We're on to Cincinnati(Bengals coming to OP). Sunday 1/22 at 3pm. Opening Line Bills -5

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said:

I sure hope Tre can play better this week. We will need him. But I truly think he ha snever been a great CB like a lot of people think here. He had one great season when our schedule was relatively light. He has done nothing since. I know he is average. I know we expect a lot from him. But man, he has been picked on for years. I hope we go CB in first 2 rounds and get a vet in here that can ball.

Yeah really need him. I want to believe that INT he got helped him a little bit. He has seemed a little better since and he has made a few plays since

[Dillenger4]

2 minutes ago, Wraith said:

The Cincy TD was not on Tre, it was 100% the perfect offensive play call for the alignment the Bills were in. The Bills were in zone and White had outside leverage with Hamlin inside deep and Neal, Edmunds, Milano underneath. Hamlin had to drop down to cover the slot receiver who ran a deep cross behind Neal and Edmunds. As soon as Hamlin committed, White had zero chance to cover the deep in route. I don't know if Hamlin made the right decision, the slot guy would've been wide open at the goal line if Hamlin kept his depth but it might've been a more difficult throw in between Edmunds and Milano. Perhaps Poyer should've rotated over sooner...

Joe Buck: "White got caught flat footed". But perhaps most of the viewers saw it your way. wink.

Either way.. it's a team game. Go Bills!

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

I sure hope Tre can play better this week. We will need him. But I truly think he ha snever been a great CB like a lot of people think here. He had one great season when our schedule was relatively light. He has done nothing since. I know he is average. I know we expect a lot from him. But man, he has been picked on for years. I hope we go CB in first 2 rounds and get a vet in here that can ball.

Before he got hurt last year… His three year run Was absolutely elite

 

His passer rating when targeted phenomenal… Pass break ups. phenomenal…. Yards allowed per route … phenomenal 

 

He’s coming back from a torn ACL at the most athletic position in the NFL… He’s not 100%

 

There’s never been an average corner who’s been named all pro… let alone he’s shut down amazing receivers 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Sestak4ever]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Before he got hurt last year… His three year run Was absolutely elite

 

His passer rating when targeted phenomenal… Pass break ups. phenomenal…. Yards allowed per route … phenomenal 

 

He’s coming back from a torn ACL at the most athletic position in the NFL… He’s not 100%

 

There’s never been an average corner who’s been named all pro… let alone he’s shut down amazing receivers 

Agree with you 100%. Tre also has made many game saving plays over the years that have been overlooked. He is smart and makes great in-play decisions. His break up of the pass to Waddle Sunday was huge. The things he does add up over the course of a game. Physically he probably isn’t fully back yet, but should improve each week. 

[Wayne Arnold]

I can't believe it's been this long since a Bills vs. Bengals playoff game.

 

The good old days. Were you alive when this game was played? Do you remember it?

 

 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

I can't believe it's been this long since a Bills vs. Bengals playoff game.

 

The good old days. Were you alive when this game was played? Do you remember it?

 

 

I remember that game well. I was 14. They did the Icky Shuffle all over the Bills in Riverfront Stadium. It was the Bills first AFC Championship Game. It was the first time that the Bills disappointed me. It would not be the last.

[Boatdrinks]

Just heard a stat re Bengals Football Outsiders defensive DVOA - At home 2nd in NFL, on the road 27th. That’s interesting 

[Big Turk]

29 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

I can't believe it's been this long since a Bills vs. Bengals playoff game.

 

The good old days. Were you alive when this game was played? Do you remember it?

 

 

 

Yes...it was a surprise trip to the AFCCG that year. We had played them earlier in the year(just like this year...or were supposed to) and lost 35-21 in week 13...got crushed on the ground in that game...232 carries on 52 attempts and turned the ball over 4 times. Bengals ran 79 plays and had 455 yards of offense.  Bills were 11-1 going into that one. 

 

In the AFCCG it was mostly a defensive game...Bills only had 181 yards and Cincy only had 249.  They still were able to run the effectively enough to control the game, again having 50 carries but this time for only 175 yards.  Esiason was mostly ineffective only going 11 of 20 for 94 yards with 1 TD and 2 INTs along with 3 sacks and a QB Rating of 44.6. Kelly was even worse tho, going 14 of 30 for 163 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs, 3 sacks and a QB Rating of 35.1.

