Warriorspikes51 Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Yes. Trade him for the best Guard or OT you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 I’d be good with it. Love Ed, but big decisions are on the horizon and if we can bolster our OL or Wr by trading Ed, I’m down. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 hours ago, NewEra said: I’d be good with it. Love Ed, but big decisions are on the horizon and if we can bolster our OL or Wr by trading Ed, I’m down. It depends on the compensation though. What’s your bottom line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 For what? A bag of balls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: For what? A bag of balls? He has value. I would walk away for anything less than a 2nd round pick. Some times the best deal is the deal you don’t make. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancing_joker Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Would you take a 4th round pick and we retain 5 mill of his guaranteed 11 mill salary? I’d take that deal all day. Gives us $6 million to address real issues with like resigning Tremaine Edmunds. Have you seen our cap? We’re $21 mill over with none of our current free agents signed. I know the cap will go up $10-15 mill at least…but we’re screwed boys https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Yes. Trade him for the best Guard or OT you can get. We don’t need another Spencer Brown or Roger Saffold thank you very much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Another Beane blunder, with the 5th year option, he’s virtually unreadable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 4:35 PM, NewEra said: I’d be good with it. Love Ed, but big decisions are on the horizon and if we can bolster our OL or Wr by trading Ed, I’m down. I am here. Ed is a very good player. But not a great one. A player for player trade to upgrad the offense I am on board with. Trading him for day 2 or 3 picks is pointless though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I am here. Ed is a very good player. But not a great one. A player for player trade to upgrad the offense I am on board with. Trading him for day 2 or 3 picks is pointless though. This is where I am at I understand that there are people here that actually hate Oliver so much that they want to ignore his production when healthy but there’s more to consider here I don’t want to give a non-superstar player a super star contract that doesn’t help us If you could find a way to trade Oliver for an impact player on either side of the ball, I wouldn’t question it. I see no reason why you would trade him for a fifth round pick because he gives you more production than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Yes for oline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Unfortunately he's a tweener. Not big enough for a typical DT, and simply not enough of a fast penetrator to be a difference maker. Would I trade him? For the right deal, in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I saw a number of fans/bloggers float the idea of the Bills trading Ed Oliver. Oliver is due to make over $10M in his 5th season which would be off the cap if they could trade him. I’m guessing that the Bills probably won’t re-sign or Franchise tag him, so 2023 is likely his last season in Buffalo. As far as compensation, I saw a 2nd and a 5th which I think would be a little high. I’m thinking more like a 3rd and a 5th The trade would give the Bills 2 more decent draft picks to try to add younger talent on rookie deals which would be important moving forward. If this is me, I would make the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Problem with Oliver is that the D is definitely better when he's out there, but he's also not as productive or dominant as we hoped. And unless we want to waste yet another high pick on D, not sure we're better off trading him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, JohnNord said: If this is me, I would make the deal And the horse you rode in on. 🤨 * 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And the horse you rode in on. 🤨 * 😁 What? 19 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Problem with Oliver is that the D is definitely better when he's out there, but he's also not as productive or dominant as we hoped. And unless we want to waste yet another high pick on D, not sure we're better off trading him. So you are comfortable making Ed Oliver one of the highest paid DT’s? Because that’s what it will take to sign him to a second contract. Edited January 30, 2023 by JohnNord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: What? Ed rides a horse. A very old insult is "f*** you, and the horse you rode in on." Ergo, I think the Bills should keep him because of his uniqueness. Let Beane find other tires to go kick. 😁 Edited January 30, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 If we want to actually give Allen a legitimate upgrade on Offense this year and make some kind of splash in Free Agency.. It seems like trading Ed Oliver is the move. I don't even care what we get back.. Just get the 11M cap hit off the books. Use that 11M on an OL piece or towards a Meyers/OBJ signing if they want to go that route. There is no reason Ed Oliver should be in the future plans moving forward. We saw what Chris Jones can do to a OL, Oliver is not that. Quinnen Williams.. Oliver is not that. etc etc. We cannot keep paying above average players that do not have the ability to take over games. .... and that should start this year. I'm torn on Edmunds, but Oliver has to go. That money desperately needs to be re-allocated to the Offensive side of the ball. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I wouldn't trade Ed. That being said, if you were offered a spectacular deal, then NO ONE is above trading if you want to improve. . . . . . . . . . . . (except Josh) . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) Oliver should be traded for a good starter at Guard or RT. Surely there is someone around the league that can be had. Throw in a draft pick if needed to make it happen. I would consider trading Tre White This team needs to pour resources into the Offense. Ideally we find a way to significantly upgrade the Oline at LG and RT. Along with drafting a plug and play Center. We also badly need a dynamic threat at WR2 Edited January 30, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 For cap reasons you have to sign him or trade him. I’m in the trade him camp. Re-sign Phillips and also try to sign another starting DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: For cap reasons you have to sign him or trade him. I’m in the trade him camp. Re-sign Phillips and also try to sign another starting DT. Putting on my GM cap.. Trading Oliver, re-signing Phillips to a team friendly deal and drafting a space eating DT in the middle rounds to back up Jones seems the move to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Putting on my GM cap.. Trading Oliver, re-signing Phillips to a team friendly deal and drafting a space eating DT in the middle rounds to back up Jones seems the move to me. Sounds like a plan. I would prefer a veteran that can start added to Phillips, Jones, and Settle but a 4th round big boy to develop would work. DL has work to do, even though we’ve sunk a lot of assets into it. Need better. Edited January 30, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 No. They can't create more holes and rely on Beane to hit on draft picks to fill them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 IF they could find a good package in return for him? Yes. Do I think they could find a good package in return for him? Not likely. The funny thing about Oliver is that he seems to be exactly what he was in college. He was a great run defender at Houston, but not a very productive pass rusher, at least on the stat sheet. Because of his athleticism and his (arguable) mis-use at Houston, many (including myself) projected that he'd be a much better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college. Lo and behold, four seasons in, he's pretty much still what he was at Houston: He's a plus run defender with spurts of impressive pass rush play, but not much notable statistical production. He's a good to slightly above average player, but not a difference maker. Not a game wrecker. Not a Chris Jones or a Quinnen Williams. One need only watch the Bengals game to come to some tough conclusions about Oliver. If ever there was a game for him to take over... As such, I don't have any reason to want the Bills to commit a big long term contract to him. If you can find a taker who will offer decent value, do it. I saw the question on Twitter today: If the Raiders offered Hunter Renfrow straight up for Ed Oliver, would you do it? My answer, I think, is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: Putting on my GM cap.. Trading Oliver, re-signing Phillips to a team friendly deal and drafting a space eating DT in the middle rounds to back up Jones seems the move to me. I like that too, and it sucks because I think Ed would be amazing in the right scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Oliver should be traded for a good starter at Guard or RT. Surely there is someone around the league that can be had. Throw in a draft pick if needed to make it happen. I would consider trading Tre White This team needs to pour resources into the Offense. Ideally we find a way to significantly upgrade the Oline at LG and RT. Along with drafting a plug and play Center. We also badly need a dynamic threat at WR2 you were doing SO WELL till the bolded came! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 If I could get a 2nd round pick for Oliver I would do it. I'd also consider some package of a 3rd and 4th as well. He's not as productive as people give him credit for. This team needs young talented cheap contracts not bloated high end cap numbers for average/above average players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Logic said: IF they could find a good package in return for him? Yes. Do I think they could find a good package in return for him? Not likely. The funny thing about Oliver is that he seems to be exactly what he was in college. He was a great run defender at Houston, but not a very productive pass rusher, at least on the stat sheet. Because of his athleticism and his (arguable) mis-use at Houston, many (including myself) projected that he'd be a much better pass rusher in the NFL than he was in college. Lo and behold, four seasons in, he's pretty much still what he was at Houston: He's a plus run defender with spurts of impressive pass rush play, but not much notable statistical production. He's a good to slightly above average player, but not a difference maker. Not a game wrecker. Not a Chris Jones or a Quinnen Williams. One need only watch the Bengals game to come to some tough conclusions about Oliver. If ever there was a game for him to take over... As such, I don't have any reason to want the Bills to commit a big long term contract to him. If you can find a taker who will offer decent value, do it. I saw the question on Twitter today: If the Raiders offered Hunter Renfrow straight up for Ed Oliver, would you do it? My answer, I think, is yes. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 To whom and for what? If it’s the Hunter Renfrow deal, yes all day long. Renfrow scores touchdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, SCBills said: If we want to actually give Allen a legitimate upgrade on Offense this year and make some kind of splash in Free Agency.. It seems like trading Ed Oliver is the move. I don't even care what we get back.. Just get the 11M cap hit off the books. Use that 11M on an OL piece or towards a Meyers/OBJ signing if they want to go that route. There is no reason Ed Oliver should be in the future plans moving forward. We saw what Chris Jones can do to a OL, Oliver is not that. Quinnen Williams.. Oliver is not that. etc etc. We cannot keep paying above average players that do not have the ability to take over games. .... and that should start this year. I'm torn on Edmunds, but Oliver has to go. That money desperately needs to be re-allocated to the Offensive side of the ball. Great post! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 9 Isles Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Probably going to talk about this a lot this offseason but this is the second thread asking whether he should be traded. The answer is yes, they should look to trade him. The issue is his contract is 10.5 million dollars and in a trade the Bills assume none of that responsibility. So what team is taking on Ed Oliver for 10.5 million dollars as a one year rental? Further, if the team doesnt see him as a one year rental, who is giving up a draft pick, the cap hit this year, and the need to resign him to a multi year deal? Maybe its just the lack of results this scheme gets in the sack department, but he doesnt give you enough in the sack or TFL department to warrant that sort of commitment money wise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Houston has 11 picks. Obviously, they would not not trade any of their 2 firsts (2nd, 12th ) or second (33rd ) But in my dream world maybe the third (65) could be had ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 8:43 PM, Floridagatorsbuffalobills said: Anyone else think Ed Oliver could be on the trading block this off-season? I can see it happening. I think McDermott and Beane know Oliver has underperformed and want to get bigger upfront. They did not give him a ringing endorsement yesterday in the PC. He’s listed at 6’1 287, and I think the defense needs that 6’2 320lb DT in the middle of the defense. I think they know there is going to be a lot of expectations next year and have to get agressive with their FA’s and draft picks and maybe getting rid of 1-2 players that haven’t played to the level they want. I’m not sure what his trade value is, probably a 3rd or 4th rounder? He has hasn’t been terrible, just think he’s not a fit as a 1 tech taking on double teams. I just think we have to make 1-2 trades this year to make the jump our fan base and front office knows has to be made. The Rams did it two years ago, the Eagles did it this year, the 49ers did it this year, it’s time to trade draft picks for proven players. Imagine what AJ Brown would have done for our offense like it did to Philly’s this year. Not sure, let me check the new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yeah I’m ready to move on. Get what you can get for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I saw a number of fans/bloggers float the idea of the Bills trading Ed Oliver. Oliver is due to make over $10M in his 5th season which would be off the cap if they could trade him. I’m guessing that the Bills probably won’t re-sign or Franchise tag him, so 2023 is likely his last season in Buffalo. As far as compensation, I saw a 2nd and a 5th which I think would be a little high. I’m thinking more like a 3rd and a 5th The trade would give the Bills 2 more decent draft picks to try to add younger talent on rookie deals which would be important moving forward. If this is me, I would make the deal There was a thread earlier in the year about resigning him, and I said no. I think he's okay. But at 6'1" 280 you have to be extremely disruptive in the pass game to earn that spot, and he just hasn't been the athletic mismatch that was promised. I just don't see any reason to hand over a 5 year, $75M dollar deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, B-Man said: Houston has 11 picks. Obviously, they would not not trade any of their 2 firsts (2nd, 12th ) or second (33rd ) But in my dream world maybe the third (65) could be had ? Dream world is Ed Oliver + 2nd + 5th for OT Tunsil (UFA in 2024, current cap hit 35 mil = restructure and extend) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 I thought he was hurt. Beane’s comments at his presser seemed to say otherwise. Then he proceeded to diminish his trade value by saying we need more out of him. Nice work Brandon. I’m growing more and more convinced that he’s here to handle the cap. That’s his forte. Player evaluation and drafting has been atrocious since 2019 - the exception the Diggs trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Probably going to talk about this a lot this offseason but this is the second thread asking whether he should be traded. The answer is yes, they should look to trade him. The issue is his contract is 10.5 million dollars and in a trade the Bills assume none of that responsibility. So what team is taking on Ed Oliver for 10.5 million dollars as a one year rental? Further, if the team doesnt see him as a one year rental, who is giving up a draft pick, the cap hit this year, and the need to resign him to a multi year deal? Maybe its just the lack of results this scheme gets in the sack department, but he doesnt give you enough in the sack or TFL department to warrant that sort of commitment money wise. I suspect no team with give up much for him. The numbers and his play justvdibt support it. A trade at this point will likely to be to cut losses, move on, and get at least something for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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