Week 5: Steelers at Bills 10/9 1pm

[Stank_Nasty]

I saw there was a bit of discussion a couple pages back on McDermott having suffered a couple losses to rookies. I dunno if this tweet has been pasted here yet but here’s the raw stats…

 

 

[BigAl2526]

32 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am kinda worried about the mobility that Pickett brings. I think they aRe going to need to contain him in the pocket. He has some wheels and will get out on the edge and run. 

You're worried about Pickett a week after facing Lamar Jackson?

[The Wiz]

Steelers fans yelling at the buffalo defense:

 

[ColoradoBills]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So who do you see Stevenson as beating out on the current roster?

If it's now

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Shakir

Kumerow

Austin

 

Well let's put it this way.  The entire NFL knows what Tavon Austin is worth.  He may get a call-up, but he is no one's full time WR.

Stevenson may or may not end up being better but it's the youth and potential that would be the question.

Even though he has been on IR he has had time to delve into the playbook and take a lot of mental snaps.

 

When the time comes Austin still can be on the PS and Stevenson can take a slot on the 53 and show if he can stay there.

 

24 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I saw there was a bit of discussion a couple pages back on McDermott having suffered a couple losses to rookies. I dunno if this tweet has been pasted here yet but here’s the raw stats…

 

 

 

Those 3 losses result in an 11-point combined differential.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

48 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

We just kept Lamar Jackson in check. I think we’ll be OK.

 

23 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

You're worried about Pickett a week after facing Lamar Jackson?

It’s not like I don’t think we can keep Pickett’s running in check, it’s that the defensive scheme may not be focused on that.

 

We kept Lamar in check because there was a spy and a real concerted effort to make sure he didn’t beat us with his legs. I think we have to do something similar with Pickett (though not to the same degree). He is a guy that is going to bomb it, or take off running— your raw gunslinger rookie. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

You are correct per this source

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/gabriel-davis/10597

 

 

Boo-boo foot

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am kinda worried about the mobility that Pickett brings. I think they aRe going to need to contain him in the pocket. He has some wheels and will get out on the edge and run. 

Honestly, I feel like we should give him the Lamar Jackson treatment. Worst thing we can do is go man-to-man and allow him to run wild on us

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Boo-boo foot

 

IIRC, that term was disdainfully applied to Jairus Byrd when he was unhappy about his contract and developed a terminal case of plantar fasciitis and a couple other players who were felt to be "goldbricking" on their way back to the gameday roster.

 

Do you think Davis is exaggerating the injury or goldbricking it?  Seems like the opposite from here.

 

But, the ankle does seem to be developing into a chronic and recurring problem and that ain't good for a #2

Edited October 5, 2022 by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

IIRC, that term was disdainfully applied to Jairus Byrd when he was unhappy about his contract and developed a terminal case of plantar fasciitis and a couple other players who were felt to be "goldbricking" on their way back to the gameday roster.

 

Do you think Davis is exaggerating the injury or goldbricking it?  Seems like the opposite from here.

 

But, the ankle does seem to be developing into a chronic and recurring problem and that ain't good for a #2

 

 

It might have started with Byrd but it's a TSW tradition for players with recurring foot injuries.    

 

More closely associate with Sammy Watkins though, I think..........he was basically a 70 yard per game receiver his first two NFL seasons.......then got "boo-boo foot" and turned into the kind of producer Gabe has been his first 3 seasons,  which is a pedestrian 36.7 yards per game.  

 

Considering that this foot injury won't seem to stop recurring I'd suspect he should have had a procedure to tighten it up.    Perhaps he did, it has failed and we don't know.   But it would be interesting to find out if the team has wanted him to get surgery and he has refused.   He isn't a big fan of medical science,  we know that so maybe he has been dodging the knife?

 

 

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It might have started with Byrd but it's a TSW tradition for players with recurring foot injuries.    

 

More closely associate with Sammy Watkins though, I think..........he was basically a 70 yard per game receiver his first two NFL seasons.......then got "boo-boo foot" and turned into the kind of producer Gabe has been his first 3 seasons,  which is a pedestrian 36.7 yards per game.  

 

Considering that this foot injury won't seem to stop recurring I'd suspect he should have had a procedure to tighten it up.    Perhaps he did, it has failed and we don't know.   But it would be interesting to find out if the team has wanted him to get surgery and he has refused.   He isn't a big fan of medical science,  we know that so maybe he has been dodging the knife?

 

 

 

 

I'm reading mostly about ankle ailments for Davis, but talk in this thread has distilled down to the dreaded Byrd/Watkins boo-boo foot syndrome. Are we conflating things for the sake of simple narratives, or is this in fact an actual recurring foot injury? 

