Luka Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, WideNine said: That guy used to kill us. He is totally underutilized in the new Dolphin offense. He is solid, great route runner, very good hands, if we had the cap to bring him in - definitely. Seriously. How good could the boy genius be if he couldn't figure out how to use a guy like Gesicki? Sure he can't block but he's a hell of a receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I think the offense is and would continue to be more effective having 3WR's on the field so don't want to take one of them off the field routinely to go with 2 TE's. So not worth spending the money for those few times we may want to have 2 pass catching TE's on the field. I would rather spend money to sign a FA WR or draft one in 1st or 2nd round. 2 TE's on the field are good for weak arm QB's who live on 5 yard passes over the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Draconator said: It's known that Gesicki can't block, but he can get open and can catch the ball. Would you want Beane to sign him? Oh, absolutely. He would absolutely replace Cole Beasley as Josh’s trusty slot WR. I hear people say that he can’t block, but the guy’s 6’6 250lbs, trust me, he can block, he may need to learn better techniques though. Gesicki is probably my top FA. Pay him $10M/yr for the next two years and call it a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 This team needs weapons. TEs are cheaper than WRs, if they think they can use him as a slot WR who occasionally gets in the way of a DE on his way out to the flat, I’m in. Basically, make him a big Slot WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Bad Things said: He's a damn good player, but boy does that guy rub me the wrong way. He seems ultra-douchie. I have only noticed him as a player in the field, but having a good locker room is important too. A lot of comments about him being douchie, I am assuming there are some things he's done off-field that folks are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 The tight end market is currently overvalued. I just don’t see the value here. There are very few tight ends worth big contracts and Geiseke isn’t one of them. Not sure Knox is either but let’s not hand out two bad contracts to the same position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 A. we can’t afford them b. don’t use titans enough to make that kind of a purchase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Where are all the threads about right tackles and guards who are going to be free agents? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I can’t stand him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I think the offense is and would continue to be more effective having 3WR's on the field so don't want to take one of them off the field routinely to go with 2 TE's. So not worth spending the money for those few times we may want to have 2 pass catching TE's on the field. I would rather spend money to sign a FA WR or draft one in 1st or 2nd round. 2 TE's on the field are good for weak arm QB's who live on 5 yard passes over the middle. I think the opposite. I’d love to see Josh and Cook lined up behind two stud TEs that can both block, run and catch. Diggs and a solid WR2 out wide. It bolsters the run game and puts more pressure on the D to stop the run and not only focus on Josh. Playaction improves. Run game improves. Pass game gets some pressure taken off of it while being just as potent. Most teams gear up to stop the pass- we would create mismatches in both the run and pass game. That said, I doubt we’ll ever see what it would look like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I like this guy as a seam route safety shredder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) No lol he can’t run or pass block he’s a liability on blocking Edited January 17, 2023 by BuffaloBills1998 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Billz4ever said: If he can't block then he's a glorified WR, who's really not much use to us. We need a legit WR2, which he is not. Gabe was not that guy either in the regular season anyway. We have plenty of others role players. I don't think there's really anything special he brings to the table that we don't already have. This. This. And then this again. 6 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Oh, absolutely. He would absolutely replace Cole Beasley as Josh’s trusty slot WR. I hear people say that he can’t block, but the guy’s 6’6 250lbs, trust me, he can block, he may need to learn better techniques though. Gesicki is probably my top FA. Pay him $10M/yr for the next two years and call it a day. No. No, he can't. Not for toffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 He is a great athlete, but terrible NFL level blocker. If he would take a pay cut and limited (specialized) role, sure. He can catch the ball and run with it. And his size in the Red Zone would be a very nice asset. He could do what they wanted OJ Howard to be able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Like a ten million dollar flyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 He’s a Penn State kid always wanted to play for the Steelers Id watch them. Definitely need to upgrade 2TE which like having an extra offensive tackle out there. Terrific hands but lousy blocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 14 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Gesecki is gonna get paid at least Top 10 TE money. We already have an under utilized TE making big money. Plus I happen to like Morris who I believe has untapped potential. This! Knox needs to be used more. And I really like the little we've seen from Morris. I'd have loved to get both of them into the mix while we have had our issues with WRs this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 He'll cost too much. But I like the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 This team can’t waste that kind of money on TE2. He’s a good pass catching TE and someone will pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, NewEra said: I think the opposite. I’d love to see Josh and Cook lined up behind two stud TEs that can both block, run and catch. Diggs and a solid WR2 out wide. It bolsters the run game and puts more pressure on the D to stop the run and not only focus on Josh. Playaction improves. Run game improves. Pass game gets some pressure taken off of it while being just as potent. Most teams gear up to stop the pass- we would create mismatches in both the run and pass game. That said, I doubt we’ll ever see what it would look like. NFL teams are averaging about 6.4 net yards per pass attempt and 4.3 yards per carry. When you have a Josh Allen IMO that's a bad idea because of above. I found that stat for the entire league, I'd imagine if looking at teams like Buffalo, KC, Bengals, you'd see an even larger difference. Certainly can pass from formation you're suggesting but keeping three wide increases your chance, assuming the three are good to better