Would you resign Edmunds or a tackle?

[Yantha]

I'd sign Edmunds and draft OL early and often.

[JerseyBills]

I think Edmund's is our first FA priority.  

I trust they'll have a plan B and add another FA to a similar contract but I'd take Maine and go heavy on O in the draft

 

I'm also much higher on him than the majority on here

Edited February 1, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Adam727]

The reason I would let Edmunds walk this offseason is specifically that I would rather have an OT or WR with the money that would go to Edmunds.

 

That said, if the price is only 4 years 44 Mil I'd resign Edmunds and not think twice.  You're unlikely to get a difference maker for that price.  

 

For $15mil+/year I think Edmunds will get, I'd go find that WR or OT.  

 

 

[GreggTX]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Nope. McGlinchey is not that good. he is going to get paid a ridiculous amount because there is no one else out there. He is a little better than Spencer Brown right now. Not 14 million a year better. Screw that. 

 

And please don't respond with PFF garbage. 

 

PFF GARBAGE!

 

[LABILLBACKER]

33 minutes ago, Adam727 said:

The reason I would let Edmunds walk this offseason is specifically that I would rather have an OT or WR with the money that would go to Edmunds.

 

That said, if the price is only 4 years 44 Mil I'd resign Edmunds and not think twice.  You're unlikely to get a difference maker for that price.  

 

For $15mil+/year I think Edmunds will get, I'd go find that WR or OT.  

 

 

For 11M Absolutely...here's the pen. But for 15+ sorry I'm spending that on 2 olineman. 

[US Egg]

Just don’t see Edmunds as a must keep player, especially at top buck.

 

Feel he’s replaceable. Front and back are bigger concerns defensively.

[PrimeTime101]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Nope. McGlinchey is not that good. he is going to get paid a ridiculous amount because there is no one else out there. He is a little better than Spencer Brown right now. Not 14 million a year better. Screw that. 

 

And please don't respond with PFF garbage. 

PFF is garbage or godly only when you want it to be. LOOK at all his numbers on PFF they look great with overall. "pay attention to them when they bad" "Ignore PFF when they good"

 

I look at all the PFF numbers then look at the story.

 

MvGinchey overcame a quad injury in the beginning of the year and took him time to get to speed. While yes he allowed a ton of sacks, his PFF grades are amazing. Better than any lineman we have now... and you say his is not good? just stop... he is one of the 2 chess pieces we need on this line and if we can double dip in the draft to find the other pieces so be it.

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

I'm sure we'll sign *a* tackle. David Quessenberry was on a one year deal so we'll need to replace him. But given our cap situation, I don't know that either re-signing Edmunds or getting a stud OT is an option.

 

As Beane said, we won't be major players in Free Agency with the lack of space we have and the amount of bodies we'll need to re-sign or bring in, having 25 Free Agents this offseason.

 

I see another Quessenberry level Tackle coming in via FA and/or a Draft Pick between Rounds 2-4 and a competition with Spencer Brown. Would be nice to get a stud plug and play via FA but I don't see it happening with what that costs.

Edited February 1, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[GreggTX]

There are very few really good RT's in the NFL right now. If we can get one of them, we should. Otherwise, keep Edmunds and scout the heck out of this rookie class. I'd even trade up if a potential probowl caliber OT is there. If not, look at WR first then OL/3-Tech. Stop saying no one drafts for need. EVERY team drafts for need EVERY year then swears they were only taking BPA. Seriously, have you not noticed this?

 

 

Edited February 1, 2023 by GreggTX

[Dr.Sack]

Edmunds should be resigned, franchise tagged if necessary. 

[newcam2012]

50 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Edmunds should be resigned, franchise tagged if necessary. 

Guy had one good year in 5 years. That year happened to be a contract year. 

 

Real question is will he continue to play well and get even better or will he revert back to his previous 4 years of play because he got paid? Tough call. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

At 11m, I'd sign Edmunds to a 10 yr contract.  He'd be what like 25 at the end of it?😉.

 

Seriously though, at that price I'd re-sign him. At 16-17+, I'd pass and sign a couple of OL and draft his replacement. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by LyndonvilleBill

[Yantha]

When you have a high level player, you rarely let them walk.  

 

 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

Edmunds is a fine player. That being said, I'm not sure that keeping together the core of a team that couldn't go all the way while further increasing the cost base is the best course of action.

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, Yantha said:

I'd sign Edmunds and draft OL early and often.

Why would I waste 20 large on a good LB who rarely makes impact plays, while I've watched my franchise qb run for his life these 5 years.  