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I'm reading mostly about ankle ailments for Davis, but talk in this thread has distilled down to the dreaded Byrd/Watkins boo-boo foot syndrome. Are we conflating things for the sake of simple narratives, or is this in fact an actual recurring foot injury? 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by BADOLBILZ
I edited it for you

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am kinda worried about the mobility that Pickett brings. I think they aRe going to need to contain him in the pocket. He has some wheels and will get out on the edge and run. 

Does he bring more than Tannyhill or Jackson? I doubt it. 

[HamSandwhich]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

“I don’t knowwww JIM!!!!”

 

it’s mostly ptsd from the chefs playoff game 🤮

I forgot about that bs 

[ToGoGo]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I'm reading mostly about ankle ailments for Davis, but talk in this thread has distilled down to the dreaded Byrd/Watkins boo-boo foot syndrome. Are we conflating things for the sake of simple narratives, or is this in fact an actual recurring foot injury? 

 

The next time those posters have wise insight, will be the first time. 

[Richard Noggin]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It's a blanket term for any recurring and production limiting injury below the shin.   Everything else is an upper body injury.

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Does he bring more than Tannyhill or Jackson? I doubt it. 

In my mind, Tannehill is a good comp.

 

 

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am kinda worried about the mobility that Pickett brings. I think they aRe going to need to contain him in the pocket. He has some wheels and will get out on the edge and run. 

GTFOH!  I am a Pitt Panther football fan and can attest to the fact that Kenny is not a running threat.  416 carries for 809 yds is less than 2YPC.  He did have 20 Rushing TDs in 34 games at Pitt.  He is a threat to run in goal line  situations like last week

 

 

[BillnutinHouston]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I saw there was a bit of discussion a couple pages back on McDermott having suffered a couple losses to rookies. I dunno if this tweet has been pasted here yet but here’s the raw stats…

 

 

 

But let's remember that these stats reflect both Poyer and Hyde playing (maybe a bit better coverage disguising ability than exists now, without Hyde).

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

In my mind, Tannehill is a good comp.

 

 

 

 

Tannehill was actually a really athletic QB who struggled to push the ball downfield early.

 

Pickett is more like a poor man's Joe Burrow or Kirk Cousins.    He can make a lot of throws and can get hot and look really good.   I don't know if he will develop into any kind of franchise QB.........but he's better than the sad sack check down artist Mitchell Trubisky.

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Just rewatched the first half of the Baltimore game. I watched only the offensive snaps. 
 

Man, that was brutal. A few things really stuck out to me, especially in the run game:

 

-most of their struggles came from out of 21 personnel, in 8 man boxes. I don’t know why Dorsey likes to pack them in and try to go Mano y Mano, but I don’t think we have the horses to just flat out move the LOS.
 

-they actually ripped off a few good runs in the first half. Singletary’s fumble was well blocked and he probably goes for 8 or 9 on that play if he hangs on. Moss had a five yard run on a nice hole. 
 

- We ran the ball twice on 3&1. On the first attempt out of 21 personnel, the box was stacked and the formation had everyone bunched tight to the LOS. Morse and Bates were blown up. The play never stood a chance. On the second attempt, we were out of 11 personnel, in a 2x2 spread set. The box was light and a handoff to l Singletary went for almost 5.

 

Other items of note: 

 

Drops from Diggs, Singletary, Cook (I’d throw crowder in here but that was a fast ball).

 

Multiple tipped passes

 

They ran on multiple occasions what looked at first to be a wheel combination, both times with Davis/McKenzie, but instead of wheeling  up the sideline, McKenzie banged it off for a 5 yard slant. 
 

Diggs is often open. 

 

Edit: Anyone know how religiously Dorsey sticks to his script? How many plays? 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by EmotionallyUnstable

[Since1981]

On 10/3/2022 at 10:11 PM, HappyDays said:

Tomlin is a world champion coach.  McDermott is not. 

Who is this poster? Marv didn’t win SB either, what’s your point? Go home. 
 

PIT at Orchard Park, 1st away rook QB. I might take that bet +14. 

[Low Positive]

7 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Who is this poster? Marv didn’t win SB either, what’s your point? Go home. 
 

PIT at Orchard Park, 1st away rook QB. I might take that bet +14. 

That guy has been a master troll all day. I appreciate the art.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

 

I think they should totally play Mitch. Probably their best chance

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

I think they should totally play Mitch. Probably their best chance

 

I agree kinda.  Probably their best shot but I think it makes it easier on us too.  We know Mitch.  There isnt much tape on the new guy.

