dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, McBean said: I sure as heck hope not. Hasn’t sniffed his draft position. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Bills took him over these 1st round d-linemen: Brian Burns (elite), Jeffrey Simmons (elite), and Montez Sweat (averages just over 7 sacks per year over a four-year stretch). He's probably a better player than Rashan Gary, who was also a first rounder, and certainly better than Jerry Tillery and L.J. Collier. Dexter Lawrence had a great year this year, but his first few were just OK. It's kind of a wash with those two because Oliver has certainly had some good moments. If a redraft were held today, the Bills would take either Simmons or Burns, but I also think that if there were an actual re-draft, Burns would go top five. Edited January 24, 2023 by dave mcbride 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 5th year option is fully guaranteed. They will keep him another year and maybe see if they can get “contract year” production from him. He certainly seems capable, but the production isn’t always there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I want the Bills to move in a different direction from Ed Oliver. Try to acquire a top level DT this offseason to pair with Jones. I would have to agree if they could find a player like a younger more healthy version of Phillips that would a good pick up when he is fully healthy he is & can be a beast inside ! Seeing as the Bengals didn't have 3 of their starters on the O line Ed should have been able to school them but didn't that is very telling . Ed is about the same size as John Randal was but not the player he was I have always wanted to see the Bills try him as a DE given that they say his first step is so quick & he may be better suited for that position who knows ? Why not try it if it doesn't work change him back or just mix in a couple of plays to keep them guessing . They said when he was drafted that in college he was playing out of position but he was doing a lot of disrupting while in college so if that be true then try him where they had him in college if he was doing that good out of position i feel he has the motor but his 287 lbs against a 320 lb O lineman i don't feel is enough in todays NFL at his position . That's where his quickness might be better used as a DE because he has more outside room to use but i'm no expert that's for sure !! Change worked for Peters & others ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I think Beane's problem is that they feel their coaching staff can mold a talent to be great. Epenesa and Basham are prime examples to me. Like spit shining some shoes. I just don’t know how you take an undersized, small conference guy like Oliver over a monster like Dexter Lawrence, who was the centerpiece of a championship defense at Clemson. It points to a serious flaw in the Bills’ scouting process and evaluation… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: It's his 5th year option. They are now fully guaranteed when signed. I think Oliver would probably be one of the guys McDermott has in mind when he says he thought the play of the DL was "inconsistent" especially after Von Miller went down hopefully the 5th year option both encourages him as a contract year but also as another year in the system. It’s not excusing it as others have played better but wouldn’t be crazy to see some covid year disruption and a few normal off-season help take a step or two forward when paired with the crossroads. I dont think he’s been “the guy” but want to find reasons to think he could be viable still. Another inconsistent year and you could spend money more effectively than paying him as an elite guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, LabattBlue said: For some reason I thought he was a FA, but according to spotrac he is under contract to the tune of a ~11m cap hit. 😱 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ed-oliver-29044/ He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut. He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good? This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding. Edited January 24, 2023 by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 29 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: I dont care if it leaves a whole, an expensive, undersized, inconsistent, role player. He provides nothing to the team, and our D already sucks. With nfl rules in 2023, any defense is a diminished return unless they are elite. Could you imagine what $11m invested at RT or G would add to this team. Buh bye I agree 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Oliver was double-teamed all day. No having Daquan hurt. Phillips on a bum shoulder also hurt. Settle was a disappointment. I'd re-sign Oliver to a team friendly deal if possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut. He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good? This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding. The Bills just got dominated on both sides of the ball on Sunday. Beane and company will look at everything. Over 4 years, Oliver hasn't played at a level where he's untouchable. Looking into possibly trading him for a player or draft pick(s) seems rather plausible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said: The Bills just got dominated on both sides of the ball on Sunday. Beane and company will look at everything. Over 4 years, Oliver hasn't played at a level where he's untouchable. Looking into possibly trading him for a player or draft pick(s) seems rather plausible. Name one person