 

Might have been the worst combined QB play in any championship game in the modern era, and if it wasn't it can't be far off. Total passing output for both teams was 25 of 50 for 257 yards, 2 TDs, 6 INTs and 6 sacks.  Pathetic.  Kinda glad the game doesn't look like that anymore.

Edited January 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[Patrick Duffy]

10 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

I can't believe it's been this long since a Bills vs. Bengals playoff game.

 

The good old days. Were you alive when this game was played? Do you remember it?

 

 

 

Wow!! I was 11 years old soon to be 12 back then. I had just became a Bills fan the year before in 87 and was a young, fresh die hard Bills fan in the making. Started becoming a real part of my young life in 87 and this sure does bring back memories. 

 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Are you betting on that? Another 3 dollars 😂

 

Elam held up pretty well against Hill and Waddle. I'm not suggesting we play man all game. I just see offenses having the most success against our D when they play zone without ever getting their eyes on the receiver running through their zone. 

 

 

Didn't want to bring it up but I won my Miami plus 9.5 points bet. Thank you everyone

 

I'm very much leaning to taking the Bengals +4.5 points. Too many points. I see this as a FG game. 

[Wraith]

11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just heard a stat re Bengals Football Outsiders defensive DVOA - At home 2nd in NFL, on the road 27th. That’s interesting 

Any theories on how this could happen? 

[Patrick Duffy]

16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just heard a stat re Bengals Football Outsiders defensive DVOA - At home 2nd in NFL, on the road 27th. That’s interesting 

 

Well there are people who take stuff like this much more serious than I do I'm sure, but even so that's a really big difference there. I assume most teams would be a little better at home than away probably.

 

But that's a pretty big gap for what it's worth

Edited January 17, 2023 by Patrick Duffy

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Wraith said:

Any theories on how this could happen? 

 

Perhaps they rely on crowd noise to create confusion for the offense and it helps them disguise things better?

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Bagwell358 said:

To me what this game comes down to is what defensive lineman want to step up and consistently win one on one matchups against replacement level offensive linemen. They are down three starters. The drop off to those guys looks significant in a few cases especially. I do not want have to get so reliant on Milano and Edmunds blitzing to get pressure and let Chase and Higgins have their shots 1 on 1 downfield. 

 

There is a lot of money and draft capital invested in this DL even without Von. I see teams with much less impact games more consistently than this current group. Time to have their best game of the season. 

I agree. At this point don't we kind of know what we have upfront? A bunch of middling linemen who are inconsistent and unreliable. It's pretty scary if we are relaying on AJ, Shaq, Rousseau, Oliver, Boogie, and Jones. There was a reason why the Bills spent a boatload of money signing Von. For the record, where is the guy? He's basically disappeared as far as I can see. I thought he was the leader and role model for the younger guys on D. 

3 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Not picking on you or singling you out here, but ever notice when this dude’s name is brought up it always seems to be this way? Maybe I’m not listening to the right things, but rarely do I hear people say “Bengals DC” or “Anarumo” like you normally would. It’s typically “Defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo”. No big deal or anything, just odd. 

I hope he is overrated and gets outcoached by Dorsey. 

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Bye, Tanner.

I'm waiting for the stat that the bills have won every game when Tanner wasn't on the PS.

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

 

These late season moves are head scratchers.  What could possible be achieved by replacing 3rd string players who know the playbook and have practiced with the team all season for some 3rd stringers who have not?

I’ll take a stab. Talent?

[Norcalbillsfan]

27 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just heard a stat re Bengals Football Outsiders defensive DVOA - At home 2nd in NFL, on the road 27th. That’s interesting 

Haven't heard that one, interesting indeed.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

I sure hope Tre can play better this week. We will need him. But I truly think he ha snever been a great CB like a lot of people think here. He had one great season when our schedule was relatively light. He has done nothing since. I know he is average. I know we expect a lot from him. But man, he has been picked on for years. I hope we go CB in first 2 rounds and get a vet in here that can ball.

I gave that post an eye roll because that’s just revisionist history. White was avoided for three years of his career. Look at the percentage of throws that were  thrown his way versus Levi Wallace. I’m sure that the player we see today is not the player that we saw in 2021, but saying he was picked on is just plain wrong.