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I saw there was a bit of discussion a couple pages back on McDermott having suffered a couple losses to rookies. I dunno if this tweet has been pasted here yet but here’s the raw stats…

 

 

 

Oh nice I wonder what database he is pulling that from

2 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

You're worried about Pickett a week after facing Lamar Jackson?

 

Not really but I can see where he is coming from.  Sometimes when there is no tape or its generally a QB that doesnt run much so you dont expect it then they dont prepare hard on it so they could get burnt.  Tannehil isnt really a running QB but he has burned us for instance.

[Low Positive]

11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I agree kinda.  Probably their best shot but I think it makes it easier on us too.  We know Mitch.  There isnt much tape on the new guy.

Frazier has an entire half of film. Probably enough.

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Frazier has an entire half of film. Probably enough.

 

I am not too worried about facing any of their QBs honestly.  Just a general statement saying it works both ways.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Scott7975

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It might have started with Byrd but it's a TSW tradition for players with recurring foot injuries.    

 

More closely associate with Sammy Watkins though, I think..........he was basically a 70 yard per game receiver his first two NFL seasons.......then got "boo-boo foot" and turned into the kind of producer Gabe has been his first 3 seasons,  which is a pedestrian 36.7 yards per game.  

 

Considering that this foot injury won't seem to stop recurring I'd suspect he should have had a procedure to tighten it up.    Perhaps he did, it has failed and we don't know.   But it would be interesting to find out if the team has wanted him to get surgery and he has refused.   He isn't a big fan of medical science,  we know that so maybe he has been dodging the knife?

 

 

 

 

 

How common is it to have surgery on ankle sprains?  Watkins/Byrd had lisfranc or whatever its called, is that considered an ankle sprain too?

[SACTOBILLSFAN]

13 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Frazier has an entire half of film. Probably enough.

Not to mention he was at Pitt for like 21 years. Pickett isn't special and him starting won't suddenly make a terrible football team better. 

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

I only said he has been given one chance since the 2019 season, in which he threw for 300 yards. I never said he was a "great QB", I've said he's a good backup and I'd want him as a backup. 

 

Not sure why a couple of you guys keep reading between the lines. 

That’s not what is happening. I’m not reading between the lines.  I’m just saying that he sucks.  You don’t like it.  😢 

10 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Why aren't you working in the league as a scout? Especially since, according to you, Danny Etling was a better QB prospect! Again, Tomlin has kept ONE QB around since 2018. He's done that for a reason... probably knows more than you about football.

Who’s reading between the lines now? I wasn’t worried about drafting Etling.  I knew we would draft a qb in rd 1 and Etling woiksve never been a consideration.   At one point, several prognosticators had us taking Rudolph in the 20s.  I would’ve been fine with every other qb projected to possibly go in round 1.

[Doc Brown]

Fun fact.  Tremaine Edmunds was born one month and three days before Kenny Pickett.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Fun fact.  Tremaine Edmunds was born one month and three days before Kenny Pickett.

Pretty old for a rookie. 

Kenny Pickett after playing the Bills Sunday:

“Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f**king Peace Corps.”

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 hours ago, freddyjj said:

GTFOH!  I am a Pitt Panther football fan and can attest to the fact that Kenny is not a running threat.  416 carries for 809 yds is less than 2YPC.  He did have 20 Rushing TDs in 34 games at Pitt.  He is a threat to run in goal line  situations like last week

 

 

 

I think college Qb rushing stats include sacks which is why the averages or so low. Just look at Josh Allen's YPC in college. Career 3.2 ypc and only 2.2 ypc his final season at Wyoming. For Josh Allen? Yeah, I don't think so. 

[Chandler#81]

One Miilon Dollars

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I think they should totally play Mitch. Probably their best chance

 

No way. I watched some Steelers games because I've had them in a couple teasers that have blown up in my face and Mitch has been absolutely dreadful. The guy is playing with no passion and heart which made losing the teasers all that much worse. I think the rookie catching lighting in a bottle is the their only chance. Mitch won't do anything positive and will still turn the ball over a couple times against this defense.

[BillsfaninSB]

Weather this Sunday?

[Scott7975]

35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Fun fact.  Tremaine Edmunds was born one month and three days before Kenny Pickett.

 

Damn Pickett is only 15?

[Ray Stonada]

Sunday forecast: sunny with a high of 57 degrees.

 

Fall  

[No_Matter_What]

Were the snapcounts from Ravens game posted somewhere? Didn't see them this week.

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Oh nice I wonder what database he is pulling that from

 

 

Judging by the layout I’d say it looks like pro football reference.