now. He’s been hurt almost non stop as well. I would prefer they went in a different direction. No perfect options though. OBJ off two ACL's. D-Hop, getting older and a bunch of random nonsense. No guarantee a WR we like makes it to 27. Jeudy is available for a reason. Gabe Davis can be sent back or moved to recoup a pick.. he's not without his ankle issues and inconsistency. Jeudy gives us that elite WR2 opposite Diggs, that teams 100% have to fear. He also has WR1 potential for the future. This just makes so much sense for Buffalo, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Interestingly, Spotrac says the first year to get out of Diggs' deal is 2025. That's the same offseason Jeudy would be due for a big extension. We have no 5th year option currently due in 2024 which is when Jeudy's would be. If we trade for him the timing makes A LOT of sense. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Jeudy has 2 years left on his rookie deal so he would be cost controlled that long at most. A 1st round WR would have 5 cost controlled years, so that’s better contractual value. How much better is Jeudy than the best WR likely to be available at 27? It would have to be a certain, significant gap to make sense for me. Put another way, is Jeudy at the level Diggs was at when we acquired him? We would be essentially redoing that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: He is Last I seen he was in the last year of his deal, maybe there’s a 5th year option I didn’t look at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Maybe. Hey, I think Hopkins is THE premier WR in the NFL and has been for a decade so Im certainly not against it. But for the upfront investment, and long term costs, I tend to lean towards the guy who can/will be playing for the rest of Josh's career as opposed to the guy who will likely be falling off a cliff and retiring soon. Hopkins age, injuries, and PED use worries me. Once that ball starts rolling, it usually picks up momentum. I'm just not sure how "cheap" he will really come. Hopkins only missed time with one injury, 2021 though. Prior to that he had missed 2 total games in his entire career and came back and was fully healthy last year. He made a mistake in recovery from that injury that cost him time in 2022, but he has not had an issue staying healthy. And while I get the long term appeal, if Jeudy excels here, I am not sure we would be able to afford to keep him long term. We might, but there are no assurances. Which is why I like risking less on Hopkins and then look to add some youth in the draft we can keep for 4-5 seasons cheap sometime during the next 2 drafts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: No perfect options though. OBJ off two ACL's. D-Hop, getting older and a bunch of random nonsense. No guarantee a WR we like makes it to 27. Jeudy is available for a reason. Gabe Davis can be sent back or moved to recoup a pick.. he's not without his ankle issues and inconsistency. Jeudy gives us that elite WR2 opposite Diggs, that teams 100% have to fear. He also has WR1 potential for the future. This just makes so much sense for Buffalo, imo. I don’t view him that way but I’m no expert either. I always considered Sutton the prize of that offense. Anytime I watched them last year or the year before it was Sutton making all the plays, and Juedy doing his best McKenzie impression slipping sliding and falling everywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I'd be fine with trading a 1st. I would still keep Davis. Diggs, Jeudy, Davis,Shakir, and Crowder would be my 5 WRs. Maybe add a 6th on day 3 of the draft. I would trade Oliver for a 2nd. I would draft OL, OL, MLB or Safety with the next 3 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Hopkins only missed time with one injury, 2021 though. Prior to that he had missed 2 total games in his entire career and came back and was fully healthy last year. He made a mistake in recovery from that injury that cost him time in 2022, but he has not had an issue staying healthy. And while I get the long term appeal, if Jeudy excels here, I am not sure we would be able to afford to keep him long term. We might, but there are no assurances. Which is why I like risking less on Hopkins and then look to add some youth in the draft we can keep for 4-5 seasons cheap sometime during the next 2 drafts. Why wouldn't we? 2025 is when Diggs would come off the books and is also when Jeudy would be do for a big extension. You pick up his 5th year option and then sign him to the deal that doesn't start until 2025. EDIT: And are we sure Hopkins, or Diggs for that matter, want to split reps? Edited March 13, 2023 by Wayne Cubed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said: I'd be fine with trading a 1st. I would still keep Davis. Diggs, Jeudy, Davis,Shakir, and Crowder would be my 5 WRs. Maybe add a 6th on day 3 of the draft. I would trade Oliver for a 2nd. I would draft OL, OL, MLB or Safety with the next 3 picks. Wow..someone giving up a second for Oliver? Get them to give up a 3rd for McKenzie whilst their at it .. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Late round. He's do for a contract, hasn't done much of anything, injured, 3rd day pick. I mean why is anyone giving you anything for him at this point, based on his Bama days? He couldn't get together with Wilson, and I know folks feel Wilson is a washed up Diva, but the guy still can get the football to open receivers. Just not sure what to think about Jeudy, he hasn't do anything in this league. Most I'd give is a 3rd, I have to pay him and he hasn't proven he can do it. Edited March 13, 2023 by bouds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 The hype for Jeudy doesn't match up with his results in the NFL. 3 years in and he has an abysmal catch rate. Hasn't topped 1k yards in a season yet either. He's had bad QBs and injury issues so there's still a lot of potential, but this has to effect his trade value. I think our 2nd rd pick would be fair. Maybe Ed Oliver + late picks if the Broncos like Oliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 41 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Davis + McKenzie + 2nd next year They drafted McKenzie, and know exactly what kind of player he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I'd be more interested in Hamler. Would take less to get him and he would bring some serious speed to the offense. Dealt with injury/dog crap at QB his entire time in devner but think there is some potential there. Than still take a WR on day 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I also have to do a double take when a cost controlled WR is being shopped, rumors about him since last season, when you just paid Wilson all that money and you need him to throw to someone....doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Why wouldn't we? 2025 is when Diggs would come off the books and is also when Jeudy would be do for a big extension. You pick up his 5th year option and then sign him to the deal that doesn't start until 2025. Because if he blows up here, his