[Dopey]

10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Why would I waste 20 large on a good LB who rarely makes impact plays, while I've watched my franchise qb run for his life these 5 years.  

You wouldn’t. We know this already.  You’ve explained your thoughts on this topic, ad nausea. Kinda sounds like  “the election was rigged “. 
Why not ask Yantha why he/she would? That would make a lot more sense. 
 

[BillMafia716ix]

Edmunds is our main priority this off-season. I expect they will get it done. 

[Boatdrinks]

Sign an OL

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Edmunds is our main priority this off-season. I expect they will get it done. 

Main priority is protecting Josh Allen. 

[Billz4ever]

On 1/31/2023 at 9:48 AM, 78thealltimegreat said:

Interesting discussion from Joe on WGR this morning where according to analysts a 4 year deal is about 44 million for Tremaine which the Bills can definitely afford…

Or would you be ok with going after someone like a Mike McGlinchey in San Francisco who is roughly the same contract over 4 years and with other decisions in San Fran likely to hit the open market he would definitely solidify RT…but LB being a priority in the draft.

I like Tremaine but man I’d sleep a little easier not playing a rookie or Brown on Josh’s other side. 

That's basically the contract we gave Milano (4 year, $41,500,000) plus inflation.

 

I have always said if we can get him to sign for the deal we gave Milano, we should do it.  I see him getting more than that if he wants to test the market though.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I honestly don’t think Edmunds fits into a lot of other defenses. He is a cover LB that sometimes takes bad angles and shoots the wrong gap. He is a solid tackler but has very little value rushing the QB. He fits a cover 2 style defense that is also in nickel a lot. I wouldn’t pay him over 4 years 47mil for what he brings to the table.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I'd like to keep Edmunds but I fear he's going to want Roquan money

[LabattBlue]

All the cap $$$ spent on defense and what where the playoff numbers from the last 3 years?  I would much rather bolster the offense and if needed, hope you can beat anyone in a shootout. 
 

Edmunds see ya. Poyer see ya.  Oliver see ya. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by LabattBlue

[MrEpsYtown]

49 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I honestly don’t think Edmunds fits into a lot of other defenses. He is a cover LB that sometimes takes bad angles and shoots the wrong gap. He is a solid tackler but has very little value rushing the QB. He fits a cover 2 style defense that is also in nickel a lot. I wouldn’t pay him over 4 years 47mil for what he brings to the table.

 

He is a perfect fit for what Chicago likes to do and they have 100 million in cap, zero linebackers, and a QB on a rookie contract. 

Edited February 1, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

You wouldn’t. We know this already.  You’ve explained your thoughts on this topic, ad nausea. Kinda sounds like  “the election was rigged “. 
Why not ask Yantha why he/she would? That would make a lot more sense. 
 

Well dopey if I've made you nauseous I've accomplished my goal.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 1/31/2023 at 11:02 AM, Big Turk said:

Edmunds is likely gone...someone is going to pay WELL above $11 million a year for him and the franchise tag is $20.9 million, so that isn't a realistic option either. Only hope is if he pulls a Milano and takes less to stay...he openly said how much he loves it here, how he loves the team, the coaches and the locker room...I guess we will see just how much. Perhaps a 6 or 7 year deal that gives him more in guarantees but helps save some money? Trade longer term and more guarantees for less overall money?

Sport trac sets his value at $11 million. It’s usually right on. who is paying him Roquan money…? 
 

 

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Sport trac sets his value at $11 million. It’s usually right on. who is paying him Roquan money…? 
 

 

 

Nobody but someone is paying him north of $15 million a year most likely 

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'd like to keep Edmunds but I fear he's going to want Roquan money

If he thinks he can get Roquan money he should go for it, but at the same time, not expect to play for the Bills next season.

 

[HeHateMe]

I'd move on and save that money for Oline / WR help.  Had his best year this year and I still don't want to pay him 15/Per..  Invest in your LINE!!!

[benderbender]

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/31/2023 at 7:52 AM, Gregg said:

I would go OL at this point. A strong OL will allow Josh to have time in the pocket to find open receivers. A strong OL will mean a better running game with the running backs doing the running instead of #17. Allen running for his life and taking too many hits needs to stop since he is the franchise of the Bills.

Tremaine is going to do nothing to extend Josh's career.

[Success]

Losing Edmunds would be a gaping hole for our defense right now. We just don't have a bunch of good or great LB's on the roster.

 

Maybe Bernard has more potential than we've seen, but it's a big risk.  An argument can be made that Edmunds really sets the tone for the whole D.  He'd be a huge loss.

