dave mcbride Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 minutes ago, Utah John said: The nail in the coffin for Oliver for me, was that he completely disappeared against three backups on the Bengals' O line. The Bills big advantage in that game was supposed to be that we could disrupt the Bengals' offense because of their O line injuries, and it turned out to be the opposite. Wanna bet that KC's D line finds a way to beat that Bengals O line? His pectoral injury really affected late in the season. He was not healthy. 7 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: Well...I'm not going under the assumption that the Bills will trade Oliver because I seriously doubt they will. But depending on the return I would absolutely consider it. Like I said previously I'm not going to assume anything because teams do dumb things all the time. The Bears gave up a 2nd round pick for Chase Claypool...You just never know. Are you saying regardless of the package offered, an Oliver trade would be completely off the table? The book on Oliver has played out pretty much exactly the way he was scouted. Undersized, great physical traits, etc...But at the end of the day we are looking at a DT who is expected to bring Pass Rush consistency, and he has 21 QB pressures and 16.5 sacks in 70 games played including the Playoffs. He's averaged 2.5 total tackles in those games. That's good stats for a 0/1-tech. But a 3-tech in a Defense that is greatly reliant on pressure from rushing only 4, it's not great. I fully understand a lot of those games came when he was not getting much help from others. And he's had some injuries. But that does not explain everything. The Bills need more from that position. Normally I would say replacing Oliver would not result in better results given his pedigree. But the number don't lie. His closest stat comparisons league wide are Dalvin Tomlinson, B.J. Hill, and D.J. Jones...A 2nd, 3rd, and 6th Round pick. Which admittedly would lend credence to the "no one will trade for him" argument. But it would also lend credence to the "see what you can get for him" argument as well. I'm just saying I would absolutely see if one team out there is willing to give the Bills a deal they can't refuse. They can use that Cap space. I would feel 100% different if I was convinced Oliver will have a breakout 2023...I'm not... Here's what Spotrac says about dead cap in an Oliver trade... I hear you about the numbers, but then I read @GunnerBill arguing that Oliver was hands down the Bills' best d-lineman in 2021 and really good in the first three quarters of this season. I just think that he has talent and will be playing for his fortune next season. I think he'll give us more than any fourth rounder we get. Next year is still a SB window for the Bills, after all. No one is going to give up a third rounder for him. Also, it seems to me that the crazy trades seem to happen in-season, when borderline teams with high expectations become a little desperate. I know that wasn't the Bears, but I also felt like they believed they needed to show their fanbase that their highly drafted QB could look like an NFL qb once he had a cast of real receivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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