We're on to Cincinnati(Bengals coming to OP). Sunday 1/22 at 3pm. Opening Line Bills -5

[Franco_92]

Just now, boyst said:

no he is not. not by a wide margin. he's not bad, really. and for being a fan of another team he's reasonable.

 

he and patsfannh are both the glaring examples of fans of the other team. just as we would be. they'll defend the illogical, they'll cheer the smallest victory. they'll cry afoul at the littlest detail. we would do the same. where many people get annoying and think poorly of them is they have a different viewpoint - that's how sports work. the game is subjective. there are only 5 to 6 players that are truly the best in the game - the rest of the entire game is debatable. no one can contest jefferson is the best wr in a long time, donald is one of the best defenders ever, henry has been the best back of the last 5 years, and tom brady is a ridicuslously evil person who tortures small children feed his soul and keep his youth.

 

i could give you a laundry list of worst posters on this forum.

No, he's dreadful. He comes in blinded by his own team and insults the posters here who are objectively more correct than he is, cloaking everything he says with an air of objectivity that isn't there. I've almost never used the ignore feature in my years reading this place and I had to bust it out for him. The Pats fan is far better and was far less arrogant even when ne was good

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, boyst said:

 

 

i could give you a laundry list of worst posters on this forum.

[stevewin]

25 minutes ago, boyst said:

no he is not. not by a wide margin. he's not bad, really. and for being a fan of another team he's reasonable.

 

he and patsfannh are both the glaring examples of fans of the other team. just as we would be. they'll defend the illogical, they'll cheer the smallest victory. they'll cry afoul at the littlest detail. we would do the same. where many people get annoying and think poorly of them is they have a different viewpoint - that's how sports work. the game is subjective. there are only 5 to 6 players that are truly the best in the game - the rest of the entire game is debatable. no one can contest jefferson is the best wr in a long time, donald is one of the best defenders ever, henry has been the best back of the last 5 years, and tom brady is a ridicuslously evil person who tortures small children feed his soul and keep his youth.

 

i could give you a laundry list of worst posters on this forum.

I am NOT a fan of opposing fan posters "I come in peace to have intelligent football talk".  It always ends up with them just defending their team/opinions and being on a crusade to tell you why you are wrong.  It brings the conversation down so many levels

 

How many pages I've scrolled through this thread to try to get past 'Cincy fan' lecturing why Bills fans are wrong - it does not elevate the conversation

Edited January 18, 2023 by stevewin

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I am NOT a fan of opposing fan posters "I come in peace to have intelligent football talk".  It always ends up with them just defending their team/opinions and being on a crusade to tell you why you are wrong.  It brings the conversation down so many levels

Ya I’ll never understand opposite fans joining another teams message board.

 

But I guess if that’s what they wanna do, it’s a free country.

 

Definitely in agreement with you though

[stevewin]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I’ll never understand opposite fans joining another teams message board.

 

But I guess if that’s what they wanna do, it’s a free country.

 

Definitely in agreement with you though

This is a whole other discussion - the psychology of why someone would do that - it's bizarre to me

[boyst]

25 minutes ago, arcane said:

No, he's dreadful. He comes in blinded by his own team and insults the posters here who are objectively more correct than he is, cloaking everything he says with an air of objectivity that isn't there. I've almost never used the ignore feature in my years reading this place and I had to bust it out for him. The Pats fan is far better and was far less arrogant even when ne was good

he tempered a lot of his energy, at least recently. at first he was clowning on us. as he should have since NE owned us.

 

 

7 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I am NOT a fan of opposing fan posters "I come in peace to have intelligent football talk".  It always ends up with them just defending their team/opinions and being on a crusade to tell you why you are wrong.  It brings the conversation down so many levels

i do not at all disagree but i realize almost anyone of us would be in the same shoes on another board. that is, if they'd even have us

 

i probably have 4 or 5 other memberships i never post on. chiefs, panthers, jets, fins, bengals. the only one that doesnt' let me post and won't verify me is the bengals. probably for good measure. their baord was full of nonsense about the hamlin injury being our fault.

[PaattMaann]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya I’ll never understand opposite fans joining another teams message board.

 

But I guess if that’s what they wanna do, it’s a free country.

