Tre'Davious White - when will he be ready?

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Does GR archive the recordings to listen to? Idk, I've never looked. But I'd legitimately love to hear what was actually said. 

Yes - go to Audacy - WGR - see full schedule. 

[Einstein's Dog]

16 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

His situation is going to HAVE TO go from "push" to "shove" at some point.

 

He has some sort of psychological hurdle he needs to get over, and it's not clear that he is going to get over it.

 

The longer he sits out, the more you wonder.

 

Why are you assuming it HAS TO go from "push" to "shove"?  Certainly a possibility is Tre will eventually feel comfortable enough to play, simple as that.

 

He may, or may not, have psychological issues to get over.  It might be he doesn't feel 100% and doesn't feel the knee is ready.  And he may feel he is  the best judge of when he is ready.

 

It seems the longer he sits out, the more you will use it to justify your already concluded view.

[Dopey]

4 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I've been getting slammed for 2 weeks now.  I'm feeling more and more proud of my stance as each game passes.  Right now Tre White is $17M in dead cap for this team.  It's preventing us from being a serious contender for OBJ.

Awe, how cute.

43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I said we won the game.  It was over.  Then…Allen fumbled the game away.  
 

And our defense was doing fine until we lost Edmunds in the second half.  
 

Tre had nothing to do with why we lost.  

Let's not forget Josh's 2 ints and Devin's fumble.

[Freddie's Dead]

16 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I think the other rational take is that if he cannot lace them up for whatever reason and play, the team should seriously consider putting him on IR to make room for other moves.

 

The longer that decision drags out, the more logical IR looks.

 

That does not have to be a knock on White, but the team's staff has to consider when and where they draw that line.

 

My hope is that he fully recovers and gets his old swagger back.

 

 

 

 

This is a reasonable take.  I think this is all on the team.  McD isn't doing Tre' any favors with his BS non-answers which just generate a bunch of Tre' is a puss speculation.

[Brand J]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

This is a reasonable take.  I think this is all on the team.  McD isn't doing Tre' any favors with his BS non-answers which just generate a bunch of Tre' is a puss speculation.

If McD had it to do over again, I’d be surprised if he didn’t take a different stance/approach and say early “Tre White will practice but he won’t play in the game. We don’t feel he’s ready to contribute right now, but will monitor the situation going forward on a week to week basis.” Even if he didn’t believe Tre wasn’t ready to contribute, it’d stop the questioning and the blowback on White. I think that would’ve been the most prudent approach. 

[julian]

2 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

OMG! Tre White is mentally ill. I read it right here!

 

that’s the last straw… we’re well and truly cursed.

And there you go again acting as though having a mental roadblock is some weakness that’s not a real thing for athletes. You could have just disagreed instead of the age old tactic of misrepresentation.

 

 I broke my back in 4 places and needed fusion surgery… I was diagnosed with clinical depression and was totally unaware of how debilitating  mentally and emotionally it would be to overcome.

 

 It’s a real thing for injured athletes and you should respect it instead of laughing at the mere thought of it.

 

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

When did McDermott say Tre was holding himself out?

It was secondary and now that I see this looks like it was conjecture.  Chris Brown said on his show today that the Bills "were being patient and supporting Tre's feeling that he wasn't ready to play"   

 

I'll take the L here.  If it was indeed a team decision than its not on Tre.

[Airseven]

38 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Not lookin’ great for Turkey Day, either.

 

He's 100% out for Thursday. If he didn't play yesterday, he's not suddenly suiting up 4 days later.

[Bruffalo]

46 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Doesn't stop you from blindly and ignorantly firing off comments trying to get a laugh, though.

 

That's how this place operates.  The IQ here is quite a bit below room temperature.

 

 

 

Who pissed in your cheerios man?  So much anger for literally nothing. 

[KellyToTasker]

10 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

He's 100% out for Thursday. If he didn't play yesterday, he's not suddenly suiting up 4 days later.