[The Wiz]

 

 

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Bye, Tanner.

 

I am assuming they mean DT/DE Broughton?  I find it hard to believe they are trying to convert a DT into a WR.

 

Patmon runs a 4.48 and was on the Colts...2 catches for 24 yards including a TD against the Cards. Big body...6'4" and 225 lbs. Post up jump balls in the end zone?

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

 

These late season moves are head scratchers.  What could possible be achieved by replacing 3rd string players who know the playbook and have practiced with the team all season for some 3rd stringers who have not?

I know nothing about them but it's possible they better at acting like the Bengals wrs than Gentry. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Big Turk]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

I know nothing about them but it's possible they better at acting like the Bengals wrs better than Gentry. 

 

Patmon is a big body...6'4" 225 lbs. Decent speed, 4.48 40 yard dash. Was on the Colts.

 

Broughton is a DT, not sure why it's listed as WR.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I know nothing about them but it's possible they better at acting like the Bengals wrs better than Gentry. 

He's the scout team Tee Higgins, much like Tavon Austin was the scout team Lamar Jackson. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Patmon is a big body...6'4" 225 lbs. Decent speed, 4.48 40 yard dash. Was on the Colts.

 

Broughton is a DT, not sure why it's listed as WR.

Patmon is similar size to Tee Higgins. 

 

I guess Broughton is out on scout team WR 🤣 

[Blank Stare]

12 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

I won’t argue with success, but the typical home blue over white is my favorite combo. I think they’ve only worn it one time all year. Bummer. 🤷‍♂️

[Drew21PA]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

what kind of answer are you looking for? i am not afraid of joe burrow. i am making a statement about what our defense is capable of and know a few things.

 

if we flood short zones we cut off under routes but burrow can pass the ball outside the hashes quite well. with his depth at this position he can run decoys with one of the 3 - boyd, higgins, chase - inside. and easily just jump the TE to the oustside flat or even run a seam.

 

if we do simply flood the under zones it leaves the top wide open. we aren't capable of running man coverage and we must stick with what we know. i would love to see hyde return, but he will not be able to... so.

 

marlowe plays the short box in pair with edmunds. milano plays instinctive read/react to burrow to check his coverage or blitz. we play zone of cover 3 with poyer covering deep third. with johnson able to play nickel he is going to cover their slot in seemingly man coverage.

 

short of that i can break down a cover 4 scheme, with a 3 man front, while not even playing nickel defense if you'd like...which is an alternative.

 

how far in depth would you like?

 

 

You don’t feel that we will get pressure if we shoot the quick routes?

 

this is a football discussion board my man - was looking to discuss football 

 

yikes 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Drew21PA

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

I sure hope Tre can play better this week. We will need him. But I truly think he ha snever been a great CB like a lot of people think here. He had one great season when our schedule was relatively light. He has done nothing since. I know he is average. I know we expect a lot from him. But man, he has been picked on for years. I hope we go CB in first 2 rounds and get a vet in here that can ball.

Those who vote for the All Pro teams disagree with you. 1st team All Pro 2019, 2nd team All Pro 2020. He continues to trend in the right direction after his torn ACL and I look forward to him returning to full form next season. 

[The Wiz]

10 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I won’t argue with success, but the typical home blue over white is my favorite combo. I think they’ve only worn it one time all year. Bummer. 🤷‍♂️

Twice, 0-2 in those this year.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Those who vote for the All Pro teams disagree with you. 1st team All Pro 2019, 2nd team All Pro 2020. He continues to trend in the right direction after his torn ACL and I look forward to him returning to full form next season. 

Pff hasn’t been too friendly to tre so the pff disciples might disagree 😂. I’d trust the all pro voters over pff for sure 

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Pff hasn’t been too friendly to tre so the pff disciples might disagree 😂. I’d trust the all pro voters over pff for sure 

The next time PFF convinces me of anything football related will be the first time. 

[Blank Stare]

43 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Twice, 0-2 in those this year.

Thanks! Don’t want any part of that combo in a game like this then. 

[Big Turk]

What?  You mean Allen turning the ball over isn't as huge problem as some say?

 

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Big Turk

[Matt_In_NH]

3 hours ago, wjag said:

 

These late season moves are head scratchers.  What could possible be achieved by replacing 3rd string players who know the playbook and have practiced with the team all season for some 3rd stringers who have not?

