TN Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Cant sign everyone. Let him go and draft his replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Victory Formation said: $11M/AAV Otherwise I think we should just draft someone or sign a FA. I agree. The idea of paying him 1M more than Milano does not sit well with me but chock it up to inflation. If he's looking for 15-20, bye bye. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 47 minutes ago, Kwai San said: I really really would like it if he took the Bills for $15....sadly I think that many other teams value him more than the poster here at TBD. The dude is gonna get paid....here there somewhere. UGH! Anything more than $15m….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trock Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Milanos range no higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) He’s going to be one of the 3 highest paid LBs in the NFL. Edited December 5, 2022 by Big Blitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 It is very hard to say. Its pretty clear Edmunds is better than who ever backs him up on the Bills. But if we don't keep him, we will replace him with someone not on the roster today. Would we better off with a different starting quality mlb in the for 8 or 10 million per year less than Edmunds and using the money to upgrade the oline. Bills oline is not even NFL average at this point. Protecting Josh Allen needs to be the priority in any long term plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Beane's plan all along was to retain as many of the very good to excellent, but not outstanding players as possible -- except for Allen and Diggs, who are both clearly outstanding. The outstanding players at any position cost considerably more than the excellent players do, and far more than the very good players do. Through heavy investment in the D on drafting, the Bills have a long list of very good to excellent players on defense. Hyde, Poyer, White, Edmunds, Milano, Oliver, probably Groot. All have the ability when things break right for them to dominate in a particular game, but none of them can demand top dollar for players at their position. The strength of this D is not individual star players but is the complete unit that Beane built and Frazier coaches. This has been a tremendous success and it was Beane's plan to be able to pay them all. It has looked clear that Beane is not trying to win just this year. He wants to build a dynasty and keep it going year after year, disrupted only in the years when Allen or Diggs is injured. Then along comes the chance to sign Von Miller, and all that planning apparently went out the window. It won't be Edmunds's contract that keeps the Bills from paying Poyer or improving the O line, it will be Miller's. For this year, probably next year, and possibly more years to come, Miller is showing he's worth what he's getting now. But he's the outstanding player, the one who does get nearly top dollar for his position, and that disrupts all of Beane's planning. If we get OBJ, that's going to make it even harder to keep the D intact. And the only reason I'd like to see Beane go ahead with signing OBJ, is that I don't think he's going to pay Poyer. Which is a huge loss, since we've all seen the difference between Poyer and no Poyer. But, age. Beane can't pay Poyer enough to make him 26 years old again. I really hope I'm wrong about this, and that it works out for Beane to pay Poyer and keep the gang together. But go back to that list of defensive players above, and tell me which one you'd let go if you had to let one go. I think it's the oldest guy. As for Edmunds, I think the rest of the league thinks far more highly of him than most Bills fans do. And lots of teams will be willing to pay him. I think he gets $18M per year from us, or $20M per year from somewhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I'll pay him the market rate, wherever it falls. I think that salaries will go up next season, so his contract is probably going to look like he's getting paid at the top. It will quickly be surpassed by others and he'll be only around the top 10 in a year or two. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 4 hours ago, TN Bills Fan said: Cant sign everyone. Let him go and draft his replacement. It’s really easy to say whenever you’re in your championship window did you see how things were completing passes over the middle without him there 3 hours ago, Chaos said: It is very hard to say. Its pretty clear Edmunds is better than who ever backs him up on the Bills. But if we don't keep him, we will replace him with someone not on the roster today. Would we better off with a different starting quality mlb in the for 8 or 10 million per year less than Edmunds and using the money to upgrade the oline. Bills oline is not even NFL average at this point. Protecting Josh Allen needs to be the priority in any long term plan. Who would that linebacker be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I trust Beane. They'll resign him if what they value him aligns with what he can get on the open market, minus any team-friendly money Edmunds is willing to subtract. If they let him walk, MLB becomes a big hole and we can expect Beane to address it in a big way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 The Bills defense over the middle of the field is markedly better when he is there than when he is out. We looked worse in the games he didn’t play this year. He isn’t Ray Lewis, but that isn’t today’s NFL. His giant wing span and range is what allows us to play that 2 LB nickel scheme almost exclusively. I don’t think they want to alter their whole scheme while they’re find another perfect fit MLB. It’s more likely they let someone like Gabe walk because he will be overpaid