cost could (and probably likely) be greater than what we paid Diggs. KC didn't keep Tyreek...GB didn't keep Adams...are Bills going to pony up with an expensive roster and pay a WR $27M+ per year or higher if he has establishes himself as top end WR while catching passes from Allen? It would also mean moving on from Diggs and then also giving him a huge bag of money. Would he thrive as a #1 after Diggs is gone for that kind of money? And if he doesn't excel to command a huge contract, trading a first round pick for him would have been an over pay. So for me, its not so cut and dry. Not saying I am against trading for Jeudy, just saying I like a Hopkins trade more. I would be excited if we got Jeudy, this isn't about that. I just prefer taking the better player today in Hopkins for a win now approach, and nabbing a WR to groom early sometime in the next 2 drafts who we can have 4 to 5 years of Allens prime on a rookie contract. I would however be much more comfortable trading Jeudy if the price comes in much cheaper than is being rumored or if it was a player and a mediocre pick. It is trading a first, or trading a 2nd and another pick where I start to like it less than trying to get Hopkins. Edited March 13, 2023 by Alphadawg7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I look at this number though, and man, it's good. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Oliver for Jeudy and a 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 he was great in college. rtr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhgold Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I live in Denver. During the three years that Juedy has been on the Broncos, he's generated more negative news than positive. He's hurt a lot, he drops a lot of passes and he's prone to emotional melt downs. Yet he's still one of the Broncos most valuable assets. No way the Bills should offer anywhere near as much as I'd imagine the Broncos would want for him. IMO, Bills resources should go into improving the OLine. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Jeudy has 2 years left on his rookie deal so he would be cost controlled that long at most. A 1st round WR would have 5 cost controlled years, so that’s better contractual value. How much better is Jeudy than the best WR likely to be available at 27? It would have to be a certain, significant gap to make sense for me. Put another way, is Jeudy at the level Diggs was at when we acquired him? We would be essentially redoing that trade. One costs a 1st round pick - i'd assume jeudy is had for much less than a 1st. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: I want to use our first three picks on 2 OL and 1 WR. So if they are asking for high offers, I'd start with a 3rd, and could probably justify a 1st considering there likely wont be a WR available at #27 as good as Jeudy. But if it really came down to a 1st, I'd have to think hard about it. now that Bills signed McGovern, do you still want to DRAFT 2 O Linemen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: now that Bills signed McGovern, do you still want to DRAFT 2 O Linemen? Ha, good question. Yes. As of right now, nothing has changed for me. McGovern could be yet another FA OG on the pile. I might be convinced otherwise before draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, bouds said: I look at this number though, and man, it's good. Russ's noddle arm can't throw that far or that fast. Id give our 2nd without blinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Nothing. I want Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Pick 27 for Jeudy absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Gabe Davis + Isaiah McKenzie + 4th Why would you think it’s a good idea to get rid of all the depth we have at the position? Gabe may not be a great #2 but he certainly provides cheap (for now) value as a 3 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: We can probably get Hopkins for less than Jeudy. So I’d do that. Problem is the $ owed to Hop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: What is the plan in Denver? Just blow it all up? The receivers weren't the problem. When Russ didn't play, each of them had great games. Not exactly sure what they are thinking. You want to prove that the russ trade wasn't a colossal failure and you trade away his weapons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, DJB said: Problem is the $ owed to Hop Yeah, obviously a restructure would certainly have to be part of the trade. But I have no doubt Hopkins would do that to play with Allen along side Diggs and have a chance at a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yeah, obviously a restructure would certainly have to be part of the trade. But I have no doubt Hopkins would do that to play with Allen along side Diggs and have a chance at a ring. Would be pretty sweet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, dhgold said: I live in Denver. During the three years that Juedy has been on the Broncos, he's generated more negative news than positive. He's hurt a lot, he drops a lot of passes and he's prone to emotional melt downs. Yet he's still one of the Broncos most valuable assets. No way the Bills should offer anywhere near as much as I'd imagine the Broncos would want for him. IMO, Bills resources should go into improving the OLine. What's the 411 on Courtland Sutton? I'd like to add a contested catch guy to the roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, babulator said: Russ's noddle arm can't throw that far or that fast. Id give our 2nd without blinking. If a 2nd got it done absolutely. But 27th isn't out of the question. The wr talent at 27 probably won't be any where near jeudys talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: What's the 411 on Courtland Sutton? I'd like to add a contested catch guy to the roster Has Sutton ever been the same since the ACL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: We can probably get Hopkins for less than Jeudy. So I’d do that. Hopkins is much older than Jeudy and is coming off a drug suspension...I wouldn't give up anything more than a late-round pick for him. Edited March 13, 2023 by mannc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Has Sutton ever been the same since the ACL? I remember highlights from last season when he was open but Wilson couldn't hit him. He seemed really aggravated about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 moss and a 5th 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: If a 2nd got it done absolutely. But 27th isn't out of the question. The wr talent at 27 probably won't be any where near jeudys talent. I'm not against the 27th, just haven't studied the board enough to know who falls, and or a sense of what Beane wants there. 2nd is a no brainer for me though. We def still have big questions @ MLB and on DL (Edmunds & Oliver), but I like Jeudy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 id give a second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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