How about giving Gilliam some touches?

[beacon]

Seems like a very good all around athlete, with some juice and size. Short yardage alternative instead of Moss.or maybe even Allen in certain situations. Great draft pick. Another small school hit. Go Bills!

[Heathcliff]

It’s coming. Our psychopath OC will leave no rock unturned. 

[Punching Bag]

They are already working on jet sweep for him.

He has done the jet sweep just to lead block but when opponents are expecting him to just lead block he will get a handoff.

[Solomon Grundy]

I'd prefer to see him lead block more

[Alfredo]

12 minutes ago, beacon said:

Seems like a very good all around athlete, with some juice and size. Short yardage alternative instead of Moss.or maybe even Allen in certain situations. Great draft pick. Another small school hit. Go Bills!

Wasn't Gilliam an undrafted free agent? Even better, eh?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Yesterday was the perfect amount of Gilliam. He’s a weapon. They just missed him deep. Anything that keeps Moss on the sidelines.

[Royale with Cheese]

If Allen didn't overthrow him, he might have had two TD's.  

 

He's our like 5th option but seeing what he did yesterday, you still have to account for him.  He's athletic and fast for a FB.

Several on this board have stated he's worthless.....he's a big part of our team.  He's out there a lot for a reason.

[T master]

21 minutes ago, beacon said:

Seems like a very good all around athlete, with some juice and size. Short yardage alternative instead of Moss.or maybe even Allen in certain situations. Great draft pick. Another small school hit. Go Bills!

 

I think i tis great they are using him more & he should be used because of his size as the power back & would probably have more production in that role along with the ways our OC has integrated him into the offense .

[Process]

Anyone but Moss. 

 

Said it before, but just because you suck at everything else that doesn't make you a good short yardage back. I cringe when I see him running out onto the field on 3rd/4th and 1. Or anytime really. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Anyone but Moss. 

 

Said it before, but just because you suck at everything else that doesn't make you a good short yardage back. I cringe when I see him running out onto the field on 3rd/4th and 1. Or anytime really. 

I feel like Moss is going to be traded any day now. SF makes sense.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Buffalo Boy]

   Do we not remember those second quarter dump offs to him in the KC playoff game last year?

    

[Process]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I feel like Moss is going to be traded any day now. SF makes sense.

Untradeable IMO. He offers nothing. There are likely several guys on practice squads they can just sign and get the same production from. 

 

Will need to hope McDermott stops being so stubborn in his ways and starts making him inactive and rolling with Singletary. 

 

But hope you are right. 

[Inigo Montoya]

I remember people's heads exploding the day the Bills announced Gilliam's extension a couple months ago.  I was surprised about it too but told my son I trust Beane. 

 

I still do.

[Hsker4life]

Our short yardage offense is bad. Still can’t believe we refuse to run a QB sneak from under center. Either that or JA is just horrible at it.

[DCofNC]

5 minutes ago, Hsker4life said:

Our short yardage offense is bad. Still can’t believe we refuse to run a QB sneak from under center. Either that or JA is just horrible at it.

It’s truly mind boggling. 

[beacon]

Thanks Alfredo. Didn't realize he wasn't drafted. Just another example of their scouting department being thorough. They've had very few misses since Beane arrived. I do agree with multiple posters that using high draft picks for running backs is a waste. OL and receivers round 1 thru 3 from now on. Keep Allen happy.

[Inigo Montoya]

3 minutes ago, Hsker4life said:

Our short yardage offense is bad. Still can’t believe we refuse to run a QB sneak from under center. Either that or JA is just horrible at it.

 

Josh is just about automatic on 4th and 1 keepers.  I think Dorsey is tinkering with other play calls to see if they can take that duty off of Josh's plate. So far it doesn't look too promising.  I suspect that in a big game in Arrowhead or in the playoffs JA17 is keeping the rock.

[DCofNC]

13 minutes ago, Process said:

Untradeable IMO. He offers nothing. There are likely several guys on practice squads they can just sign and get the same production from. 

 

Will need to hope McDermott stops being so stubborn in his ways and starts making him inactive and rolling with Singletary. 

 

But hope you are right. 

Moss has no trade value, you are spot on.  If cut, he’d be lucky to catch on an active roster at this point. 
 

I have to assume, Gilliam hasn’t shown the ability to be the hammer in practice.  Otherwise, he would be getting those carries.

[mushypeaches]

I love what Gilliam brings to this team, but if we're actively trying to get him touches, that means that we're not giving the ball to much more talented offensive players.  

 

Teams stopped winning championships based on having multi-talented fullbacks around the time that John Riggins retired.

[FilthyBeast]

The only RB's that should be touching the ball are Singletary and Cook.

 

But I'm all for giving Gilliam some touches if it means keeping Zack Moss far away from the field.

[Brand J]

I’d love for Knox to get more. If teams have to start fearing TE production, that’s just too much to think about defensively. Brady loves the TE, Allen has never really thrown to that position as much.

[Matt_In_NH]

He appeared more athletic yesterday that I thought he was........

[Amarillo Bills Fan]

Dorsey is just scratching the surface.  He'll get more players involved and there will be more gadget plays.

