BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Here we go again. No, he didn’t. He admitted to sleeping with her. He didn’t know she was underage, there are witnesses that say she was telling everyone she was in college, and in CA that’s defensible toward it being a criminal offense Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I bet Miami Signs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 did the Court of Public Opinion act hastily again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said: Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Does that mean social media rushing to judge him guilty before police/prosecutor investigated the claims was a mistake ? As did dozens of posters on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Sign him to the PS. Martin is only on a 1 year deal. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Probably didn't help her case when she was caught on video saying she was planning to "add more than 1 to her body count" that night before any of it happened. So someone looking for sex from someone at some point can't be raped? Adding one more to the body count to me also says she's had plenty of sex (no judgment)...has she raised rape allegations before? If anything, this helps support her case imo. Why was this time different? Also, can you even give consent if you're hammered? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, RiotAct said: or, they have suspicions that he did something but don’t want to waste taxpayer dollars for a trial that will almost certainly end with an acquittal. In other words , not guilty. Suspicions don’t mean squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. not that cut and dry in CA. I’m not gonna rehash all of it again, go read the original Araiza thread if you have a few hours. But there are defenses to statutory rape in California. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Headed for PPP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Guessing you did not see the video of the girl bragging about how she was going to be adding more than 1 to her body count that night? My guess is she imagined it being more enjoyable than it was (3:1), and decided to stir up some **** afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: And another assault is swept under the rug. No wonder why women often do not go to the police or school to report an assault. They immediately become the accused not the other way around. Sad. And you know this is what happened how? Can you provide the board with the results of your interviews of the witnesses, examining of all the evidence the police have, etc that led you to conclude he is guilty and its just being swept under the rug? You do realize it's entirely possible that an assault DID happen to this woman and that Araiza did NOT participate or have anything to do with it right? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. Is it? Quote Having an attorney who specializes in defending against California sex crimes is the key to safeguarding your rights and protecting your future. A good attorney knows that there are certain legal defenses that can help you beat the charges. Two of the most helpful legal defenses are: You honestly and reasonably believed the minor was over 18, and No actual sexual intercourse took place. https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/261-5/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Cleveland Browns on line 1... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Doesn’t matter regardless he admitted to sleeping with her and she was underage. That alone legally would have to make him register as a sex offender. It’s statutory rape. Some states it doesn't matter, some states it does. It DOES matter in California: 1) Mistake of age: If you honestly and reasonably believed that the person you had sex with was over 18 at the time you had sex, you can’t be convicted under California statutory rape law. https://quinnanlaw.com/sexual-assault/california-statutory-rape/#:~:text=1) Mistake of age%3A If,under California statutory rape law. Edited December 7, 2022 by Big Turk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, TheProcess said: Sign him to the PS. Martin is only on a 1 year deal. would he want to come back to the bills. I realize they had to do what they had to do but, it could of left bad vibes and he signs elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. That isn’t what it means. It means they know it is a he-said she-said (as these frequently are) and there isn’t a good chance they will win in court. Doesn’t mean she’s full of crap at all. If they didn’t have good physical evidence, or camera footage, or other evidence like witnesses then there isn’t much they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, HardyBoy said: So someone looking for sex from someone at some point can't be raped? Adding one more to the body count to me also says she's had plenty of sex (no judgment)...has she raised rape allegations before? If anything, this helps support her case imo. Why was this time different? Also, can you even give consent if you're hammered? Cause the dude was a pro football player, and for a punter a rather high profile one at that.Did the girl or the attorney publicly name any of the other 5 guys and wage a social media war on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said: Cleveland Browns on line 1... Not happy with bojo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Pretty sure he's still being sued though right? Sued for what? What does he have? What's she gonna get? San Diego St season tickets and a lifetime supply of prophylactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, DapperCam said: That isn’t what it means. It means they know it is a he-said she-said (as these frequently are) and there isn’t a good chance they will win in court. Doesn’t mean she’s full of crap at all. If they didn’t have good physical evidence, or camera footage, or other evidence like witnesses then there isn’t much they can do. How would you interpret her comments caught on video that she was "planning to add more than 1 to her body count that