that played a great game Sunday? The entire team didn't have it. Hard to single out one player in that game as "bad". They all were bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Name one person that played a great game Sunday? The entire team didn't have it. Hard to single out one player in that game as "bad". They all were bad. I mentioned 4 years not just last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropyrules Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 If they don’t resign him after the end of the next season and he then goes elsewhere do the Bills have at shot at a 3rd round comp pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Where do you have in mind? Cmon, just trade our bad guys for great players at the same position. IT'S THAT EASY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 35 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut. He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good? This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding. Who's cutting him? We're all talking trade. He has value. Maybe we don't get back what we're hoping (Day 2 Pick) but even if we don't, it clears his 11M. We talk about investing on Offense.. How exactly do we suppose we'll do that if we have Oliver eating 11M on a 5th year option and/or pay Edmunds whatever it is he ends up getting. Enough. We are going to have to fill some roles on Defense with cheap/rookie players if we want to give Josh Allen an Offense that can go toe to toe with Burrow and the Bengals next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He will 100% be a Bill next year. It's fully guaranteed and there is a $0 cap savings if cut. He is a pretty good player. Dude may have won the Detroit game for us. Why the hell would the Bills cut a good player they drafted and gave a 5th year option to, get $0 cap savings and then have to pay more to sign a player to take his place who likely won't be as good? This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding. Well to be fair, this is a discussion forum and one could argue every single post is (and I think you mean) non-sensical. Literally, I could argue every post is non-sensical. You know, normativity and all. Anywho, the point remains he was a bad pick, not worth the cap hit, sadly will likely be on the team next year (really who would trade for him, maybe the Texans for that hometown edge?), and severely underperformed over this time here. Anyone that believes he is vital to what we do has absolutely no clue what they are looking at. Yes, we get to keep Ed another year, unless a trade partner comes skipping down the hallway. Also, let's be honest, whomever we theoretically could sign for Ed likely would be an upgrade. He just is an average player. Again, being able to identify and recall the one game he was a force this year, is revealing. I can balance that with the Titans game last year where they literally ran right at and over Ed. Henry's monster run was right at Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Cmon, just trade our bad guys for great players at the same position. IT'S THAT EASY! Isaiah McKenzie for Davante Adams… straight up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Is anybody going to take into account the fact that he was injured the whole year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: Oliver was double-teamed all day. No having Daquan hurt. Phillips on a bum shoulder also hurt. Settle was a disappointment. I'd re-sign Oliver to a team friendly deal if possible. Top Ten pick in year 4 against backups and a wildly mediocre starting Center and we're making excuses for him ... and advocating to pay him long term? These kind of moves, if made, are why we will be behind the Chiefs and Bengals. You can't pay guys on Defense who aren't reliable impact players when your QB is making 40M+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) I'll be committed (to a insane asylum) if they extend him or pay him that 5th year salary. Edited January 24, 2023 by Sharky7337 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, Big Turk said: This thread shouldn't even be a thread. The nonsesicality of it is astounding. Just looking for clarification as to his FA status, but if it makes you feel better… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Bills should try to trade him this offseason before he enters FA in ‘24…get whatever you can- he’s not a foundational type of player and he will cost more than he is worth Imo… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: I'd argue that when your dline can't generate pressure against backups and 3rd stringers it's already a hole. Well, there's that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, mannc said: I just don’t know how you take an undersized, small conference guy like Oliver over a monster like Dexter Lawrence, who was the centerpiece of a championship defense at Clemson. It points to a serious flaw in the Bills’ scouting process and evaluation… Oh there is definitely a flaw- they have a terrible habit of reaching to fill needs… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Too many holes to fill elsewhere. Keep Oliver on the 5th year option just like you did Edmunds. He is relatively cheap and no long term cap issues. Getting rid of him is the wrong solution for the wrong problem. Oline, WR, safety, and depending on what they do with Edmunds MLB, and edge rusher are the holes. Can't make more. Wrong. Oliver is $10.8 mil. Move on, he's not worth it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Seen enough of 91. Good, not great player. Not worth