 

Definitely in agreement with you though

 

ever looked at other teams message boards? They kind of suck butt

 

I honestly have been FAR LESS active in here since becoming involved in Twitter. Its mostly superior football knowledge out there because you can decide who to follow/engage with. In here I still have to see peoples comments who obviously only watch bills games when they are on TV and do not watch other games/film breakdown/podcasters who give important context/nuance to the game of football. 

 

So I can understand why other fans would come here...compared to most other fan message boards, TBD is lightyears more engaging, entertaining and knowledgeable. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, TH3 said:

Bet against your team..you always lose

Loser

I won a lot of money when Kelce scored the TD in OT last year. I had a 10 leg parlay going.   Before Hill scored the long TD I still needed Mahomes to throw 2 more TDs and Hill and Kelce to catch 1 TD each.

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

ever looked at other teams message boards? They kind of suck butt

 

I honestly have been FAR LESS active in here since becoming involved in Twitter. Its mostly superior football knowledge out there because you can decide who to follow/engage with. In here I still have to see peoples comments who obviously only watch bills games when they are on TV and do not watch other games/film breakdown/podcasters who give important context/nuance to the game of football. 

 

So I can understand why other fans would come here...compared to most other fan message boards, TBD is lightyears more engaging, entertaining and knowledgeable. 

Oh TBD is fantastic compared to other places.

 

I have only lurked a few times on Dolphins/Chiefs forums. (They are bad)

 

[jletha]

26 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I am NOT a fan of opposing fan posters "I come in peace to have intelligent football talk".  It always ends up with them just defending their team/opinions and being on a crusade to tell you why you are wrong.  It brings the conversation down so many levels

 

How many pages I've scrolled through this thread to try to get past 'Cincy fan' lecturing why Bills fans are wrong - it does not elevate the conversation

"Coming in Peace" posts are the absolute worst.

[HOUSE]

Joe Mixon is suspiciously quiet this week

QUICK, somebody shove a microphone in his face, I am sure he will say something unbelievably stupid

If not, try Chris Simms.. 

[Bleed Bills Blue]

8 hours ago, Caesar said:

Hendrickson isnt the best run defender but that is not why they sub for him.  He is on a snap count as he is playing with a broken wrist.

Hmmm, a broken wrist you say??

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:

 

I was really bummed, at age 14. We had started 11-1 but ran out of gas and finished 12-4, we had an amazing defense and an okay offense (Kelly threw 15 TDs and 17 picks on the season) with a promising rookie named Thurman Thomas.

 

Recently I read a great oral history of this game from the Athletic. I learned that Bruce was absolutely unblockable until he got injured and that took a lot out of our team.

 

 

 

 

 

Back when I was close to your age above, but 7 years earlier.

 

No one ever...EVER besides me talks about what happened starting at 2:01:35.

 

...I remember it like it was yesterday, even viewing it a few minutes ago for the first time in years.  Damn shame.

 

Do you think that would happen in today's NFL?  No freaking way.

 

 

[TH3]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I won a lot of money when Kelce scored the TD in OT last year. I had a 10 leg parlay going.   Before Hill scored the long TD I still needed Mahomes to throw 2 more TDs and Hill and Kelce to catch 1 TD each.

 

 

 

Bet against your team..you always lose

Loser

14 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

For some reason, this Nick Wright exchange got under my skin. Yeah, people say that he's seeking attention. But he could criticize Joe Burrow and get just as much attention but he never does. In fact, no one ever says a negative thing about St. Joe. He's thrown 2 fewer interceptions than Josh this year, but none of his INTs are ever his fault. A stat line of 209 and 1 TD in a playoff game and they are measuring him for a gold jacket on the NFL Network. He was outplayed by Tyler Huntley FCS. 

 

Also, people in Cincinnati are getting out of hand. Women on Facebook are showing off their Sam Hubbard needlepoints. I had a grandmother yell "Who DEY!!!" at me in a Kroger parking lot and she was with her grandkids. 

NW gives JB propos because JB will never out shine PH with his skill set

NW hates JA because he is the one person who can do things PH can't

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

 

Back when I was close to your age above, but 7 years earlier.