night"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. No. They decided they couldn't prove it in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: would he want to come back to the bills. I realize they had to do what they had to do but, it could have left bad vibes and he signs elsewhere? Good question. I would think they left on as good of terms as possible. If he’s reasonable, he has to understand the Bills had no choice to do what they did. I think even Beane said they were telling him to go focus on that for now and not worry about football. Maybe that means they left the door open for a return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Is it? https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/261-5/ 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: It DOES matter in California: 1) Mistake of age: If you honestly and reasonably believed that the person you had sex with was over 18 at the time you had sex, you can’t be convicted under California statutory rape law. https://quinnanlaw.com/sexual-assault/california-statutory-rape/#:~:text=1) Mistake of age%3A If,under California statutory rape law. Thank you both for the effort of digging those out again. After arguing about it for 10+ pages in the original thread I just couldn’t do it. 😮💨 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 For what it's worth, Sam Martin is only on a one year contract. He's been great so far, but in theory Araiza could be back for next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. No, it just means they don't have enough evidence to convict him. The hardest thing to do is say "I don't know" but that's all we can do in this case. I won't be surprised if Araiza lands with a team next year, but I highly doubt he'll ever be a Bill again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Probably didn't help her case when she was caught on video saying she was planning to "add more than 1 to her body count" that night before any of it happened. Kinda shows she had an agenda for being there while lying and claiming was in college even tho she was underage and still in high school. Perhaps. I'm not here to defend her actions. She certainly could be young, dumb, and wasted beyond memory. That's usually a good target for young drunk college boys with raging hormones. Jaimes Winston would concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Not happy with bojo? They aren't pleased with Bojo's lack of sexual abuse claims. He's not showing initiative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I'd hold off on making any proclamations one way or the other until it is known what happens in the civil suit. DeCreep Watson wasn't criminally prosecuted yet still paid a lot of money because of his creepism. Now, if the civil suit is dropped without a payment the kid (Araiza) should certainly be given a 2nd chance at a pro career. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr. K said: No. They decided they couldn't prove it in a court of law. Probably because she was caught on video saying she was looking to add more than 1 to her body count that night...pretty hard to not to overlook this as a setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Remember when the Bills didn't punt? Yeah... Happy thoughts!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckets Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Does that mean social media rushing to judge him guilty before police/prosecutor investigated the claims was a mistake ? Ooooh, that never happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: How would you interpret her comments caught on video that she was "planning to add more than 1 to her body count that night"? What does that have to do with anything? The accusation was a violent gang rape. Consent can be withdrawn at any time even if she was of age and initially into it (which allegedly she wasn’t). I doubt any video like you are describing had anything to do with a trial not going forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I knew Araiza wouldn't be charged. I thought there was a possibility his teammates could have been. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Basically it sounds like they concluded the girl is full of crap and that Araiza didn't do anything wrong. the way they worded it is that they couldn’t secure a conviction, not that they didn’t have any case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the way they worded it is that they couldn’t secure a conviction, not that they didn’t have any case So they had an exceptionally weak case with no chance at a conviction. Sounds like you’re splitting hairs. Without being privy to all the details this is just another rush to judgment tried in the social media land of justice. Edited December 7, 2022 by PayDaBill$ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the way they worded it is that they couldn’t secure a conviction, not that they didn’t have any case exactly. Prosecutors aren’t in the business of pursuing likely acquittals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Probably because she was caught on video saying she was looking to add more than 1 to her body count that night...pretty hard to not to overlook this as a setup. So because she wanted to have sex with people, she's out for financial gain...? Seems a bit of a stretch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Who cares? So he won’t be punting for the Mean Machine. He can go straight to selling insurance or penny stocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: What does that have to do with anything? The accusation was a violent gang rape. Consent can be withdrawn at any time even if she was of age and initially into it (which allegedly she wasn’t). I doubt any video like you are describing had anything to do with a trial not going forward. So you are telling me if a guy went out to a bar looking for a fight and then you found out later he got in a fight and ended up in the hospital that you would be saying he played no part in that happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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