Dan Orlovsky All-Time QB list

[KeLLy1278]

4 minutes ago, Airseven said:

The top 2 are Brady followed by Montana. After that, you can reorder the rest of the top 10 all day.

Agree.  It gets messy after that.  I would put Unitas at number 3 but that’s just me.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 Joe Montana is easily #2 on the QB all-time list, going 4-0 in Super Bowls. But it not just the 4-0 record that's impressive. In his last 3 Super Bowl appearances ranging from the 84 season through 89 he was 69/100, 69%, 985 yards, 10 tds, 0 ints and a QB Rating of 134. He had a QB Rating of at least 100.0 in all 4 Super Bowls. That's in a time period where defenses could get away with alot more in both defending WRs and crushing the QB. 

 

 

 

 

[chongli]

For those who didn't want to click on the article link, here is the tweet:

 

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by chongli

[peterpan]

Brady is a huge cheater and shouldn’t be on the list 

[KeLLy1278]

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

If it wasn't for the Bills, then Marino probably has a ring or two. The Dolphins could never get past the Bills. The Kelly-Marino years were some of the best battles in the NFL at that time.

“If”.. Marino would have been demolished by The Giants, Redskins & Cowboys had complete teams typical of what gave Marino trouble. Kelly outplayed him many times head to head both in the reg season & playoffs.

Marino was the best regular season QB of the 80s stats wise.  That’s where the compliments end for him from me.. everyone has an opinion.  
 

Steve Young had a tremendous run after Montana left.. if it wasn’t for the stacked Cowboy teams, Steve would have won three rings.  It is what it is.

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

“If”.. Marino would have been demolished by The Giants, Redskins & Cowboys had complete teams typical of what gave Marino trouble. Kelly outplayed him many times head to head both in the reg season & playoffs.

Marino was the best regular season QB of the 80s stats wise.  That’s where the compliments end for him from me.. everyone has an opinion.  
 

Steve Young had a tremendous run after Montana left.. if it wasn’t for the stacked Cowboy teams, Steve would have won three rings.  It is what it is.

 

I think they could have gotten by the Giants. The Bills SHOULD HAVE but didn't. The Redskins and Cowboys probably beat the Dolphins.

[KeLLy1278]

8 minutes ago, chongli said:

For those who didn't want to click on the article link, here is the tweet:

 

 

1)Tom Brady 

2)Joe Montana

3)Johnny U

 

After that I truly don’t know..  you can make a case for many players rounding out the top 5 or 10.  One thing that I just remembered is the most talented arm I have ever seen in the NFL.  Jeff George.

talk about wasted talent.  I saw him throw 

65 yards across the field into the wind vs the Jets once.  The guy had an effortless cannon for an arm.  Best I have ever seen as far as arm strength.  That’s would be a fun thread all it’s own.

 

5 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I think they could have gotten by the Giants. The Bills SHOULD HAVE but didn't. The Redskins and Cowboys probably beat the Dolphins.

Agree.  Buffalo was the better team. The Bills should have beaten Dallas in their second SB meeting too.  Instead of that, they literally fell apart and Dallas picked up the pieces.  I do stand by my post though.  The Dolphins weren’t good enough to win against any of those teams imo.

[Irv]

Any all-time QB list excluding Brian Brohm is essentially pointless.   

[thenorthremembers]

4 hours ago, Draconator said:

Brady was a product of a system. He also lost Superbowls. Montana never lost a Superbowl. Montana should be #1. 

So why has that system never worked with any other QB?

[Real McClappy]

Such different era though.

 

How well do Brady, Mahomes and Peyton survive in the 80-90's versus Elway, Marino and Montana that did? QB position is so different now. About the only QB today that could survive in that age is honestly Josh Allen IMO. 

[US Egg]

What? No mention of 3x SB loser Fran Tarkenton?

 

Only the best QB to host a non sports TV show. That’s Incredible.

[thenorthremembers]

If you look at stats, both regular season and playoffs, and average them out by total games, then also factor in win% for both, total playoff wins, super bowl wins, and MVPS the list would look something like this.

 

1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Patrick Mahomes
4. Brett Favre
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Drew Brees
7. Aaron Rodgers
8. John Elway
9. Joe Montana
10. Dan Marino

Incredible to think Mahomes has done this much in such a short period of time.  

 

 

 

[Golden*Wheels]

He really stepped out of the end zone on this one.