Unless he didn’t want to do back to back games on the same type of turf he was injured on. Start with one. 

[Brand J]

12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

It was secondary and now that I see this looks like it was conjecture.  Chris Brown said on his show today that the Bills "were being patient and supporting Tre's feeling that he wasn't ready to play"   

 

I'll take the L here.  If it was indeed a team decision than its not on Tre.

This is what it has been all along, that’s your team decision. Tre isn’t ready to play, but it’s not because the staff is holding him out. And it isn’t because he’s still physically injured to some degree as a few have surmised. 

[Warriorspikes51]

If he doesn’t play at NE then I’ll be concerned

[billieve420]

If Bills were winning this would be a non-issue. Rather let the rookies get as many snaps as possible especially if White is not all the way back in terms of performance this year. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Logic]

13 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

If Bills were winning this would be a non-issue.

Yeah. If only the Bills were like...7-3 and one game out of the AFC 1-seed, we could all chill out and let Tre come back when he's ready.

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, julian said:

 It’s a real thing for injured athletes and you should respect it instead of laughing at the mere thought of it.

 

Well said and I believe Tre is apprehensive about his return, at a minimum.  Listening to a lot of players who honestly talked

about returning to play, it is not uncommon and is a real condition.  One only has to google this to find all kinds of articles

written on the subject and recommendations on overcoming the affects.

 

I for one, can have a little more patience, but the time is coming where he will have to make a decision about his return status.

It's just going to have to happen for the sake of the team.  As to the "fans" poo pooing his situation, I give no serious attention to.

 

I'm confident he has a strong community of family, doctors, coaches and fellow players who are sincerely trying to help in this matter.

The macho "rub some dirt on it" and "quit being a puss" commentators are nothing but keyboard tough guys the whole world

has to deal with on-line about any conflicting issue.

 

If I was still a betting man, my money would be on Tre returning soon and this whole thing will be in the rearview mirror by the playoffs.

I also believe Tre is the type of individual who will give his honest comments about his rehab and return when the time is right.

His playful exterior is only a part of his personality and beneath is a serious and responsible individual, as far as what I have seen.

FWIW.

 

 

[muppy]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

Yeah. If only the Bills were like...7-3 and one game out of the AFC 1-seed, we could all chill out and let Tre come back when he's ready.

So Much LOGIC here hermano. That's the crux. Period. Punto. And I am fine with it when you put it the way. Good stuff 🙂

 

 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yeah. If only the Bills were like...7-3 and one game out of the AFC 1-seed, we could all chill out and let Tre come back when he's ready.

Terry Pegula definitely paying record amounts in cash over cap so we can be tied with 3 other teams chasing KC…. Again. 
 

If Tre wants to wait, that’s fine by me, but I absolutely understand the frustration.  
 

We have a decimated defense, guys playing through injuries and a guy that flirted with opting out is now mysteriously not playing.  
 

Not shocking how this has evolved amongst the fanbase (and some plugged in media) as this drags on. 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Maybe 8 or 9 defensive starters out is the critical number this staff is waiting for before there is urgency. 

[ShakAttack]

You know with Bills fans, the moment he is active to play on Game Day, he is our beloved All-Pro / Pro Bowl Corner again and all is forgiven.

 

The only way there is love lost is if Tre ends up not playing a single game for us this season, or if he indeed stinks it up when he finally does play.

 

But you gotta love Bills fans, most of these guys hating on him will be his #1 fan the day he is finally active.

 

 

[1st&ten]

Hopefully he can get a few games before the playoffs & be ready to go. Is there any news on Xavier Rhodes, I thought he was supposed to be half way decent ?

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

Hopefully he can get a few games before the playoffs & be ready to go. Is there any news on Xavier Rhodes, I thought he was supposed to be half way decent ?

He played yesterday 

[gobills404]

33 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

You know with Bills fans, the moment he is active to play on Game Day, he is our beloved All-Pro / Pro Bowl Corner again and all is forgiven.

