How many chances will McDermott get?

[Awwufelloff]

[GolfandBills]

Plenty more to come 

[papazoid]

at least another full season for HC

 

the OC & DC will likely both change out ....either promoted or fired

[Awwufelloff]

I want Peyton. We need an offensive minded coach. 

[SCBills]

I've reached the end of my patience with McDermott, but I don't think there's any chance he's not here next year.. and I just have to hope he's capable of self-reflection and growth as a coach.

 

I'd be shocked if he's allowed to run it back with Dorsey and Frazier.  One, or both, have to go.  IMO, definitely Frazier.. and I go either way on Dorsey just because it was his first year.

 

Then next year he's coaching on a warm seat.  

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

Plenty more to come 

Unfortunately that will be the case.  

 

Has he done a good job in any playoff game? 

 

Kept Jax close, but since zero funds or care about offense, scored 7 points.

 

Crucial errors after a big lead vs. Houston.

 

Indy closer then it should have been and very close to losing it.

 

Baltimore did a great job vs. Lamar, but again tighter then need be.

 

KC was the better, more experienced team (got to be honest).

 

NE - Josh's perfect game

 

13 seconds an abomination

 

Miami almost blew it.  

 

Cincy - Unprepared.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Don’t think they make the playoffs next year unless their young draft picks pull some miracle off season and they hit on 3 or 4 picks this year. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I've reached the end of my patience with McDermott, but I don't think there's any chance he's not here next year.. and I just have to hope he's capable of self-reflection and growth as a coach.

 

I'd be shocked if he's allowed to run it back with Dorsey and Frazier.  One, or both, have to go.  IMO, definitely Frazier.. and I go either way on Dorsey just because it was his first year.

 

Then next year he's coaching on a warm seat.  

Pegula values his wonderful character over any chance at winning a SB. If you want Marty Schottenheimer,  he's your guy. 

[Johnnycage46]

15 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

 

People talk about the Chargers and how they blow it a lot.  I would put us right there with them as chokers (especially if you add in the 4 SBs and the music city BS...obviously not McD's time...but still).

 

I fear that the owners really love him and he will have to have back to back non-playoff seasons before he would get fired.

[VaMilBill]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I've reached the end of my patience with McDermott, but I don't think there's any chance he's not here next year.. and I just have to hope he's capable of self-reflection and growth as a coach.

 

I'd be shocked if he's allowed to run it back with Dorsey and Frazier.  One, or both, have to go.  IMO, definitely Frazier.. and I go either way on Dorsey just because it was his first year.

 

Then next year he's coaching on a warm seat.  

I think both need to go. Dorsey ran a pretty inefficient offense. He’s just lucky that Josh is such a great player and could routinely make off a schedule plays. But nothing on offense looked easy this year. It was a constant struggle outside the first two weeks 

[buffalobillswin]

Sadly great QBs can keep bad/mediocre coaches from getting fired. 
 

Aaron Rodgers kept McCarthey the coach of GB longer than he should have been. We may be in store for a similar situation. 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Probably more than anyone should 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, buffalobillswin said:

Sadly great QBs can keep bad/mediocre coaches from getting fired. 
 

Aaron Rodgers kept McCarthey the coach of GB longer than he should have been. We may be in store for a similar situation. 

 

True.  For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen?

 

No chance. 

[YodaMan79]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Unfortunately that will be the case.  

 

Has he done a good job in any playoff game? 

 

Kept Jax close, but since zero funds or care about offense, scored 7 points.

 

Crucial errors after a big lead vs. Houston.

 

Indy closer then it should have been and very close to losing it.

 

Baltimore did a great job vs. Lamar, but again tighter then need be.

 

KC was the better, more experienced team (got to be honest).

 

NE - Josh's perfect game

 

13 seconds an abomination

 

Miami almost blew it.  

 

Cincy - Unprepared.

He got very lucky with the Indy game.  For some reason FR made some questionable calls before the half.  They were outplayed that game, too. 

[Bruffalo]

More than he rightly should, but he probably deserves another chance or two. 

 

The coordinators though? Ehh, I think they should get the boot now rather than later.  Do I think it'll happen? No. 

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

True.  For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen?