WR's. Having an elite QB also makes the WR's and d TE's too look better. Having said that do feel the Bills need more WR help than present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. No, he can't. Not for toffee. Better get your UK↔️US dictionaries out, people. It ain't he's referring to... Edited January 17, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Allen’s contract becomes active so we’ll be very cost conscious moving forward. We have to draft well. That’s the key. Its cheap labor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I'd love to get Gesicki but the Bills won't be able to afford him. Any extra money the Bills have at this point need to go to their own free agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: NFL teams are averaging about 6.4 net yards per pass attempt and 4.3 yards per carry. When you have a Josh Allen IMO that's a bad idea because of above. I found that stat for the entire league, I'd imagine if looking at teams like Buffalo, KC, Bengals, you'd see an even larger difference. Certainly can pass from formation you're suggesting but keeping three wide increases your chance, assuming the three are good to better WR's. Having an elite QB also makes the WR's and d TE's too look better. Having said that do feel the Bills need more WR help than present. I get your point, but I’m not saying we should run more per say. Just more effectively. Create more mismatches vs all of these team playing nickel and dime all game. I’d take 2 knox’s over 1 knox and 1 midget slot with a negative catch radius. Especially a midget slot that can’t block worth a dam. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be 60-40 pass to run. I’m saying that if we ran a lot of 2TE sets with 2 formidable and complete TEs- opposing defenses would be forced to play us honest as opposed to doing everything in their power yo take Diggs out of the game or play the cover 2 she’ll all game. We could dictate what the defense does, not the other way around. Our Rb rush effectiveness would increase. Our QB rush production would increase and, imo, our pass effectiveness would increase as well once teams started to play us more honest. jmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 He will get a big contract based on potential alone. This is Evan Engram 2.0, so at the very least he will get a big 1 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 33 minutes ago, NewEra said: I get your point, but I’m not saying we should run more per say. Just more effectively. Create more mismatches vs all of these team playing nickel and dime all game. I’d take 2 knox’s over 1 knox and 1 midget slot with a negative catch radius. Especially a midget slot that can’t block worth a dam. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be 60-40 pass to run. I’m saying that if we ran a lot of 2TE sets with 2 formidable and complete TEs- opposing defenses would be forced to play us honest as opposed to doing everything in their power yo take Diggs out of the game or play the cover 2 she’ll all game. We could dictate what the defense does, not the other way around. Our Rb rush effectiveness would increase. Our QB rush production would increase and, imo, our pass effectiveness would increase as well once teams started to play us more honest. jmo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: He would be a perfect fit in that type of system. He definitely has his limitations in the pass game, but he might eventually be the best blocking TE ever. He’s a demon in that department. Rd 3- I’d be happy with him but I don’t know if he’ll fall that far. Maybe a trade up into rd 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 No don't see much of an upgrade to Knox. Actually like Morris and want to see what he can do looks like he has decent hands. Would not mind drafting player mid to late rounds for #3 on depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Not with our cap situation. Knox is the clear#1. #2 TE needs to block. Morris is fine, but if they can find a cheap version of Lee Smith I would be fine swapping out Morris. #3 TE needs to be a swing OT. They are going to draft an OT and probably a C/G next season. They will likely need one extra roster spot for OL. They can carry Sweeney on the PS all year if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 We have stretch the field TE in Knox. Now we need aTE who can be another O-lineman and a check down monster who will punish defenders. Gesicki is a finesse guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 5 hours ago, NewEra said: He would be a perfect fit in that type of system. He definitely has his limitations in the pass game, but he might eventually be the best blocking TE ever. He’s a demon in that department. Rd 3- I’d be happy with him but I don’t know if he’ll fall that far. Maybe a trade up into rd 3. Drafttek has him listed as #91 on their big board. I would definitely consider even a small trade up in the third to secure him. He would be a piece that would improve the overall oline competency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 We just started using the tight end we have. I ike Gesicki a lot, but he should go where he's going to see volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Morris has shown to not drop any balls and also has sticky hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 7 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Drafttek has him listed as #91 on their big board. I would definitely consider even a small trade up in the third to secure him. He would be a piece that would improve the overall oline competency. Dane Brugler has him being taken 24th overall by jax in his latest draft- 😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 13 hours ago, Dr. Who said: Very much want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 hours ago, NewEra said: Dane Brugler has him being taken 24th overall by jax in his latest draft- 😭 I think I saw someone mocking him to the Chargers in the first as well. That would surprise me a bit. Any way, hands off evil competitors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 $10M+ per year for a TE who can't block? They have shown no interest in paying anything much above vet min for TEs who can't block. And this isn't a year when they have a lot to spread around, especially after they deal with their own FAs they would like to re-sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) On 1/17/2023 at 11:30 AM, Victory Formation said: Oh, absolutely. He would absolutely replace Cole Beasley as Josh’s trusty slot WR. I hear people say that he can’t block, but the guy’s 6’6 250lbs, trust me, he can block, he may need to learn better techniques though. Gesicki is probably my top FA. Pay him $10M/yr for the next two years and call it a day. Blocking isn't about size. It's much more about want-to. Gesicki doesn't. If he did, he'd have done it by now. Edited January 18, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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