Mitch Morse December 2022 Concussion

[Trock]

1 minute ago, benderbender said:

If you ask McDaniel, sure. He caught zero flak for his decision to let Tua back in. People got fired instead of him being questioned. Even now, the first thing out of anyone’s mouth is the NFLPA this or the Union bargained neurologist that. Hell, LeBatard criticized NFL fandom rather than whisper anything about the coaches accountability. It was ultimately up to him, and he lucked out because Tua’s brain didn’t swell. 

Only reason concussions are a thing is because the nfl was sued for almost 800 MIL. If they can play, play them. It’s really just a headache   

[GolfandBills]

What a disaster this OL is.  It will be their downfall 

[iccrewman112]

1 hour ago, Trock said:

Only reason concussions are a thing is because the nfl was sued for almost 800 MIL. If they can play, play them. It’s really just a headache   

if I were him this would be the end for me. He just had a daughter recently (within the last year).  He has generational wealth so now it should be about health.
 

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, PSUBB86 said:

I feel like this deserves its own thread, given his importance to the OLine, and offense overall. 
 

This is concussion #6. At what point does he hang it up? Could it be… now?

 

I so hope he is healthy, fully cleared, and able to return soon. 

I am fairly certain the expert known widely for  his work on PTE, would tell Morse to never play another down.( have seen him tell players this before) Very PERSONAL decision tho.  It is usually a factor that not only after more concussions do they occur more easily , the post concussive symptoms may linger more. He obviously needs to pass the cognitive testing and protocol.

 

I feel for him; so young and perhaps his  prior focus in life for so many years could be taken away out of his hands depending on advice and testing.  Great character guy, quiet leader with class ! Honestly in my T&p’s even tho I just know him from games/ podcasts. Hard to tell completely also as I don’t think anyone saw what impact caused it , but could be I just missed it taking my dog out during the game at times. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

That is 6 too many. The man should go ahead and retire. it will be hard to replace him and one can only hope that they can find something in the off season. whether in the draft or free agency and get the Oline fixed.

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Morse is a key player and much needed.

 

 

He really is. He's very good himself. But more, he makes the players around him much better.

 

Any decision he makes I will have the greatest respect for.

 

Stay healthy, Mitch!!

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Thurman#1

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

4 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

What a disaster this OL is.  It will be their downfall 

Imagine playing the Niners d? Yikes 

[SUNTANBILLS FAN]

Until Morse went out a bunch of us where we watched the game were all man they are handling Wilkins, Phillips and chub. Losing your center and your backup center is out would hurt any team but we still won. I'm more concerned about tackling and how are not fundamentally tackling again. Common Leslie you better get to having tackling drills 

[HunTim]

Hoping for a full and speedy recovery.

Best wishes to Mitch and his family.

 

PS: Go Bills!

[eball]

Gotta hope this is a “mild” version and Mitch makes a quick and full recovery.  Chances of advancing far in the playoffs go down considerably if he is done for the season.

 

On another note, I expect Boettger to be activated off IR today.  Not that he is all-world or anything, but it would allow Bates to play C if Morse is out for any significant time.

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 hours ago, PSUBB86 said:

I feel like this deserves its own thread, given his importance to the OLine, and offense overall. 
 

This is concussion #6. At what point does he hang it up? Could it be… now?

 

I so hope he is healthy, fully cleared, and able to return soon. 

I woke up when this exact same thing on my mind we need to sign someone asap if Morse is out long term 

 

JC Tretter - Is available he’s retired but is finally healthy and I believe a team like the Bills can pry him out of retirement.

 

Matt Paradis - Paradis is also now healthy coming off a torn ACL and looking to get back in the league . 
 

Darryl Williams, Erick Flowers and Bob Massie - All 3 of these guys are tackle gaurd flex players and all 3 are upgrades over Quessanbury . These guy are also options if the Bills want to move Bates to center .

 

[Xwnyer]

Getting bates and Ike back will help big time but Morse is such a key cog in this maligned OL. Another concussion way too many 

[fergie's ire]

7 hours ago, Realist said:

When he went out, that’s when Buffalo’s offense stalled. He’s extremely valuable to this offense.

Very much so.  The offense moved the ball and scored touchdowns in the first half and looked much better than they have in the past few weeks.  Then, suddenly, when Morse is out it went to crap.  We've seen that happen before.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Morse has been very vocal about the amount of concussions and how he approaches his health. I have no idea how severe this injury was and I hope he is resting easy. He has doctors he consults with for his health both now and long term, Morse will listen to them and do what’s best for him and his family. Morse is a very smart guy who understands life is bigger than football. His brothers story taught him that. 
Having said all that, I hope Mitch is ok, as anyone can tell you who has had one, they aren’t fun. 
 

