Bills now no longer have 2 fifths but one fifth and one sixth

[dave mcbride]

Hines’ playing time/production exacted a fifth round pick rather than a sixth from the Bills. The Bills have six picks in total now - one each in rounds one through six. Definitely not great for an important draft year. The picks are all late-round ones except for the fifth rounder, which is from AZ. I have to think they’ll try desperately to trade out of the late first for more picks unless a player they love at either WR or OL falls to them.

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[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I still don't see why the fifth round pick has to be from Arizona.  And does that apply to the pick's school, or state of residence? 🤔🤨

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😁 I know...New England gets a conditional draft pick because I asked...

[Captain_Quint]

Yeah a trade down at some point seems imminent this year. 

 

 

 

 

[strive_for_five_guy]

Wonder what level of playing time/production it was conditional upon

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Wonder what level of playing time/production it was conditional upon

I have no idea just a guess but I feel it was the two kick return TDs that did it.

[uticaclub]

We should use our picks to trade for proven players. I have no confidence in Beane hitting on any, let alone multiple draft picks

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Wonder what level of playing time/production it was conditional upon

 

I think he had 3 touchdowns total, right? Two returns and a reception. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I remember just last year when we were talking about how the players we take at the back end of the draft had no chance to make this roster and we should trade up with them.

[nucci]

isn't every year an important draft year?

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

isn't every year an important draft year?

Yes.  We are entering the season of saying the same things about the draft we did the previous 10 years and claiming as a new thought.  

[dave mcbride]

37 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I have no idea just a guess but I feel it was the two kick return TDs that did it.

Agreed.

26 minutes ago, nucci said:

isn't every year an important draft year?

In the abstract, yes, but if you're a built-to-win now team, It's less important when you have a ton of cap space and can spend money on high end FAs. The Bills can't do that. 

[longtimebillsfan]

33 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

We should use our picks to trade for proven players. I have no confidence in Beane hitting on any, let alone multiple draft picks

How do you fit the salaries for these players you want to trade for under the salary cap?

 

We have to hit on some key draft picks.

[Bongo]

26 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Yes.  We are entering the season of saying the same things about the draft we did the previous 10 years and claiming as a new thought.  

A tale as old as time….

[DrDawkinstein]

Doubly frustrating then on how little and poorly he was used.

[4merper4mer]

51 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Agreed.

In the abstract, yes, but if you're a built-to-win now team, It's less important when you have a ton of cap space and can spend money on high end FAs. The Bills can't do that. 

So the 5th round pick becoming a sixth was the straw that broke the camel’s back and doomed the Bills?  Shirley.

[MrEpsYtown]

Beane seems to want to come away with 7 picks, the full allotment. So I am guessing he will find a way to get it back. They have some work to do. 

[T master]

It would be nice to have more picks for sure especially this year but i believe Beane will do what he does & find a handful of players that can contribute this year i just hope a few of them can be in place during OTA's & prove they are worthy starters like Teller would have been .

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, GolfandBills said:

Yes.  We are entering the season of saying the same things about the draft we did the previous 10 years and claiming as a new thought.  

Cmon, this is most important draft since drafting Bruce since we need to protect the most important player since Bruce.  Now that’s a new thought. Lol.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

isn't every year an important draft year?

 

Nuch being Nucci.  Thank you, Sir.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

The condition was “If the player returns 2 Kickoffs against a divisional opponent while below freezing, the pick turns into a 5th”

 

Seemed like a great condition originally. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[CNYfan]

The Bills don't just need contributors, they really need an impact player, or two.  A dynamic difference maker.

[Airseven]

To be fair, considering Beane’s draft prowess, they were getting 6th/7th round value with that 5th anyway.

[vtnatefootball11]

This stings a bit. And it makes Hines usage even more questionable.  How did we barely use him, but he costs us a 5th round pick, oh and by the way, his salary is quite high for a running back (close to $5mil) and if he doesn't take a huge paycut this offseason we will have to cut him.  Not a good look for the FO. 

[dave mcbride]

46 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

So the 5th round pick becoming a sixth was the straw that broke the camel’s back and doomed the Bills?  Shirley.

Not my point at all, but whatevs.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We should use our picks to trade for proven players. I have no confidence in Beane hitting on any, let alone multiple draft picks

Based on what?

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

The condition was “If the player returns 2 Kickoffs against a divisional opponent while below freezing, the pick turns into a 5th”

 

Seemed like a great condition originally. 