 

(I love to rep Uconn guys who make the NFL as a CT native, we don't get a lot to the pros...but man am I sick of this guy.)

[Rico]

40 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

“If”.. Marino would have been demolished by The Giants, Redskins & Cowboys had complete teams typical of what gave Marino trouble. Kelly outplayed him many times head to head both in the reg season & playoffs.

Marino was the best regular season QB of the 80s stats wise.  That’s where the compliments end for him from me.. everyone has an opinion.  
 

Steve Young had a tremendous run after Montana left.. if it wasn’t for the stacked Cowboy teams, Steve would have won three rings.  It is what it is.

Steve Young had a tremendous run for 1 year, and that’s it. Great regular season QB though. It is what it is.

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

rodgers will be a footnote in the history of the nfl in 12-15 years like kelly, favre, testeverde, and many others.

 

i'd rank eli over him because eli could perform when it mattered.

brady rode a defense for another ring. 

a lot of people suffering from recency bias i see

[NewEra]

Elway top 3 🤣 

 

I thought Steve Young was 10X better than Elway.  Not sure if Elway would be in my

top 10 tbh

[Gregg]

Another one to remember is Terry Bradshaw. Granted those Steelers teams were loaded. Great defense, Franco, Swann, Stallworth. He did QB them to 4 championships.

[B-Large]

While a fun post season column topic, I think its nearly impossible to compare players from 30 years ago, to players today.  Its a very different game for a variety of reasons.  

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

Left Rodgers off??? Dan Marino was not better than Aaron Rodgers…smh

 

Absolutely. 

 

Hate Rodgers, the man, all you want.  Rodgers, the QB, is best I've ever seen from a talent perspective. Release, accuracy, velocity, ball placement and efficiency - there's no one better.

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I think Mahomes could eventually be #2 and potentially even #1, but there's no chance he is now. 1 Super Bowl win and if they lose next week and his knee bends backwards and he never played again I don't even think he's top 10

 

Mahomes is already a Hall of Famer, 6 years into his career.  How many QBs in history can you say that about?  Certainly not 10.  

[Donuts and Doritos]

Um, Orlovsky stepped out the back of an end zone for a safety, so I take what he says w/ a wee bit of salt.

 

https://youtu.be/J0OkR986LL4

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[dave mcbride]

5 hours ago, Draconator said:

Brady was a product of a system. He also lost Superbowls. Montana never lost a Superbowl. Montana should be #1. 

Losing SBs is way more impressive than not reaching them. 7-3 in 10 games is way more impressive than both 7-0 and especially 4-0.

[boyst]

47 minutes ago, StHustle said:

a lot of people suffering from recency bias i see

No bias. Just opinion. I'd rather take a guy who was a part of successful championship teams than a guy whose accolades are of personal merit. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, StHustle said:

Left Rodgers off??? Dan Marino was not better than Aaron Rodgers…smh

 

They played in a different era so hard to compare.  What would be interesting to compare QB against entire league averages.  My gut tells me Marino would be further above average than Rodgers.  He was great in a non passing time frame.

 

Montana was fabulous in SB's.  Other times good, but not that amazing.

 

No way Mahomes should be on the list at this point in career.

[KDIGGZ]

31 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Mahomes is already a Hall of Famer, 6 years into his career.  How many QBs in history can you say that about?  Certainly not 10.  

Doesn't matter, he doesn't have the career of those guys...yet. Bo Jackson might have been a top 5 RB but we'll never know because he shattered his hip. Mahomes is surely on the path to greatness but not there yet 

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, LeviF said:

John Elway is kind of nuts but if he had been replaced by Montana there’s not a lot to complain about. 

Elway is Maybe 3, Mahomes shouldn’t be there. YET. 
 

Brady

Montana

P Manning

Elway

Marino

 

 

[Mc1320]

Orlovsky is a fail clown - just pull up the video of him running 5 yards deep past the end line in the end zone on one of the 12 NFL snaps he took in his career.

[2003Contenders]

These lists are so subjective. Do you base it on physical talent? Accolades? Championships? Blazing trails? A combination?

 

It is also very difficult judging guys across different eras -- and different offensive schemes. Some (Bradshaw, Starr) were blessed with surrounding talent.  Others... not so much.

 

Guys like Otto Graham (who won even more championships than Brady) and Johnny Unitas (who more or less defined the modern passing game) deserve to be considered.

