Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: People keep saying stuff like this... Hyde is the QB of the defense, Poyer is heart of the defense, Edmunds is another QB of the defense.. ok, cool.. All good players that were all on the field when we got ran over by power teams and thrown on by Mahomes. This Defense is, and will be, defined by the Defensive Line. There's a reason why Beane has been obsessive in addressing it. It hides a whole bunch of flaws and is what matters in the Playoffs. Fwiw, this is not normal Definitely the team goes as far as the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DQW87 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 This definitely having the look of one of those games that we might need to not punt again to outscore them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Johnson and Hamlin might have a big opportunity here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, SCBills said: People keep saying stuff like this... Hyde is the QB of the defense, Poyer is heart of the defense, Edmunds is another QB of the defense.. ok, cool.. All good players that were all on the field when we got ran over by power teams and thrown on by Mahomes. This Defense is, and will be, defined by the Defensive Line. There's a reason why Beane has been obsessive in addressing it. It hides a whole bunch of flaws and is what matters in the Playoffs. Fwiw, this is not normal I suggest you look at other teams IR lists and injury reports then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Sucks to likely be without Dane and Micah, but let's not forget we have: 1. Benford: basically a Dane clone, with more upside 2. Elam: think he eventually takes over CB2 by end of season (so early/extra PT against the best WR duo will only help when playoffs roll around) 3. Johnson: this is sorta a Dane situation from past year, where you don't like the starter getting hurt, but nice to see what he's capable of in a starter role...bc he might be Jordan's eventual replacement. Assuming Poyer plays, I think we are still in solid shape and hopefully can avoid any secondary injuries. Unless Micah injury turns into longterm, and nothing is certain right now one way or the other, then we are OK short-term. Micah, Jackson (miracle), and Tre are potentially then returning in the next 2-3 weeks. At which point, 2 difficult roster decisions: 1. Lewis: is he cut or traded? 2. Gameday roster: once Tre and Dane return, which corner sits on gameday? Just get thru these next couple weeks, hopefully unscathed and be back to normal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: Sucks to likely be without Dane and Micah, but let's not forget we have: 1. Benford: basically a Dane clone, with more upside 2. Elam: think he eventually takes over CB2 by end of season (so early/extra PT against the best WR duo will only help when playoffs roll around) 3. Johnson: this is sorta a Dane situation from past year, where you don't like the starter getting hurt, but nice to see what he's capable of in a starter role...bc he might be Jordan's eventual replacement. Assuming Poyer plays, I think we are still in solid shape and hopefully can avoid any secondary injuries. Unless Micah injury turns into longterm, and nothing is certain right now one way or the other, then we are OK short-term. Micah, Jackson (miracle), and Tre are potentially then returning in the next 2-3 weeks. At which point, 2 difficult roster decisions: 1. Lewis: is he cut or traded? 2. Gameday roster: once Tre and Dane return, which corner sits on gameday? Just get thru these next couple weeks, hopefully unscathed and be back to normal. We have a pass rush now so I expect (hope) Von and company make Tua's life very difficult in the pocket. Sacks, pressures, hits and lots of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Another day, another piece of bad news. What the hell is going on between games this year. It happened during the game, he hasn't practiced since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Looks to definitely be out for Sunday. Just hope he will be ok and can come back healthy after the bye. Against the best WR duo we will play this season 😡 I suppose if you are looking for a bright side, maybe a stinker of a game will get people to stop talking about this Bills team like the ‘72 Dolphins and the ‘85 Bears had a baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Augie said: I suppose if you are looking for a bright side, maybe a stinker of a game will get people to stop talking about this Bills team like the ‘72 Dolphins and the ‘85 Bears had a baby! Sure, sure, but I mean if they did... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Allen has been unreal going back to last year. Sunday we might need him to be historic. ...mind you "might." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, VaMilBill said: I’m worried he’s going to be out for a significant amount of time, if not IRd. Neck injuries are no joke isn’t a neck injury what made Wood retire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RyanC883 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, TFBillsfan said: Mercy, I hope he is going to be okay. No Dane, Micah, Tre and most likely Jordan P. at the minimum vs Miami. Offense is going to need to put up a lot of points on the board to help the D. Hopefully our front seven can put pressure on Tua and force him into a few turnovers. Benford and Elam are going to have to grow up quickly this week! Benford and Elam do have the benefit of practicing against Diggs and Davis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: made Wood retire? Yup. hyde is smart to get opinions. There are a lot of gray areas in health and smashing a suspect vertebrae into random things… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 do we need to add a safety at this point? Is Poyer playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, RyanC883 said: Benford and Elam do have the benefit of practicing against Diggs and Davis. Definitely true but neither of them posses speed even close to Hill and Waddle Edited September 22, 2022 by GolfandBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I can’t help but wonder if the doctor that evaluated his neck injury is the same one that dealt with Eichel’s neck injury. Dr. Cappuccino iirc? I think he possibly works for the bills and Sabres too iirc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: Dr. Cappuccino iirc? I think he possibly works for the bills and Sabres too iirc. Sal went to med school too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Elam and Benford will need to be sure tacklers this week as well as the rest of the defense. Let them catch the short stuff and lay the lumber to them. The DL have to shutdown the run to take away the playaction from the Dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Buffalo Matt's Second Opinion - "Rub some dirt on it and get back in there!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It's OK this will be an easy game for the Bills, perfect game for him to sit. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Rc2catch said: It’s all speculation right? Just like your statement??? Speculation yes, but based on history of players getting second opinions, it's usually major injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Why do people in this thread keep suggesting that this is a precaution? Much more likely IMO that Bills' doctors told him it's major and he's trying to get a second opinion because he doesn't want to be out for the year. My totally instinctive but **completely** baseless gut reaction is that he received some significant bad news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Westside said: If the trainers and drs for the Bills thought it was major, why would they let him go home after the game instead going to the hospital to get it checked out. ? What a bunch of Debbie Downers here. He did go to the hospital... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) That does it—flex the game to tonight. No one wants to watch Trubisky vs. Brisset, and I need an immediate resolution to the Bills' injury questions, dang it! Edited September 22, 2022 by MPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Speculation yes, but based on history of players getting second opinions, it's usually major injury. The fact that he's getting a second opinion is nothing but BAD NEWS for Bills fans. That's just common sense. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: There is no proof any of this has happened. It's a neck injury. He went to the hospital and was examined by doctors. He then, no doubt, had those results reviewed by the Bills staff. Now he is going for another opinion. None of us know what any of these people have said about his injury. Anything more than that right now is speculation. Speculation, yes, but why do players typically get second opinions? I can recall zero times when it was reported that a player got a good report from team doctors and then wanted to get a second opinion. It's always the reverse. 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The fact that he's getting a second opinion is nothing but BAD NEWS for Bills fans. That's just common sense. The level of denial from Bills fans in this thread is both cute and embarrassing. I'll delete my account if Hyde is getting a second opinion because he got a good report and just wants to double check it, lol 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: They've gotten A LOT of mileage out of Hyde. If it's close to a career threatening decision he should call it quits and retire to his beautiful home in San Diego(I believe) with his health and the bags of money. Won't be any surprise if they get a lot of attrition on defense in the next 18 months..........it's really hard to keep a defense healthy and together for as long as this back 7..........that's why Seattle won a SB as the youngest team in the NFL and the defense was shot just a few years later. Hopefully they can get everyone thru this season after all or at least the young backups continue to step up. Yea after this news I am not thinking about games or even seasons for Hyde. I am thinking career. He owes nobody anything. He had a neck issue in camp, another one here from a seemingly inoccuous incident. If the Doctors tell Micah Hyde it might be time to hang them up he should hang them up. In the meantime, even if it doesn't come to that, Jaquan Johnson now has an audition for a contract extension. I would expect Poyer to play more centre field and Johnson to go mainly into Poyer's normal role in the box. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: FWIW, this is on the official NFLPA Active Player website... https://nflpa.com/active-players/faq/should-i-get-a-second-opinion-on-an-injury Injuries are tough, but you have options for your care. We highly recommend getting a second opinion on an injury if: - Surgery is required - Your injury lasts more than two weeks - Your rehab seems questionable Remember we’re here to help you get healed and get back on the field. Contact your Player Director with any questions Also, how the heck is this all that's written about second opinions on the NFLPA Active Player website?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 There is something to consider in that he may have had an analysis at the hospital and by the Bills med staff but still felt more discomfort than he liked. Because of the long-term impact of neck injuries, he and his agent may have determined that it would be prudent to seek another doctor, a specialist at that, to examine him as well. As a former paid athlete, I cannot see how that would be construed as anything more than taking care of oneself. We only have one body to live this life with. Better use it wisely. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea after this news I am not thinking about games or even seasons for Hyde. I am thinking career. He owes nobody anything. He had a neck issue in camp, another one here from a seemingly inoccuous incident. If the Doctors tell Micah Hyde it might be time to hang them up he should hang them up. In the meantime, even if it doesn't come to that, Jaquan Johnson now has an audition for a contract extension. I would expect Poyer to play more centre field and Johnson to go mainly into Poyer's normal role in the box. Me too on the career thing. I didn’t want to say it, but that’s where I’m at. There was mention of Eichel up thread. The Eichel situation is one that arose from the desire of the Sabres to protect the player by refusing a risky surgery. The Bills—before and during the Pegula ownership—historically have been very careful about spinal issues. Derrick Burroughs was retired early. Kevin Everett’s ability to ambulate, and maybe his life, was saved by drills to prepare for his exactly his type of injury. Eric Wood left early. And Dane Jackson was taken from the field on a board and an ambulance in an abundance of caution a few hours before he walked out of ECMC. I have a hard time believing that the local docs gave Hyde’s neck injury a good prognosis with which he disagrees. I hope I’m wrong, for his sake. (And I suppose it could very well be that he wants a second set of eyes on the issue given his own history and the fact that he has a family to raise.) But, from a football perspective, the situation is concerning. Edited September 22, 2022 by SectionC3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He couldn't have gone that far out of town if he actually did go because one of the reporters tweeted that she saw him in the locker room after practice when it was opened up to the media. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 What is up with Poyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, GunnerBill said: What is up with Poyer? Foot, day to day...I would guess they are making sure nothing else happens to their secondary and that at least one of them is available for the game. He doesn't need to practice, he has been here from the beginning, he knows what's up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 starters in the secondary out against potentially one of the best passing attacks in the league…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Warcodered said: I'd say that pretty well eliminates him this week. I would say so…I’ve also seen people jumping to the conclusion that it is season or career ending. I’m not so sure about that, considering McDermott said he avoided major injury. However, we could be looking at seeing Jaquan Johnson for a few weeks. There are worse players that you could put on the field as a backup safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said: 3 starters in the secondary out against potentially one of the best passing attacks in the league…. For one quarter against a soft defense. The Bills have a ferocious pass rush, and Frazier will have the D backs in position to make plays, rookies or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: 3 starters in the secondary out against potentially one of the best passing attacks in the league…. 3 starters in the secondary out against potentially one of the best passing attacks in the league…. will make one hell of a story when the Bills win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: 3 starters in the secondary out against potentially one of the best passing attacks in the league…. Al 7 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He couldn't have gone that far out of town if he actually did go because one of the reporters tweeted that she saw him in the locker room after practice when it was opened up to the media. Good stuff…I think everyone jumping to “career ending” is making a helluva leap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Can we talk Haden out if retirement. Feels like he could still play safety. We need some bodies. 1 minute ago, JohnNord said: Al Good stuff…I think everyone jumping to “career ending” is making a helluva leap Ya. Likely was told he needs surgery of some sort...and wants confirmation. Doesn't want to miss season or significant time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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