 

[DCofNC]

I’m an Edmunds hater, that said, if you can keep him for $11M, you do it.  That’s mid trot money for a guy who’s still only 13 and can develop more.   He had a career year, not saying a lot IMO, but he did. If you can get him at that price point, go for it.  
 

I suspect the real market for him is 17-18M and at that I’m waaaaay out.  I’m sure there are teams looking at him as untapped potential to use his speed/size in a more aggressive scheme and they’re sort of right.  If you let him chase the ball, he’s going to be better than this situation where we ask him to rely on instincts he’s never had.  

 

Either go grab La’Vonte David for a 5M/yr discount or look to the draft, the way we use LBs Edmunds won’t be special here.

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

Losing Edmunds would be a gaping hole for our defense right now. We just don't have a bunch of good or great LB's on the roster.

 

Maybe Bernard has more potential than we've seen, but it's a big risk.  An argument can be made that Edmunds really sets the tone for the whole D.  He'd be a huge loss.

 

There’s definitely options between paying Edmunds $15m+ per year and starting Bernard.  I’d rather spend that $15m+ on offense or D-Line.  I’d also try to get Oliver’s $10m+ off the books.  If i’m spending that money on defense, I’d much rather a $5-7m per year Edmunds replacement plus Payne or Hargrave for the same price of Edmunds and Oliver.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BuffaloRebound said:

There’s definitely options between paying Edmunds $15m+ per year and starting Bernard.  I’d rather spend that $15m+ on offense or D-Line.  I’d also try to get Oliver’s $10m+ off the books.  If i’m spending that money on defense, I’d much rather a $5-7m per year Edmunds replacement plus Payne or Hargrave for the same price of Edmunds and Oliver.  

 

See the post below. The easiest way to get him under $10M is to re-sign him. At least for the first year or two, and hope the cap goes up enough to absorb the contract as it grows.

 

I'd bring him back on the Smith deal. $9M next year, $13M year 2. That is plenty of runway for the cap to grow.

 

On 1/31/2023 at 5:53 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Here's what we are looking at for the Edmunds deal:

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/roquan-smith-25103/

 

 

Not too bad if we could actually get something like this done. Get that hit down from $12M this year to $9M next year, have an out after 3 years.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

See the post below. The easiest way to get him under $10M is to re-sign him. At least for the first year or two, and hope the cap goes up enough to absorb the contract as it grows.

 

I'd bring him back on the Smith deal. $9M next year, $13M year 2. That is plenty of runway for the cap to grow.

 

 

I’m not a fan of paying Oliver more than $7-8m per year or Edmunds more than $11-12m per year.  With Josh we’re trying to win Super Bowls not be happy to make playoffs every year.  OL, WR#2, and even RB is where the money needs to be spent this off-season.  

[GunnerBill]

On 1/31/2023 at 3:48 PM, 78thealltimegreat said:

Interesting discussion from Joe on WGR this morning where according to analysts a 4 year deal is about 44 million for Tremaine which the Bills can definitely afford…

Or would you be ok with going after someone like a Mike McGlinchey in San Francisco who is roughly the same contract over 4 years and with other decisions in San Fran likely to hit the open market he would definitely solidify RT…but LB being a priority in the draft.

I like Tremaine but man I’d sleep a little easier not playing a rookie or Brown on Josh’s other side. 

 

McGlinchey isn't that good IMO so I wouldn't overpay for him. But if I could trade for a left tackle.... I have suggested Jake Matthews, slide Dion Dawkins to left guard.... and the cost of that was not being able to keep Tremaine.... then I am willing to talk. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’m not a fan of paying Oliver more than $7-8m per year or Edmunds more than $11-12m per year.  With Josh we’re trying to win Super Bowls not be happy to make playoffs every year.  OL, WR#2, and even RB is where the money needs to be spent this off-season.  

 

Good news then, we wouldnt be paying Edmunds that much for a couple more years.

 

We dont have much money to spend on anyone, let alone high-$$ positions like WR and OL. Those are likely going to come via the draft.

[Chaos]

The issue with Edmunds is DC.  It seems possible that any DC other than Fraizer would want a different type of linebacker.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The issue with Edmunds is DC.  It seems possible that any DC other than Fraizer would want a different type of linebacker.

 

 

It's McD's scheme. So even if we replace Frazier, expect a DC who runs something like what we already have. Maybe with different playcalling or strategy, but the base D will likely be the same or very similar.

 

That sucks for fans who want a change, but is good news for if we re-sign Edmunds.