Chaos Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my NEW (feb 15) 2 round only mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. Edited February 15, 2023 by Chaos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Charlie Jones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 We don’t draft offense here. Only defense allowed. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, McBean said: We don’t draft offense here. Only defense allowed. I took two CBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I'd love any combination of Mauch, Schmitz, Avila or Vorhees. You gotta figure this is Morse's final season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Chaos said: It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. Love this. Football games are won up front. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Let me count the many threads the op has started to make the same point repeatedly…. Too many. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I'd love any combination of Mauch, Schmitz, Avila or Vorhees. You gotta figure this is Morse's final season. My never going to happen Mock traded away Morse and Saffold. Hard to see in the image. 11 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Let me count the many threads the op has started to make the same point repeatedly…. Too many. Never started a thread before on a mock draft, or about rebuilding online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 There is no way they spend that type of early draft capital on the OLine nor should they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chaos said: Never started a thread before on a mock draft, or about rebuilding online. …..and never started dozens of threads about how you can improve the Bills. Oh, wait this Turk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 What's the big obsession with Cody Mauck? I'd rather have a guy who excelled against other big boys. SEC, ACC, BIG 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Chaos said: Never started a thread before on a mock draft, or about rebuilding online. IMHO, my opinion here is this has been talked about ad nauseam and many posts have been started regarding this exact issue. So a reply may have been better than another thread. Nothing against you starting it. Just the overload of many threads on the same subject. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: What's the big obsession with Cody Mauck? I'd rather have a guy who excelled against other big boys. SEC, ACC, BIG 10. Actually, he looked pretty good as an IOL in the Senior Bowl practices, which is competition against the best Seniors the SEC, ACC and Big 10 had to offer. Of the interior linemen I saw, Torrence and Schmidt were the best. Mauch might have been down a notch, but not by much. Probably on the level of Avila from TCU, though they are different types of blockers. He was a fighter, as was advertised ad nauseum, but it was more than that. He moved his feet well, kept his man in front of him and wasn't backed up very often. The hair and the toothless grin had the publicity, but that isn't what makes him good. Id take him over... the center from Michigan..or Steen from Alabama, for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chaos said: It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. I quit looking when you traded an UFA Saffold who is not under contract for 2023. Edited February 10, 2023 by freddyjj 2 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 My enthusiasm would go down. But I am for trading UFAs for assets. 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Draconator said: IMHO, my opinion here is this has been talked about ad nauseam and many posts have been started regarding this exact issue. So a reply may have been better than another thread. Nothing against you starting it. Just the overload of many threads on the same subject. It is very easy to not read threads you are not interested in. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Yea Saffold is a FA. You can't trade him. And his value is less than a bag of peanuts anyway. I am up for taking a tackle in round one (if one falls to us) and an interior OL guy somewhere on day 2. I think Jones is super raw and he might be another of those Beane picks that either struggles or doesn't have a great impact as a rookie but he has the potential to be very good long term. If he fell to us at our spot I'd pick him I think. I have seen a few mocks recently where he does fall that far but my guess is in reality Skoronski, Johnson and Jones are all gone before #27. I think then an interior OL on day 2 is pretty much a given and would be sensible because I think it is where the value of this class is. It is a decent and relatively deep interior OL class. And the Bills have a need there. After that could we come back and grab a third OL on day 3? Sure. But that's more likely a developmental guy who doesn't start as a rookie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Chaos said: It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. Broderick Jones I do not think makes it to 27. Also why did you take 2 centers? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Broderick Jones I do not think makes it to 27. Also why did you take 2 centers? Center spine is the key to offensive consistency. Oops, wrong sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 So in your mock we're allowed to trade FAs and somehow a 7th round pick is gifted to us by the league? Damn we're getting the Pats treatment this offseason!😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 34 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Broderick Jones I do not think makes it to 27. Also why did you take 2 centers? I traded Morse. One will be guard / back up center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 This is ridiculous and won't happen because Bills have other needs. You could get value at LB,TE,S,or RB for example with those later picks but no guarantees those 4th and 6rh round OL picks amount to anything special Numerous teams manage to "gel" their offensive line without going crazy overboard in ONE draft. And how do you trade Saffold? He is a free agent. This lacks credibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quincy Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Sedrick Van Pran is returning to Georgia for the 2023 season. I don't know why his name has not been removed from the database? https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/sedrick-van-pran-georgia-starting-lineman-confirms-plans-for-2023/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Chaos said: It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. The Saints trade for Saffold? LMAO Besides being one of the worst ranked Guards in the league, he's a UFA anyway. Curious as to why you drafted 2 OTs back-to-back instead of getting a true Guard. Edited February 10, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I like your strategy of drafting three Jones'... a bold move The Bills need to protect Josh and this line could have possibilities ... LT - Jones LG - Dawkins C - Schmitz RG - Bates RT - Brown or Mauch ... (Either of these guys could move to RG) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 22 hours ago, Chaos said: It takes time for an oline to gel. Ours has had time and hasn't gelled. I think drafting an entire oline together (or most of an oline) and being able to keep them on rookie contracts for 4-5 years gives a team the best chance to build something special. This is my mock draft via the PFF simulator (PFF didn't love it). Flame away. I am more curious about what people think on trying to build a same age oline more than dinging or braising the individual players. Love Van Pran but he's going back to school. I think he'll go much earlier next year too. I think I'm hoping our first 4 picks are 2 OL, 1 WR, and 1 DT - not in that order necessarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, BrooklynBills said: Love Van Pran but he's going back to school. Javion Cohen isn't in the draft either. He transferred from Alabama to Miami. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I love the focus on the OL, but I'd like WR help on day 2 plus a WR FA unless we find a couple real OL bargains in FA -- Unlikely in a time when good OL are relatively few. I think signing WR FA talent will be a little easier since we are looking for a WR2. 15 hours ago, Chaos said: I traded Morse. One will be guard / back up center I could see this happening. He's pretty average now and probably overpaid. I would still be surprised, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 8:38 PM, Chaos said: I took two CBs White, Jackson,Johnson, Elam,Benford.. and you draft 2 more CBS? But not a S,RB,LB/Edge? I would take a WR earlier. And you can't assume teams will trade with you,especially a 2nd for Morse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 12 hours ago, frostbitmic said: I like your strategy of drafting three Jones'... a bold move The Bills need to protect Josh and this line could have possibilities ... LT - Jones LG - Dawkins C - Schmitz RG - Bates RT - Brown or Mauch ... (Either of these guys could move to RG) 8 hours ago, GreggTX said: I love the focus on the OL, but I'd like WR help on day 2 plus a WR FA unless we find a couple real OL bargains in FA -- Unlikely in a time when good OL are relatively few. I think signing WR FA talent will be a little easier since we are looking for a WR2. 15 hours ago, Chaos said: I traded Morse. One will be guard / back up center I could see this happening. He's pretty average now and probably overpaid. I would still be surprised, though. The title of the post includes the phrase “ never going to happen” but it was me agianst PFfs draft simulator. And inn tHt world it all came together 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I appreciate the work that went into this That’s too many offensive lineman in one draft You have to figure that we’re definitely gonna draft at least one and then we’re probably gonna bring in a veteran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I appreciate the work that went into this That’s too many offensive lineman in one draft You have to figure that we’re definitely gonna draft at least one and then we’re probably gonna bring in a veteran Beane always says free agency is for filling holes, so I'd expect him to sign a replacement for Saffold before the draft as well as average guys to compete for positions where we lose salary cap casulties. (RB, S, LB, LG, DL & probably at least 1 WR) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 2/9/2023 at 9:24 PM, I am the egg man said: Let me count the many threads the op has started to make the same point repeatedly…. Too many. Well, he's right. It's never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 What's wrong with the online? If we're all posting on here.. why does it need to be rebuilt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 You lost me at "online"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I’d alternate WR and OL in the first 4 rounds. 2 of each.. and then go BPA. But for some reason I’m not a GM.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I wouldn't mind drafting a pair of olinemen high in the draft. I'm also hoping for a WR. I'd take a WR first and then maybe oline in rounds 2 and 3. Also, regardless of past failures on the defensive line, it is still a problem. You don't stop addressing a problem because you failed before. The dline needs to be fixed as well. Von coming back will help, and Rousseau is good. But we need a better 3rd edge rusher to come off the bench. Settle turned out to be a non-factor, and Phillips is always hurt, so we need a better interior dlineman off the bench as well. Draft or free agency, but these positions need to be addressed too. And if we don't sign Edmunds, MLB is the #1 position to address on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Our OL hasn't "gelled" because it's comprised of JAGs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I can't see taking interior OL in the first. 1st round is for WR, DE, CB where elite speed and twitchy athleticism can best be found. Fine with Rd 2 and after. 1st round also for securing a player on a 5 (vs 4) year rookie contract. That all shifts a bit if there isn't the value in the position when you pick. For late picks, give me raw athletes and coach them up. No Luke Tenutas. Also, I'm not impressed by the G/T combo player thing so much. Completely fine with a guy that is strictly a guard/center and knows his role. 6'7" but gets blown up does nothing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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