 

While Dan Marino may have been the greatest PASSER who ever lived, I would not put him on a top 5 list. When it comes to Marino, I always thought of him in the same light that Jimmy Johnson once said when comparing Barry Sanders to E. Smith. He said that Barry may have been the greatest RUNNER because he was so dynamic with the ball in his hand. However, he said that Smith was the better RUNNING BACK because in addition to being a great runner, he was also great in pass protection, a quality receiver out of the backfield, and he knew when to lower his shoulder to get the tough few yards. In that vein I say Marino was arguably the greatest PASSER -- but his poor ball-handling skills, lack of mobility, and lack of post-season success places him further down the list as a great QUARTERBACK.

 

I also could never place Drew Brees on a list like this, although he posted insane numbers in his career. Yes, he was one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history, but he also thrived in good weather and dome conditions. I remember back in his 2nd (I believe) year in the league, the Chargers played us in Buffalo. He absolutely could NOT throw the ball in those conditions -- I am talking Chad Pennington level noodle-arm. The Chargers ending up benching him for Flutie in that game.

 

My top four would be (in no particular order)

 

J. Elway

J. Montana

P. Manning

T. Brady

 

Then it gets really difficult for me to figure out the 5th. I am leaning toward Unitas.

 

[Alphadawg7]

Top 5:

 

1.  Brady

2. Montana

3. Mahomes (yes he is already that good)

4. Elway

5. Manning

[PrimeTime101]

7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Flame away!!

 

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/top-stories/espn-analysts-top-5-quarterbacks-ever-list-is-going-viral

this dude gets paid for clicks. Montana not on the list is an insult. Mahomes just half way through his career is an insult. 

[ArtVandalay]

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Flame away!!

 

https://thespun.com/.amp/more/top-stories/espn-analysts-top-5-quarterbacks-ever-list-is-going-viral

Replace Elway with Flutie and we are good. 

[Warriorspikes51]

1. Brady
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Marino
5. Elway
6. Favre
7. Brees

 

Edited February 3, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

6 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

No love for Bart Starr, Otto Graham, Johnny U, etc.?

Otto Graham…but his list is “what have you done for me lately”.

[First Round Bust]

top 3 for dog damn sure:  Brady, Montana, P Manning...

 

who be the next two to ound out the top 5 ?  Marino ?  all those pass stats during the run-the-ball era...no rings...what about Favre or Brees with one each and big-time pass records ?  Elway top 10...maybe not 5.

 

fyi: below...recency bias says Bradshaw not top 5 maybe not 10 ?  Swann and Stallworth his WRs are in the HoF..no way to Aikman or Ben..could Eli be top 10 ?

 

QBs with more than 1 super bowl win:

Tom Brady – 7.

Joe Montana – 4.

Terry Bradshaw – 4.

Troy Aikman – 3.

Eli Manning – 2.

Peyton Manning – 2.

Ben Roethlisberger – 2.

John Elway – 2.

[Mikie2times]

Dan Orvlosky used to be somebody I enjoyed watching. He was knowledgeable and covered the game more intellectually. The more he was around Stephen A, the more he became Skip Bayless.   

[frostbitmic]

Where is Orlovsky on this list ?

[Chaos]

12 hours ago, Draconator said:

Brady was a product of a system. He also lost Superbowls. Montana never lost a Superbowl. Montana should be #1. 

Did he take the system to Tampa Bay?

[SoCal Deek]

6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Elway is Maybe 3, Mahomes shouldn’t be there. YET. 
 

Brady

Montana

P Manning

Elway

Marino

 

 

This list looks about right to me. 

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Doesn't matter, he doesn't have the career of those guys...yet. Bo Jackson might have been a top 5 RB but we'll never know because he shattered his hip. Mahomes is surely on the path to greatness but not there yet 

 

I get the analogy, but Bo never had a 1,000 yard season.  Mahomes is already a Super Bowl champ, has multiple appearances and is about to be a 2-time league MVP.

 

He has eclipsed the careers of many in a much shorter span.  It won't be held against him, particularly if wins his 2nd ring next weekend.  

Edited February 4, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[AuntieEm]

10 hours ago, LeviF said:

 

Based on current trajectory the only question re: Mahomes is whether he will win enough rings to make the GOAT debate interesting.

 

   And Josh Allen and the Bills plan to ruin his ring collecting by grabbing a number of rings for themselves.

 

 

Edited February 4, 2023 by AuntieEm