NFL grants YouTube TV exclusive NFL Sunday Ticket rights in the US starting in 2023(deal worth $2B+)

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Xwnyer said:

All illegal that’s why

 

They are not illegal for a person to stream. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by Big Turk

[BillsFanSD]

10 minutes ago, MJS said:

That should be the death of DirectTV, right? I imagine NFL Sunday Ticket was the only thing keeping its heart beating.

You would think so.  I mean, radio still exists so I guess there's going to be a long-term market for live television delivered by satellite, especially in parts of the country that have spotty internet.  But this is obviously a dying business model.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes, but with so many free options to stream unsure why anyone would pay for it.

Because if everyone stole it, it wouldn’t exist at all I suppose

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

ESPN + seems to have all the Sabres games. We get it for free in a Hulu / Disney + bundle when we got a new phone. 

 

Not all the games, but the majority of them.

 

I think when they are on TNT neither MSG nor ESPN+ can carry the game.

 

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, stevewin said:

Was hoping it would be Amazon since I already have prime and think they've done a good job with the thurs games.  Looks like I'll have to subscribe to yet another streaming service.  At least I don't have to give Apple any of my money

Thinking the same thing, can't believe amazon didn't throw more money at this. Especially already owning the Thurs night games

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

34 minutes ago, eball said:

 

For me it starts and ends with the user interface.  I was already subscribed to YTTV but saw a sweet Hulu Live bundle deal and thought I'd try it to see if I wanted to switch.  I didn't even last a day before I canceled the "live" portion and just kept basic Hulu for shows and series.  The live TV interface is awful.  You can't sort the guide and it doesn't make any sense.  If you Google it people have been complaining for years it seems, with no improvements.

 

Since none of these streaming services have lengthy contracts you can get one for a month and try it out with virtually no risk.

 

Now that the Ticket will be with YTTV I'm glad I've stayed with them.

 

did Hulu for a while, YTTV is better UI and it has nfl nw. Hulu did not when I was a live tv sub. So it meant one more fiasco when the one or two nflnw bills games popped up. 
 

I’ve also streamed ST forever without dtv. Will be interesting to see how google improves it, but it’s been good anyway for many years now.

 

this season it was only needed for like 6 of their games in my dc market! 

[Billznut]

Can someone who has YouTube tv explain the difference between YouTube tv and YouTube prime channels? Since these will be the two options for Sunday ticket. Everything I’m seeing online says the cost for either service is $64.99/month. Is that accurate?  Doesn’t make sense to me. Shouldn’t prime channels have a lesser cost since it’s not the same product giving you lots of channels like YouTube tv does? 

[nucci]

1 minute ago, Billznut said:

Can someone who has YouTube tv explain the difference between YouTube tv and YouTube prime channels? Since these will be the two options for Sunday ticket. Everything I’m seeing online says the cost for either service is $64.99/month. Is that accurate?  Doesn’t make sense to me. Shouldn’t prime channels have a lesser cost since it’s not the same product giving you lots of channels like YouTube tv does? 

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12769543?hl=en

 

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12770587

 

From what I can tell is you log in to your youtube account and just purchase Sunday Ticket without having youtube TV

Edited December 22, 2022 by nucci

[plenzmd1]

 

48 minutes ago, eball said:

 

For me it starts and ends with the user interface.  I was already subscribed to YTTV but saw a sweet Hulu Live bundle deal and thought I'd try it to see if I wanted to switch.  I didn't even last a day before I canceled the "live" portion and just kept basic Hulu for shows and series.  The live TV interface is awful.  You can't sort the guide and it doesn't make any sense.  If you Google it people have been complaining for years it seems, with no improvements.

 

Since none of these streaming services have lengthy contracts you can get one for a month and try it out with virtually no risk.

 

Now that the Ticket will be with YTTV I'm glad I've stayed with them.