 

No chance. 

Remember he took a 7-9 team (they threw the last game the prior year) to 9-7 and the playoffs his first year. 

 

Oh & he started Nathan Peterman vs. SD (and had him the starter the following year too).

 

An offensive genious (savant).   

[CircleTheWagons99]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Don’t think they make the playoffs next year unless their young draft picks pull some miracle off season and they hit on 3 or 4 picks this year. 

Not gonna happen because Mcd likes easing new players into his complex schemes…

[LabattBlue]

McD is going nowhere this year, next year, the year after that, or any time in the near future. Don’t you know a man of faith and leadership is all you need to win a SB. 

[Awwufelloff]

Look at what san fran is able to do with Purdy. Imagine that team with Allen. Coaching and schemes is just as important as the QB running them. 

[PBF81]

45 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Well, as long as the standard is "the last 20 years," I guess until he retires.

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

True.  For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen?

 

No chance. 

We'd be worse than "the last 20 years" without Allen.  I feel sorry for Allen.  

 

At best it'd be more of "the last 20 years." 

 

Our standard needs to change to the SB era years.  Let's raise the bar!

14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

McD is going nowhere this year, next year, the year after that, or any time in the near future. Don’t you know a man of faith and leadership is all you need to win a SB. 

BILL-ieve brothers!  😂

Edited January 23, 2023 by PBF81

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

42 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

 

Are you sure you want to pick a new HC, our last 4 before McDermott were Rex Ryan, Doug Marrone, Chan Gailey and Dick Jauron. Are you positive this is what you want? Who other than Sean Payton would you like as HC here? Payton doesn't make sense for us, giving up a 1st or multiple 1sts for a HC when we need OL to protect Josh Allen doesn't make much sense imo so who else would be your choice.

[Billsflyer12]

21 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

McD is going nowhere this year, next year, the year after that, or any time in the near future. Don’t you know a man of faith and leadership is all you need to win a SB. 

The second he talked early in his career of faith, family and football I knew we would have lots of good guys and no Super Bowls under his tenure.

[B-Large]

McDermott can stay, but get a Defensive Coordinator that has an aggressive, nasty scheme/ attitude, and focus on finding some o-line personnel that don't suck.  For F sake, either run block or pass block well,. but do SOMETHING well.

 

 

[Beast]

One conference title game appearance in which they were destroyed is not some great resume.

[Nextmanup]

56 minutes ago, papazoid said:

at least another full season for HC

 

the OC & DC will likely both change out ....either promoted or fired

Would love to see a double coordinator change, I don't think either will go.

 

I hope I'm wrong.

 

As I've been saying for 2 years now, the day WILL COME when Pegula has to decide if McDermott is good enough.

 

Either he's here forever already, or he has to prove he can get it done.

 

The decision will NOT come this year; maybe next year.  If no SB appearance next year, the heat will build.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by Nextmanup

[Back2Buff]

During the drought years I remember people saying it would be a dream just to be the Marvin Lewis Bengals.   You got your wish.

[PromoTheRobot]

As long as he keeps getting the Bills into the playoffs. Apparently many of you forgot about the drought.

[RyanC883]

He will get way too many changes in the name of "continunity."  Continunity of what, exactly, should be the question.  This quote from Allen says it all.  They were unprepared and out coached: 

 

Josh Allen said. “Our goal is to win a Super Bowl or World Championship and we didn't accomplish that. So everything that happened in the season is kind of null and void in our minds and it sucks. That's the way it goes sometimes. They had a good game plan, credit to those guys, they came out and played hard. We just didn't have it today.”

 

This was after yesterday's game, but could be a quote from any of those horrid McD playoff losses.  We ever beat an equal or favored team in the playoffs?  Nope.  

 

 

[Motor26]

It would be one thing if they had improved upon each years performance, but they have regressed big time from last year. 

[GoBills808]

Wouldn't have even made it to AFCCG without Allen going nuclear vs the Colts

 

[RyanC883]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

As long as he keeps getting the Bills into the playoffs. Apparently many of you forgot about the drought.