[ChasBB]

All the more reason important to earn the #1 seed and the bye - give these guys a chance to rest and recover.

[RyanC883]

yikes another concussion.  He really needs to consider retiring.  

 

Also, we need to draft the top center in the next draft (even pre injury).  Play that guy at guard until Morse retires.  We need a great backup center.  

[hemma]

Been waiting for this shoe to fall for awhile.  

He needs to retire immediately before he ends up like Kolb.

Kolb was kicked in the head in a preseason scramble.  He had also had many concussions.  Ended his career and had intense, nightmarish migraines and memory loss for years.

 

Short term -> Bates.

Should be Beane's #1 offseason priority.

 

[Sargent Hulka]

Morse had concussion issues when he was in KC. Seems he can't stay healthy. Bills should draft the best Center available in the 1st Round of the 2023 Draft.

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Gotta hope this is a “mild” version and Mitch makes a quick and full recovery.  Chances of advancing far in the playoffs go down considerably if he is done for the season.

 

On another note, I expect Boettger to be activated off IR today.  Not that he is all-world or anything, but it would allow Bates to play C if Morse is out for any significant time.

 

 

Yeah, this probably makes the decision for them (about Boettger). Bates is the Swiss Army Knife on OL, and I trust him at center. With him, it allows Mitch to take his time to come back; if he wants to and is able. Hopefully Boettger is ready to go. Although I thought Von Rotten and Quessenbury did decent after things settled last night. But man, can VR put more zip on his shotgun hikes, it looks like it is in slow motion sometimes?

[die hard bills fan]

If Morse out long then maybe Bates to center and Boettger to RG when both return.

[MrEpsYtown]

If Morse winds up having issues the way easier fix is to move Bates to center and find a guard. But we need two because Saffold is very bad right now. He was jumping the snap count on almost every play because that is how bad his pass pro is. But Morse has been excellent so I hope he is okay. 
 

FA centers include Rodney Hudson, Connor McGovern, Garrett Bradbury, Scott Quessenberry (David’sbro). FA guards include Justin Pugh, Issac Seumalo, Wes Schweitzer, Eldgton Jenkins, Dalton Risner, Nate Davis, David Edwards (ram).
 

In the short term they need to look at John Simpson. He visited the Ravens after clearing waivers. I have seen nothing else. He would be a nice fit adding youth and strength to that interior. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[EasternOHBillsFan]

6 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

What a disaster this OL is.  It will be their downfall 

 

The Bengals weren't a disaster last season, and we have Josh Allen, so......

[Matt_In_NH]

If anyone actually knew the number of undiagnosed concussions their heads would explode. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

21 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

If Morse winds up having issues the way easier fix is to move Bates to center and find a guard. But we need two because Saffold is very bad right now. He was jumping the snap count on almost every play because that is how bad his pass pro is. But Morse has been excellent so I hope he is okay. 
 

FA centers include Rodney Hudson, Connor McGovern, Garrett Bradbury, Scott Quessenberry (David’sbro). FA guards include Justin Pugh, Issac Seumalo, Wes Schweitzer, Eldgton Jenkins, Dalton Risner, Nate Davis, David Edwards (ram).
 

In the short term they need to look at John Simpson. He visited the Ravens after clearing waivers. I have seen nothing else. He would be a nice fit adding youth and strength to that interior. 

Nice list. You have given me optimism. Let's hope Beane delivers.

[nkreed]

8 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

If anyone actually knew the number of undiagnosed concussions their heads would explode. 

Literally or figuratively?

9 hours ago, ILBillsfan said:

getting Bates back will be huge and hopefully Ike as well(remains to be seen if he can play)

 

Bates will be key at C imo 

Yep. VanRoten's snaps were REALLY slow to Josh.

26 minutes ago, CSBill said:

 

Yeah, this probably makes the decision for them (about Boettger). Bates is the Swiss Army Knife on OL, and I trust him at center. With him, it allows Mitch to take his time to come back; if he wants to and is able. Hopefully Boettger is ready to go. Although I thought Von Rotten and Quessenbury did decent after things settled last night. But man, can VR put more zip on his shotgun hikes, it looks like it is in slow motion sometimes?

We lost a ton of our offensive playbook when VanRoten came in. Since he and Josh had no snap chemistry all under center snaps stopped. I'll have to rewatch, but I'm fairly confident that all snaps in the 2nd half were shotgun.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

If anyone actually knew the number of undiagnosed concussions their heads would explode. 

that’s the big thing here- this isn’t 6, the side has had dozens. Probably multiple since the last he sat out. We will see how this one affects him. 