It may have been something like wins an "NFL player of the week award," which he did (ST player of the week for the NE game). Not that I have any idea of what precisely triggered it, of course. 

[uticaclub]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Based on what?

His draft record

1 hour ago, longtimebillsfan said:

How do you fit the salaries for these players you want to trade for under the salary cap?

 

We have to hit on some key draft picks.

I agree our cap situation is not ideal, but do you have any confidence that we hit big on any draft picks?

Edited February 7, 2023 by uticaclub

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

I am looking forward to hearing about how terrible the Bills are at drafting based on the hindsight of looking back at someone who is successful on another team in the NFL and was selected after a less successful player drafted by the Bills. Those 'analyses' are priceless. 

[4merper4mer]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not my point at all, but whatevs.

Title of thread, first part of your post, but not your point?  Is this thread about where to find the best pizza?  If so, please let me know.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he had 3 touchdowns total, right? Two returns and a reception. 

 

the bar is very low.

[4merper4mer]

22 minutes ago, Airseven said:

To be fair, considering Beane’s draft prowess, they were getting 6th/7th round value with that 5th anyway.

 

[boater]

21 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

I am looking forward to hearing about how terrible the Bills are at drafting based on the hindsight of looking back at someone who is successful on another team in the NFL and was selected after a less successful player drafted by the Bills. Those 'analyses' are priceless. 

The Mahomes Phenomena.

[uticaclub]

10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

Just because Zay Jones, Boogie, AJ, Zach Moss & Cody Ford are still in the NFL, those are 5 Day 2 picks that contribute nothing to the current Bills

Edited February 7, 2023 by uticaclub

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Just because Zay Jones, Boogie, AJ, Zach Moss & Cody Ford are still in the NFL, those are 5 2nd picks that contribute nothing to the current Bills

 

It is still a pretty insane number. And that is the point with Beane. He drafts very few outright busts. Most guys he picks can play in the NFL. Maybe Cody Ford might be the one exception on that list. But the others are NFL players. Where he has struggled more is drafting the difference makers. 

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Doubly frustrating then on how little and poorly he was used.

 

The entire evolution through which Beane ended up with Hines was nothing short of a shitshow, culminating with yet another player being underutilized/misused, altogether.

 

This kind of crap has been happening throughout this regime's tenure.

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Just because Zay Jones, Boogie, AJ, Zach Moss & Cody Ford are still in the NFL, those are 5 Day 2 picks that contribute nothing to the current Bills

Subjectivity should definitely be held in higher regard objectivity when making illogical statements.

[Success]

I trust Beane to maximize this draft.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if we trade down a few times and end up w/ 8 picks total, or something like that.  

 

You can get starting O-linemen in the middle rounds.  They can probably also get the WR they need in the 2nd.

 

[dave mcbride]

28 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Title of thread, first part of your post, but not your point?  Is this thread about where to find the best pizza?  If so, please let me know.

My point is not catastrophism, which is you're imputing (i.e., the snarky "doomed"), but rather an unexpected handicap at the margins in the draft this year. I'd rather not have to deal with the handicap, but that's just me. They're drafting late without a full set of picks along with zero comp picks and they need some successes because they're going to be hard-pressed to take advantage of the FA market the next couple of years. Having an expected fifth get pushed back to the sixth is the sort of thing that reduces the draft capital they'll need to get a mid-round player (e.g., a move up to the fourth/late third or something like that) they really like. The sky isn't falling. But I wish the Bills had a better slate of picks than they do given that we're now in the massive-Allen-contract era. 

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Hines’ playing time/production exacted a fifth round pick rather than a sixth from the Bills. The Bills have six picks in total now - one each in rounds one through six. Definitely not great for an important draft year. The picks are all late-round ones except for the fifth rounder, which is from AZ. I have to think they’ll try desperately to trade out of the late first for more picks unless a player they love at either WR or OL falls to them.

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I'm in all favor of them trading down as much as possible in exchange for more picks/more bodies joining the organization.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Success said:

I trust Beane to maximize this draft.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if we trade down a few times and end up w/ 8 picks total, or something like that.  

 

You can get starting O-linemen in the middle rounds.  They can probably also get the WR they need in the 2nd.

 

 

I can definitely seeing us trading out of the 1st and into the 2nd, and picking up a mid/late round pick in the process. Move from 27 to somewhere around 35.