and he just isn’t earning a $17 million paycheck he could be getting in ‘25. Personally I would sign him to a super long term deal, like 7 years with 3 team voidable, which makes his deal eventually cheap and easy to spread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: It’s really easy to say whenever you’re in your championship window did you see how things were completing passes over the middle without him there Who would that linebacker be? I am not a full time GM, nor do I have professional and college scouting staff. But it seems like almost every team in the NFL is able to find starting inside linebackers for less than a 10 million cap hit. Some will argue that that he is some sort of hybrid inside / outside linebacker. But all of the big money outside linebackers are profiecient pass rushers (Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, etc.) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/inside-linebacker/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 i think he gets 15-17 id pay that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Dopey said: Does he have to sign the franchise tender? If not, can’t trade a player not under contract. I could be wrong. Technically yes, but teams can work a trade while his agent works a new contract with the acquiring team (something they’d insist on anyway). Then he would sign the tag and the teams would execute the trade. There is an early deadline to trade tagged players to consider as well. FT for LBs was $18.7M this year. Projection is for it to drop to $17.5M next, though that will likely go up. OTC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I am not a full time GM, nor do I have professional and college scouting staff. But it seems like almost every team in the NFL is able to find starting inside linebackers for less than a 10 million cap hit. Some will argue that that he is some sort of hybrid inside / outside linebacker. But all of the big money outside linebackers are profiecient pass rushers (Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, etc.) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/inside-linebacker/ Cap hit is a slightly different question. They could have lowered his cap hit significantly this year, but that required paying him and they were clearly not comfortable that they had seen enough to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I think he's worth 15M which probably means he will get 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I think you have to examine cutting Knox pay or possibly releasing him and keeping edmunds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: I think you have to examine cutting Knox pay or possibly releasing him and keeping edmunds Knox has $12.5M guaranteed next season. He’s not getting cut before then. $10M of that is an option bonus that will be spread out over 4 seasons so there’s no way to significantly lower his cap hit for 2023 either. Edited December 5, 2022 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I am not a full time GM, nor do I have professional and college scouting staff. But it seems like almost every team in the NFL is able to find starting inside linebackers for less than a 10 million cap hit. Some will argue that that he is some sort of hybrid inside / outside linebacker. But all of the big money outside linebackers are profiecient pass rushers (Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, etc.) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/inside-linebacker/ This has been my point for the last few years. Edmunds is an ILB, he’s no hybrid of any kind. ILBs generally don’t get paid well, with notable exceptions for real difference makers at the position (and some busts expected to be). The premium for a difference maker and an average MLB is $10M-$15M per season. Edmunds has obviously taken a step forward this season, but is that enough to warrant the huge contract he will be asking for? And is that where we want to spend our cap space? For instance, it it means that we can’t keep Ed Oliver then does that impact Edmunds’ play? For me it really comes down to his contract demands and how badly he wants to be here versus how badly he wants the last dollar. I’d he wants top of the market, I let him walk. If he’ll take something in the $15M AAV range I’d give him more guarantees. I don’t blame any player for maximizing their earnings, but I don’t love having those guys as my cornerstones. I’d rather have guys that value being here. Milano certainly did that with his contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 People have mentioned it but let me put this flat out there: if we can only afford Edmunds OR Oliver, who do you pay? (Play the game and only pick one and don't say make both work; we're tight against the cap and need to upgrade the O-line too.) I think I'm leaning Oliver... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 One other thought: After a certain team achievement is reached* players often focus more on their contracts. One hopes the Bills have that issue after this season concludes. * Note the skillful jinx avoidance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I don't know that the Bills offer will be enough to keep him here there is little team loyalty when there is a boat load of money shoved in your bank account . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Milano plus inflation is the highest I’d go. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: Milano plus inflation is the highest I’d go. That's where I'm at, but I doubt it's enough to keep him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 The Bills will pay him in the top 5 of ILBs and I won't disagree. He's always been an integral part of this defense. I think we see the Bills LB spending go up and safety spending go down. But one thing is for sure, the Bills will continue spending on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) Thanks everybody for voting and opinions. I started this thread having no clue and I still don't have any I think that he gets $17-18M on open market but I don't want to pay him that much. And I don't think he gives us much of a discount. Another thing to consider is that Milano signed $42/4 just 2 years ago. How will he respond if Edmunds gets much more? Do we think that he is actually worth much more? One thing I have in mind is Taron Johnson. Lately I was thinking that he might become cap casualty if we extend Edmunds. Before this season I didn't think this was an option, but now I do. We can save roughly $7M if we release him post June 1 with $2,5M dead cap in 2024. Since our cap will be really tight next year, I really can imagine that those $7M might become handy. And if you are Beane and can choose between keeping Taron and letting TE go, and keeping Edmunds, cutting Taron and replacing him with Neal/cheap FA/5th round draft pick, I can see him going this direction. Just a thought. EDIT: Oh and if we keep Edmunds then Poyer has no chance to stay imo. But that is probably fine with me (I love Poyer as a player but you can't pay everyone). Keep Edmunds, let Poyer and Johnson go. Edited December 5, 2022 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Regardless of your stance on Edmunds, he's going to get @ $20 million per year because that's how the FA game works. So the real question is if you are Beane and the front office are you willing to pay that? And the answer is absolutely not and they know they can't anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 I'd give him $6-$8. Why should he make as much as Milano when Milano is the far superior player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 20 hours ago, Chaos said: It is very hard to say. Its pretty clear Edmunds is better than who ever backs him up on the Bills. But if we don't keep him, we will replace him with someone not on the roster today. Would we better off with a different starting quality mlb in the for 8 or 10 million per year less than Edmunds and using the money to upgrade the oline. Bills oline is not even NFL average at this point. Protecting Josh Allen needs to be the priority in any long term plan. Bills o-line is slightly above average at this point. The D would be a lot worse without him. You only have to look at how they've played when he's not here. That's not something that only started this yearl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Bills o-line is slightly above average at this point. The D would be a lot worse without him. You only have to look at how they've played when he's not here. That's not something that only started this yearl I know we are supposed to hate PFF but they are one of the only sites that rank olives. They rank the bills below average at 22nd. Probably more reliable than your eye test of a couple of games per week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Home town discount. 5 years 30 million. Thanks in advance Tremaine, much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Have to pay Oliver too. Expensive off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 $15 per for 4 yrs. Maybe throw in a COLA as a small nudge, $36 guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 He’s not better than Milano so I would pay him off the Milano contract. 4 years 50mil 30 mil guaranteed. The increase is not because he is better than Milano it is because of his youth and projected cap increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: He’s not better than Milano so I would pay him off the Milano contract. 4 years 50mil 30 mil guaranteed. The increase is not because he is better than Milano it is because of his youth and projected cap increase. This would be beyond amazing. Not gonna happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Oliver>Edmunds I he stops you from keeping Oliver let him walk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Chaos said: I know we are supposed to hate PFF but they are one of the only sites that rank olives. They rank the bills below average at 22nd. Probably more reliable than your eye test of a couple of games per week. The Bills oline is MUCH more like the 22nd best in the league than it is "just above average." It is "just below average"... 22nd feels fair enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 I have him at 13.5 million a year. Would put him just about top five at his position. Given his play this year he is probably in the 5-6 range of players at his position. Take the Shaq Thompson salary of 13,540,000 annually adjust for the salary cap going up to 225,000,000 that puts you at 14,632,564, adjust again for playing time missed over a sample size of three years (86% games played) leaves you at 12,584,000, give him the extra million for percentage of snaps and I think 13.5 million is a good number for the guy. Tremaine is probably young enough to get two mega contracts in his time in the NFL barring injury. Hate that the Jets, Colts, and 49ers paid their ILBs 19 million plus, just absolutely stupid money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) I feel dumber after reading some of the comments in this thread. Thanks I guess? Yes, you retain your pro bowl LB that has improved every year. I know it pisses people off because they don't want to be wrong, but oh well. People are forgetting the fact the cap is going up to 220-230 mill next year. They will end up retaining both Edmunds and Oliver Edited December 6, 2022 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 15 mil seems fair for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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