 

this is THE MOST ridiculous take, and I'm just sick of it.  First, any coach in the NFL could get this team to the playoffs.  Did we have Allen and Diggs during the drought, NOPE.  Second, the goal is to win the SB, not just make the postseason and lose in the divisional round or AFC Championship to an equal or superior team.   With the talent on this team at QB, you need a head coach and GM that can put a winner around him.  McD and even Bean have proven that they cannot do it.   Also, as another poster noted, we regressed from last year.  There is no improvement, and Bean is putting us into cap issues and has failed to draft adequate impact players on rookie contracts.  Total failure all around.  

Edited January 23, 2023 by RyanC883

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

If Jerry Jones were the owner, he'd be gone this morning. Heck, may have been gone after 13 seconds.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

As long as he keeps getting the Bills into the playoffs. Apparently many of you forgot about the drought.

I have not forgotten about the drought. I am old. I remember when OJ Simpson was used as a decoy. Here's the bottom line: you play to win the SB. The point of reaching the playoffs is to win in them. Making them to lose, often in embarrasing fashion is just an exercise in masochism. We are wasting the early prime years of a HOF level qb. Now Josh has to watch Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, and a rookie last pick in the draft compete for a championship. You establish long-term legacy by what you do in the playoffs. If there's any self-awareness, Terry Pegula makes changes now, not waiting for another year of regular season success and post-season failure.

[HomeTeam]

The same questions were said about Andy Reid before he got over the hump. 

 

I know everyone is upset but in my opinion that would be a mistake at this moment. He still has a lot of leeway from me but some changes do need to be made.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

One more. He is not going anywhere this year. And sadly it would probably take missing the playoffs next season to move on from him. Personally I,would be fine with a different leader now. But it won't happen. Anything less than a SB appearance next year is a failure. 

[DocLawless]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

True.  For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen?

 

No chance. 

If not for luckily hitting on the Allen pick, beane would look AWFUL and be gone as well. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

this is THE MOST ridiculous take, and I'm just sick of it.  First, any coach in the NFL could get this team to the playoffs.  Did we have Allen and Diggs during the drought, NOPE.  (2) the goal is to win the SB, not just make the postseason and lose in the divisional round or AFC Championship to an equal or superior team.  

 

LOL!!!!  Any coach??? Dick "Skelator" Jauron? Mike "Meathead" Mularkey? Greggo Williams?? Chan Friggin' Gailey?? Were you in a coma during the drought?

 

Oh woe is us! We have a franchise QB but can't win the big one! Get a grip and suck it up. You're not going to fire your way to a title. How many house cleanings did we endure for 17 years? Here's a little perspective for you. We've been to the playoffs 5 times in 6 seasons.  We have 4 10+ win season in a row. Three straight AFC East titles. Do we step on our own d***s in the playoffs? Yes, but you don't blow up a good team out of spite. Make changes but don't get crazy.

 

By the way, the last time we had a 10+ win season before this run was 1999. Yesterday sucked but it was a lot worse for a very vey long time.

[Mark92]

McDermott isn't going anywhere.  I hope to God him and Beane can look in the mirror and fix whatever is rotten here.  Something is.  

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I have not forgotten about the drought. I am old. I remember when OJ Simpson was used as a decoy. Here's the bottom line: you play to win the SB. The point of reaching the playoffs is to win in them. Making them to lose, often in embarrasing fashion is just an exercise in masochism. We are wasting the early prime years of a HOF level qb. Now Josh has to watch Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts, and a rookie last pick in the draft compete for a championship. You establish long-term legacy by what you do in the playoffs. If there's any self-awareness, Terry Pegula makes changes now, not waiting for another year of regular season success and post-season failure.

Just qualifying for the playoffs should not protect a HC's job.  It wasn't even that difficult to make the postseason this year.  If you're getting bounced in the earlier rounds after getting to the AFCCG, you're regressing, not progressing.  And yesterday's loss was simply embarrassing.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

2 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

The same questions were said about Andy Reid before he got over the hump. 

 

I know everyone is upset but in my opinion that would be a mistake at this moment. He still has a lot of leeway from me but some changes do need to be made.  

Agree with your point in general, but McDermott has not shown to be anywhere near as creative or prepared as Reid. Obviously I don’t mean head to head, but over the course of the season and with in game decisions.