5 hours ago, DrPJax said:

I am fairly certain the expert known widely for  his work on PTE, would tell Morse to never play another down.( have seen him tell players this before) Very PERSONAL decision tho.  It is usually a factor that not only after more concussions do they occur more easily , the post concussive symptoms may linger more. He obviously needs to pass the cognitive testing and protocol.

 

I feel for him; so young and perhaps his  prior focus in life for so many years could be taken away out of his hands depending on advice and testing.  Great character guy, quiet leader with class ! Honestly in my T&p’s even tho I just know him from games/ podcasts. Hard to tell completely also as I don’t think anyone saw what impact caused it , but could be I just missed it taking my dog out during the game at times. 

that expert would probably tell most of our team to hang it up. 
 

football is a tricky one. When these guys get hurt we want to see them make the right choices for their families but they are all at risk every time they go out there. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

9 hours ago, JMM said:

Very very worrisome.  You can see the fall off in the line play,  it's like night and day. Plus he's the QB of the line, making protection calls. Team just can't stop getting hurt.

Saffold plays like he is permanently concussed.  He is terrible.  If Boettger is well enough, he needs to be activated and start at left guard, and put Saffold on the bench.  Without Morse and Bates this O line is bottom 3 or 4 in the league.  Lets hope Morse is not in too bad of shape.  Every concussion is different.

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Saffold plays like he is permanently concussed.  He is terrible.  If Boettger is well enough, he needs to be activated and start at left guard, and put Saffold on the bench.  Without Morse and Bates this O line is bottom 3 or 4 in the league.  Lets hope Morse is not in too bad of shape.  Every concussion is different.

 

If Morse is good to go, I'd put Bates at LG and Boettger at RG.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 hours ago, JMM said:

Very very worrisome.  You can see the fall off in the line play,  it's like night and day. Plus he's the QB of the line, making protection calls. Team just can't stop getting hurt.

Bates could be back soon which would be much better than van roten if morse is out for awhile.  I think people forget we’re on a third string center not second 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Paup 1995MVP]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

If Morse is good to go, I'd put Bates at LG and Boettger at RG.

That's a great idea.  Bates was dominant on the left side last year.

[Shemp]

Rest Mitch for the playoffs. No need to play him the rest of the regular season, esp. if we beat the Bears. I've had six concussions myself, it's not fun...each one is easier to get and there's no telling how you emotionally deal with each successive one. With my sixth, I cried. Being center on an offensive line can't be good for concussions. I'd say try to play in the playoffs, then retire, hopefully with a Super Bowl ring.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Blah Blah

[Jerome007]

HIs history makes this a way concerning news than for most players, but we just don't know how serious or not this one is. So far this season, all the surprises have been bad for injuries, so the law of average says he will be fine.... right?

[gtw3]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there some speculation last off season (or maybe two off-seasons ago) that he may retire due to health concerns with these head injuries?   

 

I really hope he passes protocol.  He has suffered too many already and at some point you start to be really concerned for the individual.  From a fan of the team perspective, he is so crucial to our line.

[T master]

If nothing else this is something Beane needs to look for is a center in the next draft . I too hope Mitch is okay and able to come back but this is the second concussion since he's been here & this is a terrible time for him to have one but better now than in a major play off game .

 

VanRotten although him doing a good job when thrown into the fire needs to work more on that position going forward the O line has it's set backs but losing a Canter at the wrong time could be disastrous ...

[TN Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, Simon said:

He'll do whatever it takes to get back when it really starts counting and then he'll ride off into the sunset as a Bills legend.

May not be his decision.  Independent doctors make that call.

[Rich Stadium Original]

IIRC, last time he had a concussion, he went outside the area to consult a neuro-doc for advice. I think thats one of the reasons he was inactive the next week.

Even if cleared by the NFL, I would assume another consult is inevitable. His decision if and when to return will probably be based on that.

[klos63]

11 hours ago, Realist said:

When he went out, that’s when Buffalo’s offense stalled. He’s extremely valuable to this offense.

The line did do a great job on the final drive. Opening lanes for Motor and giving Josh time. But yes, I agree that Morse is extremely valuable.

[bigK14094]

I am not paying any attention to IKE returning soon scenrios.

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

If Morse is good to go, I'd put Bates at LG and Boettger at RG.

Totally agree. I've been saying this most of the year. When the Bills line was rolling late last year, it was with Bates at LG not RG.

 

The signing of Saffold has been disastrous as it has weakened us at multiple positions

[Kornfed]

Moorse seems like a good guy. More importantly a young family man. .... Hopefully he's ok.