 

No one ever...EVER besides me talks about what happened starting at 2:01:35.

 

...I remember it like it was yesterday, even viewing it a few minutes ago for the first time in years.  Damn shame.

 

Do you think that would happen in today's NFL?  No freaking way.

 

 

I was there. In the end zone where delay happened. Remembering yelling at Devlin to get set

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

I was there. In the end zone where delay happened. Remembering yelling at Devlin to get set

 

 

Oh man, Nuch...jeepers that had to be tough.

 

We also would have had a rematch against the Chargers back out at Jack Murphy Stadium in the AFC Championship and I think the outcome would have been much different.  

 

That 10-6 Bills team (11-6 after the playoff victory against the Jets) was as good as the 11-5 division champion the year before, and minus Fergy's broken ankle.

 

 

[dma0034]

The Ravens deployed the same defense the Bills have used against Mahomes, the 2 high safety daring the Bengals to run. If the Bills can stop the run they'll be in the driver's seat in this one. I'd put in Shaq Lawson most of the game to counter that.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

8 hours ago, Caesar said:

 

Not every INT is the same.  Joe has 7 or more tipped interceptions.  Allen unfortunately has several red zone interceptions that get shown nonstop even if the Bills win the game.  There is no doubt that Joe is more protective of the ball than Josh, but also does not have the cannon to try some of those gunslinger throws that Josh can nor does he run nearly as much or as well as Josh so he doesnt have the fumbles either.  Josh is an alien, no doubt.  Joe wants to be the most accurate.

Your post before this you said Burrow is just a good a passer as Allen and can “throw it a mile”.
 

Gotta pick one there ol’ Caesar ol’ buddy ol’ pal. 

[newcam2012]

10 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Bengals ran only 2 plays before Hamlin situation. Or was it 3? That's why I didn't bother even bringing up a 2nd Bengals series....because it wasn't one.

But in those few plays what did the Bengals do? You just can't discount those plays. They were moving diwn the field with ease. In fact, their offense was in rhythm in sync and doing whatever it wanted to do. The Bills D looked like they had few answers to stop them. Of course, no one knows how the game woukd have ended. Early on though the Bills D was leaking badly. What will they do to stop the leaks? Can they stop the leaks? 

[boyst]

17 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

The Ravens deployed the same defense the Bills have used against Mahomes, the 2 high safety daring the Bengals to run. If the Bills can stop the run they'll be in the driver's seat in this one. I'd put in Shaq Lawson most of the game to counter that.

i put shaq out there all day. i put basham in the middle on 3rd and longs to rush the middle. he has some get up and go. otherwise, settle is in the middle with jones and oliver all rotating.

 

in all honesty, i am making that line shake up. oliver outside with lawson splitting time is an approach i like because of olivers ability to use speed and power over an OT. this is because i don't want to straight up attack burrows. he is a lawn chair. a little bit of wind, a little bit of pressure - he folds. he doesn't need much. but can we get that fast enough to make a difference? i don't know that we can. we don't win the matchups that quickly.

 

this is again why i like a corner blitz from our nickel against a new young OT who will be outmatched.

5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

But in those few plays what did the Bengals do? You just can't discount those plays. They were moving diwn the field with ease. In fact, their offense was in rhythm in sync and doing whatever it wanted to do. The Bills D looked like they had few answers to stop them. Of course, no one knows how the game woukd have ended. Early on though the Bills D was leaking badly. What will they do to stop the leaks? Can they stop the leaks? 

yes you can.

 

the bengals were not sure to score. that ball was slinging all over the field with a ball hawking bills defense which lets anything be possible.

Edited January 18, 2023 by boyst

[wjag]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Yea

 

 

This certainly backs up what the eyes see/believe.  

[nucci]

42 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Oh man, Nuch...jeepers that had to be tough.

 

We also would have had a rematch against the Chargers back out at Jack Murphy Stadium in the AFC Championship and I think the outcome would have been much different.  

 

That 10-6 Bills team (11-6 after the playoff victory against the Jets) was as good as the 11-5 division champion the year before, and minus Fergy's broken ankle.

 

 

I was young. Drank a lot to help

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Pains me to say but I’m betting against the Bills this week. Big money on Cincinnati. Lock off the week. I can’t see the Bills winning this game.