the money he's being paid. He can ride his horse off elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: I'll be committed (to a insane asylum) if they extend him or pay him that 5th year salary. I dont think you understand how it works. They already picked up his option. He is getting paid that money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Ed Oliver + Tre White for Aaron Donald 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said: I dont think you understand how it works. They already picked up his option. He is getting paid that money. Correct. Fully guaranteed. We need to find a trade partner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 56 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: I'll be committed (to a insane asylum) if they extend him or pay him that 5th year salary. haha. I’d be okay with them picking up the fifth year (if they haven’t already?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: Kudos to you for having someone in mind and suggesting him - a guy who is a FA, moreover. I think he's 1TDT? whereas Oliver is a 1TDT, but it still puts you on most folks here to have a FA target playing the correct position in mind Do you know what the injury was which placed him on IR? I believe ed plays 3 tech, too small for a 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, damj said: Correct. Fully guaranteed. We need to find a trade partner If you were an NFL GM, what would you trade for Ed Oliver and his one year, fully guaranteed $10.75M contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, BarleyNY said: If you were an NFL GM, what would you trade for Ed Oliver and his one year, fully guaranteed $10.75M contract? If you have the cap room and have a need at DT, there is enough there with him for an organization to think that they could get more out of him. As a GM, I would offer a 3rd round pick, but go as high as a 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 37 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: I believe ed plays 3 tech, too small for a 1 thanks, brain fart on my part although re: size similar to Kyle Williams and Harrison Phillips. I think it’s less a size than a mindset thing, just like Jordan Phillips is huge but plays 3T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Committed to trading him hopefully. They could honestly try to trade a lot of the wasted Defensive picks if you can find a trade partner, we severely need OL and WR help. F the defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, damj said: If you have the cap room and have a need at DT, there is enough there with him for an organization to think that they could get more out of him. As a GM, I would offer a 3rd round pick, but go as high as a 2. Beane overvalues draft picks and then wastes them. While I agree my bet is you could find a team willing to give up a 3rd, then what is the point. Giving up a starting DT for a 3rd round pick? So basically Oliver for Terrell Bernard??? No thanks. I will take Oliver back on a 5th yr guarantee over a 3rd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyMark Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Beane overvalues draft picks and then wastes them. While I agree my bet is you could find a team willing to give up a 3rd, then what is the point. Giving up a starting DT for a 3rd round pick? So basically Oliver for Terrell Bernard??? No thanks. I will take Oliver back on a 5th yr guarantee over a 3rd round pick. I do appreciate your reply and thoughts here. Funnily enough, and I think I am correct, I do not think Ed started the Bengals playoff game. He sure did play early and maybe on the first series but technically he did not start the game - I think the first play Ankou was on the field. That notwithstanding, I actually do not think Ed is starting caliber. Depth? Ok. Starter? We need better. But I am fine agreeing to disagree here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, IndyMark said: I do appreciate your reply and thoughts here. Funnily enough, and I think I am correct, I do not think Ed started the Bengals playoff game. He sure did play early and maybe on the first series but technically he did not start the game - I think the first play Ankou was on the field. That notwithstanding, I actually do not think Ed is starting caliber. Depth? Ok. Starter? We need better. But I am fine agreeing to disagree here. Fair enough. I've posted many time I hated the pick, but I see him as at least an average starter at 3tech DT. And I'm fine overpaying for one year becuase I think the replacement cost would be too high and there are too many other holes to fill. Would I be shocked if they made a trade? No. Surprised and bemused but not shocked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 hours ago, somnus00 said: Seems like, when healthy, Jordan Philips outplays Oliver, has more fire, and he's cheaper. Oliver is good. Really good at times. But he is no where near where a top 10 pick should be playing. He does not deserve a massive contract from the Bills. That’s the operative term,”when healthy “ and that about 6 or 7 games a season from his time in Az till they dumped him on us last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I can’t help but believe he will have his best year by far. And if so, exactly why they should move on when the year is through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 the beat guys speak highly of him, but he is just a JAG to me other then his occasional flash play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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