It might give them more guys likely to be part of their off season and training camp next year.  A guy like Tanner Gentry will probably only get offered a job in Buffalo anyway.

[Boatdrinks]

37 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

What?  You mean Allen turning the ball over isn't as huge problem as some say?

 

 

Nonsense. He’s regressed! Nick Whatevrthefu@! said so! 

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Pff hasn’t been too friendly to tre so the pff disciples might disagree 😂. I’d trust the all pro voters over pff for sure 

 

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

The next time PFF convinces me of anything football related will be the first time. 

 

48 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

What?  You mean Allen turning the ball over isn't as huge problem as some say?

 

 

I’m so confused!!!!! So do we like PFF or not?!?!?!?!

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Nonsense. He’s regressed! Nick Whatevrthefu@! said so! 

For some reason, this Nick Wright exchange got under my skin. Yeah, people say that he's seeking attention. But he could criticize Joe Burrow and get just as much attention but he never does. In fact, no one ever says a negative thing about St. Joe. He's thrown 2 fewer interceptions than Josh this year, but none of his INTs are ever his fault. A stat line of 209 and 1 TD in a playoff game and they are measuring him for a gold jacket on the NFL Network. He was outplayed by Tyler Huntley FCS. 

 

Also, people in Cincinnati are getting out of hand. Women on Facebook are showing off their Sam Hubbard needlepoints. I had a grandmother yell "Who DEY!!!" at me in a Kroger parking lot and she was with her grandkids. 

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

 

I’m so confused!!!!! So do we like PFF or not?!?!?!?!

No, still don't.  At least that's me.

9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

For some reason, this Nick Wright exchange got under my skin. Yeah, people say that he's seeking attention. But he could criticize Joe Burrow and get just as much attention but he never does. In fact, no one ever says a negative thing about St. Joe. He's thrown 2 fewer interceptions than Josh this year, but none of his INTs are ever his fault. A stat line of 209 and 1 TD in a playoff game and they are measuring him for a gold jacket on the NFL Network. He was outplayed by Tyler Huntley FCS. 

 

Also, people in Cincinnati are getting out of hand. Women on Facebook are showing off their Sam Hubbard needlepoints. I had a grandmother yell "Who DEY!!!" at me in a Kroger parking lot and she was with her grandkids. 

Because the bills played the chiefs more over the past 2 seasons than the Bengals have.

 

He knocks Allen because he has seen what he can do against the chiefs.  

 

Burrow has as well but he has that "new car smell" to him that no one is going to criticize because he's very l best mahomes 3 straight times.

 

He's making Allen the villain and burrow the anti-hero.

Edited January 17, 2023 by The Wiz

[mikemac2001]

6 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

No, still don't.  At least that's me.

Because the bills played the chiefs more over the past 2 seasons than the Bengals have.

 

He knocks Allen because he has seen what he can do against the chiefs.  

 

Burrow has as well but he has that "new car smell" to him that no one is going to criticize because he's very l best mahomes 3 straight times.

 

He's making Allen the villain and burrow the anti-hero.

He also knows bills fans get pissed and it get clicks attention.
 

Seems like he has started some stuff against philly probably bc they are also passionate and wants clicks 

[WotAGuy]

12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

For some reason, this Nick Wright exchange got under my skin. Yeah, people say that he's seeking attention. But he could criticize Joe Burrow and get just as much attention but he never does.

Nick knows Bills Mafia will get all butt hurt and give him clicks. Bengals fans are either more apathetic or mature. 

[RichRiderBills]

Nick Wright and Cowherd's thoughts are insane. Coward ranting how McDaniel outcoached McD 3 times. It's damn ridiculous. He didn't watch the games, while I'm not going to boast about Mdermots in game tactics, it was clearly turnovers that have done it. That tells me he just doesn't watch the game. McDaniel was a clown in this game and made many serious gaffs. 

 

The Allen regression line is equally as stupid. First off, Allen isn't a project or development project anymore...he's a finished product and hopefully he works on his mistakes like any pro. There's no gd regression.  The notion he is even in a slump, is a stretch, and comes from a few bad throws and low stat games where we ran for 200+ yards. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by RichRiderBills