If you bet $5000 on Cincinnati we're good.

[wjag]

All this incessant back and forth about Allen v Burrows needs to stop.  They are both talented QBs.  Pretty sure this game will be decided by whose DLINE plays better.  Both OLINEs are suspect.

[Big Turk]

Elam needs to start...I mean it's PFF but the eye test matched up...

 

 

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Pains me to say but I’m betting against the Bills this week. Big money on Cincinnati. Lock off the week. I can’t see the Bills winning this game.

 

You can't see how the Bills win a game in which they are better offensively, better defensively and better on special teams.

 

Makes total sense.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Big Turk

[Motorin']

43 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

But in those few plays what did the Bengals do? You just can't discount those plays. They were moving diwn the field with ease. In fact, their offense was in rhythm in sync and doing whatever it wanted to do. The Bills D looked like they had few answers to stop them. Of course, no one knows how the game woukd have ended. Early on though the Bills D was leaking badly. What will they do to stop the leaks? Can they stop the leaks? 

 

That game doesn't carry over to this game. Those were all scripted plays. 

[teef]

i'm not saying the bills will absolutely win this weekend, but some of the arguments as to why they "can't" are just mind numbing.

 

also, anyone trying to still use the 2.5 series played in the previous game as some kind of barometer....you're a ***** ######.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

29 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

If you bet $5000 on Cincinnati we're good.

Not that much. 

[NewEra]

17 hours ago, Big Turk said:

What?  You mean Allen turning the ball over isn't as huge problem as some say?

 

 

Turning the ball over isn’t a big deal?  I don’t understand the point of this post.  

Trying to add this up:  you’re saying turning the ball over isn’t a big deal because pff gave him a good grade?

 

other than the turnovers- he had a great season.  He’s an elite of the elite QBs- we all know this….. but make no mistake about it, turning the ball over is a HUGE PROBLEM. 

49 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

But in those few plays what did the Bengals do? You just can't discount those plays. They were moving diwn the field with ease. In fact, their offense was in rhythm in sync and doing whatever it wanted to do. The Bills D looked like they had few answers to stop them. Of course, no one knows how the game woukd have ended. Early on thought the Bills D was leaking badly. What will they do to stop the leaks? Can they stop the leaks? 

Crazy how you’re STILL talk about this man.  

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

If you bet $5000 on Cincinnati we're good.

@newcam2012 bet $4.75 on the bengals money line

[CaliBills]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Turning the ball over isn’t a big deal?  I don’t understand the point of this post.  

Trying to add this up:  you’re saying turning the ball over isn’t a big deal because pff gave him a good grade?

 

other than the turnovers- he had a great season.  He’s an elite of the elite QBs- we all know this….. but make no mistake about it, turning the ball over is a HUGE PROBLEM. 

 

i agree, but I also think PFF actually takes into consideration of how the turn over took place.

 

IE WR ran off their route when the QB let go of the ball, or ball bounce off the chest of WR who was being held/mugged into a defenders hands, or being blindsided and helmet to helmet hit to cause a fumble.  

 

They "PFF", also include turn over worthy plays in their grade, so if Allen threw a would be INT but the defender dropped it, then it would still hurt grade.

 

 

I think lol

Edited January 18, 2023 by CaliBills

[stlbills13]

Just one man's opinion but here's how I would break it down

 

QB: Slight Advantage Bills: Burrow is a stud and has been to a Super Bowl but if I wanted to win one game, I'd go Allen. You can call this a toss-up though 

RB: Advantage Bills: Mixon is good but he's having a down year and I think Singletary/Cook are playing better. I doubt the RB's decide this game but I do hope we run it consistently

WR: Advantage Bengals: Chase is a monster and Higgins/Boyd are really good too. Love Diggs and maybe playoff Gabe is here to stay but I'm not sure this one is too close

TE: Slight Advantage Bills: Knox is really ascending lately. Hurst is fine and he's not a nobody but Knox will be a bigger factor

OL: Advantage Bills: Neither OL is great but health matters and the Bills have the advantage there

 

DL: Advantage Bengals: Obviously different if Von was playing and I like the upside of our D-Line more but from a consistency standpoint, I think Cincy is better