 

The only way there is love lost is if Tre ends up not playing a single game for us this season, or if he indeed stinks it up when he finally does play.

 

But you gotta love Bills fans, most of these guys hating on him will be his #1 fan the day he is finally active.

 

 

Kinda like how the people who have been rightfully critical of Josh recently are still fans of him. It’s almost like you can be frustrated with a player and still root for their success. What a concept. 

Edited November 21, 2022 by gobills404

[dakrider]

If he doesn't play by Dec.1 then Bills should put him on IR and use the spot for someone else. 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Eastport bills said:

Hey everyone is losing patience but it’s management’s responsibility to get him out there. Jobs are on the line if we can’t keep winning. If the guy has been cleared to play, do you think he’s telling them he’s not ready mentally? Get him out there, with a brace if necessary, and spot him limited reps. Get him a sports psychologist to build him up. Let’s go, it’s a year already. He’s a free agent soon.

 

5 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

He might be medically cleared but still feel weakness or tightness enough to where he feels uncomfortable going at 100%.  Happens all the time. Doesn’t mean he is creating drama in his head. 

 

Or, here's a thought.  Both Beane and McDermott have referenced that Tre' has his own surgeon and medical team, and that there is a need to coordinate/communicate with them as well as with the Bills own physicians and sports trainers.

 

McDermott mentioned "checking boxes".

 

What if Tre's medical team has defined "boxes" to check and Tre' isn't checking them yet?  It could be a strength or a movement metric or, it could be a recovery metric - the day after a full practice, how swollen is his knee?  How much ROM does he have?  A recovery metric would make the most sense to me because I would expect Tre was meeting or close to meeting the strength or movement metrics before they opened his PUP return window and allowed him to start practicing.  But, the condition of the joint (how swollen, how much ROM) the day after a full practice may be harder to predict. 

 

For those saying "but but but he's not on the injury report...." it's my understanding that the line between "normal" training room visits and injury treatment is blurry by this time of year - for example, it's been said that by this time of the year, most of the OL are getting their knees drained and cortisone injections on a regular basis, but they don't show up on injury report for this

[Mickey]

6 hours ago, Deadstroke said:

Hey, I'm a homer and been loving and defending my team for many years.  I'm usually always in a player's corner when he may be questioned for underperforming; but this thing with Tre has gone on too long.  The latest reports now have him fully healthy but perhaps not too confident of his health/current abilities. 

 

He's getting paid a ton of money and it's time to earn it now when the team really need him.  The pass defense is getting abused big time.  It's time for Tre to show up and help out.

I really admire people willing to reach fully formed opinions without being hindered by a complete lack of supporting facts.  Bravo.

[dickleyjones]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

How so?

 

A year removed from injury and based on the way he waffled about covid, if there wasn't a setback, then it's reasonable to assume he has some sort of personal apprehension/hesitation about playing. That's not to say it's good or bad. Simply that, at this point, there has to be something else going on other than routine recovery.

So you admit you assume. That's good.

 

You should stop drawing conclusions from assumptions though. That's bad.

 

Considering we don't know and only assume, i'm willing to give tre the benefit of the doubt. He has earned that by being an excellent player, leader, teammate, and community member.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

It’s a team decision in the sense the Bills are supporting Tre’s wishes, but if Tre wanted to play, or felt he was ready to play, he’d be on the field. The “team” wouldn’t say no.

ok thanks.  I can sleep now that that’s been confirmed.  

[Buffalosouth]

Let's hope he is back next week. Don't want to see Jared Goff looking like Kirk Cousins against us....

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Mickey said:

I really admire people willing to reach fully formed opinions without being hindered by a complete lack of supporting facts.  Bravo.

Amen.  So many people “in the know” from their couch’s.  

[streetkings01]

I don’t expect him to play Thanksgiving, but if he doesn’t play the following Thursday against New England I don’t think he returns this season.