 

Yep, had Sling when first cut the cord, YTTV blows that away. Interface and tech is so much better. Being able to segregate DVR by login is key as well. I would say only downside is the DVR..cant delete things, if you record a show it records ALL of them. No worries on space as there is no restrictions, can just make finding a particular show/episode harder

46 minutes ago, muppy said:

thank you for this. I have noticed some delays at times but it was the 30 seconds that was hanging me up. So basically these delays have always been in force but Ive never made it that big a deal or had undue concerns then. GREAT.  So I won't now either.

 

Merry Christmas and GO BILLS!~!~!!!

 

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Yep, when DTV first started and would be on phone to brother end of Bils game in mid 90's, he was always ahead of me by a good bit. Now with the streaming ticket, its funny as i watch the tickets on one TV, RedZone from YTTV on the other, and the ticket is a good minute behind, the RedZone about 30 seconds. SoI  have to delay the redzone cause they always a play ahead!

 

It really stinks if you like to live bet..almost useless for that if you want to bet next play etc...

Edited December 22, 2022 by plenzmd1

[Billznut]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12769543?hl=en

 

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12770587

Yeah those were the exact articles I was reading that had me confused. I understand how prime time channels work on YouTube. I’m just asking is there a monthly fee just for using prime channels in addition to whatever channels you subscribe to on there obviously. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by Billznut

[LewPort71]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Nice- we switched to YTTV in January and we love it.  

Thanks for that endorsement.  I am getting ready to cut the cable

and a buddy of mine also has YTTV and he loves it too.

 

[Rico]

Re: Youtube TV DVR.

It allows for unlimited recordings which is fantastic,

but retention is only 9 months, Bills-Pats playoff game dropped off mine in October.

[zow2]

Well, I've had Directv for 22 years, and kept it mostly because I'm an out of market Bills fan who needs ST to watch.  Finally i have the reason I need to drop Directv.  End of an era.

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Yeah those were the exact articles I was reading that had me confused. 

 

It is still all up in the air, but it's sounding like you will need to first buy YouTube Premium ($11.99 per month) to get the NFL Package.

 

There is a "sports disclaimer" on the YouTube Primetime article that was cited.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/12829186?hl=en&ref_topic=12462664

 

You may see restrictions for certain programs, like sports events, when trying to watch Primetime Channels on YouTube.

Content owners, like sports leagues and our other network partners, set these viewing restrictions. They vary based on your current or home location, the content you're trying to watch, which platform or device you're watching on, and possibly other restrictions made by our partners.

Affected programs won’t be available on Primetime Channels. If a restriction is in effect in your location, we'll do our best to let you know.

[Xwnyer]

13 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Well, I've had Directv for 22 years, and kept it mostly because I'm an out of market Bills fan who needs ST to watch.  Finally i have the reason I need to drop Directv.  End of an era.

Will be making the call to cancel Monday morning after last game against cheaters.  Need it for this weekends game and likely Pats game .   I will miss it.  The commercial skip ability in DTV receivers, PIP and other features can not be done in many of these streaming solutions.  Plus synching the sat feed and radio feed was so simple .  Oh well gotta learn new tricks for synching if only we could purchase a game feed with my announcers like MLB, NHL and NBA do.

[bobobonators]

What are thoughts on pros/cons of switching from HULU Live to YouTubeTV now, vs waiting until 2023? 
 

 

[nucci]

Just now, bobobonators said:

What are thoughts on pros/cons of switching from HULU Live to YouTubeTV now, vs waiting until 2023? 
 

 

If you like Hulu, I would wait. You may not need youtube tv to purchase Sunday Ticket

[bobobonators]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

If you like Hulu, I would wait. You may not need youtube tv to purchase Sunday Ticket

Good point. I guess I’ll wait and see then to see how they roll it out. 

Edited December 22, 2022 by bobobonators

[nucci]

9 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Good point. I guess I’ll wait and see then to see how they roll it out. 

how do you like Hulu?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

if you don't live in Buffalo, how else do you get the non prime-time games (which, this year, were very few!) 