LB: Advantage Bills: Milano and Edmunds need to not whiff on tackles again but those guys can wreck a gameplan

CB: Advantage Bills: Similar to OL where neither unit is great but if Elam is coming on, this definitely favors the Bills

S: Advanrage Bengals: No Hyde, No Hamlin, Poyer banged up. Bengals have a solid unit as it is but the Bills are beat up

Special Teams: Advantage Bills: Hines put fear into everyone with his game vs NE. McPherson made clutch kicks last postseason for Cincy but Bass is good too

Coaching: Toss Up: This one is really interesting. Taylor has been to a Super Bowl and  has a good staff. The Bills are more experienced and I think McD is the better "leader"

 

To me this game is so even and it may come down to home-field advantage and which QB gets it done in the 4th quarter

[Scott7975]

13 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

You are taking what I said out of context. We got a small sample of what the Bengals can do. They Bills for whatever it's worth were having major difficulty stopping the Bengals. Can we agree on that? 

 

Sure I can agree for a couple minutes the Bills had troubles stopping the Bengals.  Can we agree that they didnt stop the Bills either?  Can we also agree that our defense usually starts out slow, makes a few adjustments, and gets some stops?  Can we also agree that the Bengals have started out hot in quite a few games and then did crap in the second half?  Sometimes the opposite of that?

 

I dont have to take what you said out of context.  You have a tendency every week to pump up the other team and oh woe is me how ever are we going to beat them attitude.

Edited January 18, 2023 by Scott7975

[henry jones]

Imperative that our D-line gets pressure without blitz assist.  With how our secondary has been, can't leave those 3 wideouts one on one.  Our DB play has been worrisome this last half of the season.  

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, henry jones said:

Imperative that our D-line gets pressure without blitz assist.  With how our secondary has been, can't leave those 3 wideouts one on one.  Our DB play has been worrisome this last half of the season.  

We can do the timely blitz. I am banging the table of at least one nickel blitz off the corner of the slot.

 

A delayed rush by one of our ILBs is also in the folder. 

[Big Turk]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Turning the ball over isn’t a big deal?  I don’t understand the point of this post.  

Trying to add this up:  you’re saying turning the ball over isn’t a big deal because pff gave him a good grade?

 

other than the turnovers- he had a great season.  He’s an elite of the elite QBs- we all know this….. but make no mistake about it, turning the ball over is a HUGE PROBLEM. 

Crazy how you’re STILL talk about this man.  

@newcam2012 bet $4.75 on the bengals money line

 

I posted in another thread why Turnovers are NOT a huge problem for the Bills or Chiefs in the way they are for the rest of the NFL.  In short, they play by different rules than everyone else in that regard.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

I posted in another thread why Turnovers are NOT a huge problem for the Bills or Chiefs in the way they are for the rest of the NFL.  In short, they play by different rules than everyone else in that regard.

I'm still mulling that. I think against SF it's different because they're the only offense I see capable of controlling the clock against us. 

[henry jones]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

We can do the timely blitz. I am banging the table of at least one nickel blitz off the corner of the slot.

 

A delayed rush by one of our ILBs is also in the folder. 

Hopefully we don't need to blitz often to get pressure.  

 

Side note... Any word on Phillips this Sunday?

[Brand J]

Line has moved to Bills -5.5. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

[Motorin']

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Turning the ball over isn’t a big deal?  I don’t understand the point of this post.  

Trying to add this up:  you’re saying turning the ball over isn’t a big deal because pff gave him a good grade?

 

other than the turnovers- he had a great season.  He’s an elite of the elite QBs- we all know this….. but make no mistake about it, turning the ball over is a HUGE PROBLEM. 

Crazy how you’re STILL talk about this man.  

@newcam2012 bet $4.75 on the bengals money line

 

I think @Big Turk has a really interesting thread on turnovers. And I think there's something it.

 

Because the Bills punt so much less than most teams, and have the highest 3rd down conversation rate, and go for it on 4th down... they steal about as many more possessions as they turn the ball over. And then when you add the turnovers the Bills force, the problem is mitigated. 

 

Sure zero turnovers is ideal, but they make up for it in ways that aren't usually accounted for.