[Eastport bills]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Or, here's a thought.  Both Beane and McDermott have referenced that Tre' has his own surgeon and medical team, and that there is a need to coordinate/communicate with them as well as with the Bills own physicians and sports trainers.

 

McDermott mentioned "checking boxes".

 

What if Tre's medical team has defined "boxes" to check and Tre' isn't checking them yet?  It could be a strength or a movement metric or, it could be a recovery metric - the day after a full practice, how swollen is his knee?  How much ROM does he have?  A recovery metric would make the most sense to me because I would expect Tre was meeting or close to meeting the strength or movement metrics before they opened his PUP return window and allowed him to start practicing.  But, the condition of the joint (how swollen, how much ROM) the day after a full practice may be harder to predict. 

 

For those saying "but but but he's not on the injury report...." it's my understanding that the line between "normal" training room visits and injury treatment is blurry by this time of year - for example, it's been said that by this time of the year, most of the OL are getting their knees drained and cortisone injections on a regular basis, but they don't show up on injury report for this

This gets to the point where our management group has been keeping  to confidentiality rules surrounding players injuries . So fans are watching a third rate secondary the last few games with White being cleared to play weeks ago. Why would White be allowed to take direction from his private medical team when all the other players are advised by team accredited doctors and surgeons. Hasn’t White been practicing for weeks? Beane should have fortified this position before the deadline. We need to know what’s the window for White’s return is. The fans are paying for these monster contracts which limit player acquisitions. The injury happened a year ago. These complications are happening late in the process. Either our medical team or Beane has handled this player poorly.

[warrior9]

7 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

...and you sound like it's your money.  Is that you, Terry?

What? He's a human being. He tore his ACL and plays a position that requires a lot of lateral movement. If he and the coaches feel a few more weeks will benefit him, who cares? Do you want to rush him back and have him tear it again? 

 

Is that you, sports fan sitting at home on a computer criticizing and injured player for wanting to protect his longevity for the sake of your favorite sports team winning?

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

 

There's so much more to this story than what you imply; you should look into it.

 

 

Sure, send me a link. 

[Shemp]

They're gonna Kucherov White. (Play him for the first time in the playoffs)

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:

They're gonna Kucherov White. (Play him for the first time in the playoffs)

Wouldn’t work as well because he won’t get a 7-game series to work his way back into game shape. 

[warrior9]

5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Having torn my acl (and MCL + meniscus) I get it. It took me a long time to feel comfortable with my knee again. I’m sure he’s thinking about his career, not just this season.

Stop it, you can't think rationally here. The fans think he is just all healed and ready to go!! 

 

Let alone the fact that corners and RBs have the lowest chance of returning to form after a tear in their ACL.

[boyst]

4 hours ago, larrym said:

recovery must be taking longer than expected.  most aren't the same until 2 years after the surgery.  i've had a torn acl with a partial in my mcl and torn cartilage.  I can't imagine doing the cuts an stressful moves hes gonna have to do so soon.   My best to tre.  Come back when you're ready.

You're not in your prime nor working with the best athletic staff in the country.

 

Many of us have numerous injuries and been set back in our ordinary life but we aren't elite athletes nor are we having their training schedule to recover. 

[KellyToTasker]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

You're not in your prime nor working with the best athletic staff in the country.

 

Many of us have numerous injuries and been set back in our ordinary life but we aren't elite athletes nor are we having their training schedule to recover. 

 But we consistently hear from the Polk High, 4 TDs in a game type. I understand the point their trying to make, but don’t use the HS glory days as a reference.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

So he's only going to suit up on fields he feels comfortable on?  

Let me ask all of the "Tre needs to play" people this question, say he plays and the opposing WR torches him all game. Then what?? 

[thenorthremembers]

16 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Let me ask all of the "Tre needs to play" people this question, say he plays and the opposing WR torches him all game. Then what?? 

Then he gets torched but at least you know what you have.   Kind of a silly what if.   Do you just keep him out forever because there is a chance he may play bad or get injured again?