 

I'm assuming he's referring to the many free but illegal streams.  Not that I'm not above using them, but they are more of a pain than a free legal method

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

They should just sell games individually for $10.99 each week or something like that and you can pick and choose which ones you want, instead of forcing people to pay hundreds of dollars a year

Nah, I'm good lol

what makes you think they would price it at $10.99 per game though? pay-per-views are usually like $50 per event?

 

if they do an à la cart option, I think it would be at least $20 per game. When a new movie comes out on a streaming service it’s typically about $20.

 

 

[Buffalo03]

11 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

what makes you think they would price it at $10.99 per game though? pay-per-views are usually like $50 per event?

 

if they do an à la cart option, I think it would be at least $20 per game. When a new movie comes out on a streaming service it’s typically about $20.

 

 

How often do paper view events happen that people wanna see? Like a boxing match or something? Football is weekly every single Sunday for 4 months, not a person on the planet is gonna pay $50 a week for a game. That would completely stupid. $10.99 a game is reasonable for people to pay weekly if they choose

Edited December 22, 2022 by Buffalo03

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes, but with so many free options to stream unsure why anyone would pay for it.

This right here, ^^^
 football is free in my world. 
 

GO BILLS!!!

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

How often do paper view events happen that people wanna see? Like a boxing match or something? Football is weekly every single Sunday for 4 months, not a person on the planet is gonna pay $50 a week for a game. That would completely stupid. $10.99 a game is reasonable for people to pay weekly if they choose

I didn’t say I think it would be the same as a pay-per-view. I said I thought it would be at least $20 per game which is right in line with a new movie that is released.

 

$10.99 per game à la cart is wishful thinking in my opinion.

[Steptide]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I cut the cord a few years ago and have been using the DTV NFL Student App.  

I use Sling for my "cable" stations for $40 per month.  I think I'm going to go your route and get the YouTube Premium.

I'm watching more and more stuff on YouTube so the "commercial free" will be a big plus.

 

These are the benefits for Premium.

 

Watch videos without ads

Download videos and watch them offline

Get background play and Picture-in-picture

Get access to YouTube Music Premium (costs $9.99 a month)

Watch all YouTube Originals

 

I'll just add on the NFL Package.

 

I share streaming services with 2 other friends so I'm going to look into the YouTube Premium Family Plan.

Maybe I can have another friend pick up Sling and I will take over the Hulu/ESPN/Disney.

 

NOTE TO NEW STREAMERS:  Find 2 reliable friends/family to share stuff.  It's the way to go!  I haven't paid over $50.00 a month for TV

and have all kinds of streaming services to watch!

in years and it's wonderful.

 

Personally, I watch YouTube videos more than regular TV. The $10 a month is well worth it for me.

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

They should just sell games individually for $10.99 each week or something like that and you can pick and choose which ones you want, instead of forcing people to pay hundreds of dollars a year

Nah, I'm good lol

 

That would be brilliant actually if they also added that option. Or simply sold a lower priced option to watch one team's games for the season. They could probably get a lot of people who won't spend $400 to spend $150 or whatever it would be.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Big Turk

[T&C]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

 

Yep, and you can watch all those YT videos without those annoying ads.

I like it for the full albums... no breaks, just tunes.

[muppy]

here's a thought.

 

If there are so many legit feeds to watch NFL for free does it not seem logical that Youtube know this too.  And hence price their product to want to attract the most folks to their service with the promise of dependable service, DVR capability AND innovative package or price deals for a product that is Legal?

 

I pay because I would have a hissy Fit if I was ever  not able to watch a game. I dont mind paying for my NFL football I want it to be as foolproof as possible with zero disruption or snafus.

[Buffalo03]

24 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I didn’t say I think it would be the same as a pay-per-view. I said I thought it would be at least $20 per game which is right in line with a new movie that is released.

 

$10.99 per game à la cart is wishful thinking in my opinion.