[transient]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yesterday was the perfect amount of Gilliam. He’s a weapon. They just missed him deep. Anything that keeps Moss on the sidelines.

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If Allen didn't overthrow him, he might have had two TD's.  

 

He's our like 5th option but seeing what he did yesterday, you still have to account for him.  He's athletic and fast for a FB.

Several on this board have stated he's worthless.....he's a big part of our team.  He's out there a lot for a reason.

I can't find the replay, but I'd argue Gilliam spinning himself around like an off balance ballerina had more to do with him not catching that pass than ball placement. I'm fine with a few plays as a change of pace, but if that's a receiver on that play instead of someone not used to catching the long ball it's a touchdown.

[Ta111]

1 minute ago, transient said:

 

I can't find the replay, but I'd argue Gilliam spinning himself around like an off balance ballerina had more to do with him not catching that pass than ball placement. I'm fine with a few plays as a change of pace, but if that's a receiver on that play instead of someone not used to catching the long ball it's a touchdown.

You’re right. He actually stopped running and spun and started backpedaling. If he had continued to run he probably would have had both hands on the ball. But I can’t fault him.

[Wyobills89]

I can't remember what that record we were chasing in 2020 was, something like a TD to so many different players. Hope we hit it this year. 

[HOUSE]

This guy could be the next Carlester Crumpler

[947]

The long pass to Gilliam last night was reminiscent of the desperation deep shot to DeMarco in the playoffs. Gilliam is fine on dumpoffs & short passes, but isn't a talented enough receiver to go get the ball out of the air downfield. Turning around & beckpedaling on a deep ball is the worst thing you can do. Knox would've turned that into a huge play, same with most of our WRs.

 

I was a pleasantly surprised by Gilliam's speed in the game, he looked more athletic than I thought he was. His TD was fantastic.

[Dan Darragh]

Bills' 2020 draft day haul:

 

2. Epenesa

3. Moss

4. Davis

5. Fromm 

6. Bass

6. Hodgins

7. Dane Jackson

Gilliam (UDFA)

Antonio Williams (UDFA)

 

Fromm was the only whiff and a lot of value was added especially considering no 1st round pick

[Utah John]

Gilliam might be called a fullback, but to me a fullback is a much bigger but slower player.  Whatever.  The game has changed so much that speed and space are what's critical.  Would Jim Braxton or Sam Gash have a role on this team?  

 

There is something wrong though when 3rd and 1 is the worst possible down and distance for the Bills.  I'd like to see Jordan Phillips get some chances as the RB on those plays.

39 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

Bills' 2020 draft day haul:

 

2. Epenesa

3. Moss

4. Davis

5. Fromm 

6. Bass

6. Hodgins

7. Dane Jackson

Gilliam (UDFA)

Antonio Williams (UDFA)

 

Fromm was the only whiff and a lot of value was added especially considering no 1st round pick

This is how strong teams get stronger, with drafts like that.  

[Malazan]

Honestly, I'm surprised we haven't seen a blackshear thread

[DapperCam]

He looked fast for a FB yesterday, could add an interesting wrinkle.

 

That deep ball from Allen wasn’t overthrown though. Gilliam stopped running, turned around and then backpedaled. If he keeps running his route it’s on the money.

[Bob in STL]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Anyone but Moss. 

 

Said it before, but just because you suck at everything else that doesn't make you a good short yardage back. I cringe when I see him running out onto the field on 3rd/4th and 1. Or anytime really. 

Actually his pass blocking is decent and he did a good job chipping Donald in week #1. 

 

I agree that he is going to have to get better overall.  As a runner he just seems to slow, he lacks the speed burst and the vision to find the holes.  

[aristocrat]

 

[White Linen]

How about letting Singletary get a rhythm before taking more of his carries. 

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, Process said:

Anyone but Moss. 

 

Said it before, but just because you suck at everything else that doesn't make you a good short yardage back. I cringe when I see him running out onto the field on 3rd/4th and 1. Or anytime really. 

 

DITTO!

 

Devin yards before contact rate is substantially better than Moss, and Devins yards after contact is better too.  This false narrative that Moss is a better short yardage back is factually untrue, and like you, I cringe everytime I see him come in instead of Devin.  Devin has better vision, runs with a low center of gravity and powerful legs.  

 

He finds creases and hits them fast.  Moss just doesn't hit the hole fast enough and doesn't make anyone miss either.  He gets his yards based on whether the OL wins up front giving him a wide open lane, or the play goes nowhere.  Devin on the other hand can make people miss and find creases and running lanes when needed.  

 

So I am 100% with you on this.  And honestly, I really like Gilliam, he is a tough player out there and valuable asset to the team beyond the box score.  I think he is a better option over Moss on the down and shorts too.  Not to mention, Devin or Allen.  

[Rc2catch]

7 hours ago, Amarillo Bills Fan said:

Dorsey is just scratching the surface.  He'll get more players involved and there will be more gadget plays.

I do think there’s a lot left in the bag. 
If they can’t stop your opening script of plays not much reason to put more on tape. 

[MJS]

They got him on tape. Put him in the back pocket for awhile while defenses needlessly prepare for him, then pull him back out in a few games once they aren't looking for him anymore.

[Airseven]

I'd say Gilliam was one inaccurate Allen pass away from a career day.