$20.99 would be max but I could see that as well

[HappyDays]

I use Hulu Live in my home and there is about a 30 second delay on broadcasts compared to cable, although I typically watch Bills games elsewhere to avoid that problem. But when I have watched the Thursday night games this year on Amazon there doesn't appear to be any kind of delay. So the delay might not be inherent to streaming, it might just be a Hulu/YouTube thing. Hopefully they get it fixed for the Sunday ticket package because following along with the games on here or on Twitter would not be fun if the stream was behind everyone else.

[Bleedbuffaloblue]

4 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Yep- you can watch any game!

Any Sunday day game that’s not blacked out in your area because it’s available on another network. No Sunday Night game or games on Thursday, Saturday or Monday.

 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Well, I've had Directv for 22 years, and kept it mostly because I'm an out of market Bills fan who needs ST to watch.  Finally i have the reason I need to drop Directv.  End of an era.

I managed to go for years getting the ST streaming package and never having to get DTV.  In early days I was able to sign up for it by lying that I couldn't get DTV at my house and it didn't catch it.  Once it did catch up to that, I convinced a friend that had DTV to let me buy/use ST on his account.  Then my kids went to college and I was able to use the student package for years.  I knew DTV was just looking to get the last cash grabs for ST the last couple years, they've just re-upped my student ST automatically (even though my kids are now graduated), where early on you actually had to send proof of enrollment every year.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

Yeah, that's one downside, small as it will be.

 

I figure I'll save $57/month by going to YTTV...that's $684/year.  Even if ST winds up costing ~$400, it's still a savings.

agree. Not being locked into a monthly TV deal with direct Tv will be nice. Maybe make up for the savings that way.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Re: Youtube TV DVR.

It allows for unlimited recordings which is fantastic,

but retention is only 9 months, Bills-Pats playoff game dropped off mine in October.

I just noticed that the other day!!  - i didn’t realize it was only 9 months-  grrrrrr.  That sucks!!

[Southern_Bills]

4 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

On one hand, I'm happy that I can finally ditch DirecTV, which is wildly overpriced.

 

On the other hand, I'm not happy about the Ticket landing on YouTube TV, which is also wildly overpriced.

 

I would have greatly preferred Amazon, Apple, Disney, or any other service that doesn't bundle football with a bunch of other channels that I don't want.

 

At least youtube tv doesn't have contracts, you can turn it on for just the season if you are like my household and we stream all of our shows. Football is the only thing I watch live honestly. 

[Meatloaf63]

4 hours ago, muppy said:

 Cost is what I want/need to know. The  NFL Sunday ticket  Will be purchased for my house . 

 

YouTube TV streaming the NFL is fine with me as long as it is dependable and the cost isn't outrageous. The direc-tv deal we had going due to customer loyalty was free the last several years

 

But a 30 second delay seriously? blech. I dont like the sounds of That. Hopefully they can fix 

I’ve had YouTube tv for several years. Extremely reliable, DVR very good better quality than Amazon. Will be interesting to see how much existing users get charged 

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

how do you like Hulu?

Ive liked Hulu so far - had it for about 4yrs now. I have a buddy who has YouTubeTV and for what I use it for (sports/live events/news) I think they’re interchangeable. As far as I’m aware Hulu may offer more in terms of shows but I don’t watch that so can’t really comment. 
 

With respect to Hulu’s service - I’ve never had an issue streaming or with Hulu being down. 

[Mark Vader]

4 hours ago, LeviF said:

Sunday ticket was on a delay as well. Not sure if it was standardized or not but the only reliable way of knowing what’s going on at the game in real time is either by being there yourself or following along with the lines at a Sportsbook. 

Or listening to the radio broadcast.

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I just noticed that the other day!!  - i didn’t realize it was only 9 months-  grrrrrr.  That sucks!!

That does suck, but I'm set up to record all NFL games, and I think for now I still have a Bills-Pats replay from NFL Network.

 

I've got all the college games saved too, unlimited recording really is amazing.

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Rico said:

That does suck, but I'm set up to record all NFL games, and I think for now I still have a Bills-Pats replay from NFL Network.

 

I've got all the college games saved too, unlimited recording really is amazing.

It really is.  Unlimited ftw