Dopey Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, transient said: Whether or not every member of a group perceives something as an insult doesn't change the fact that it was an insult directed at that group. If someone was to say "TBD is a bunch of jerks," regardless of whether members of TBD take issue with it or choose to ignore it wouldn't change the fact it was an insult directed at TBD. If I was to then say that was insulting to the members of TBD would I be speaking for everyone here or just acknowledging the obvious fact that the comment was meant to disparage the members of TBD? Your comparison is pretty weak, IMO. LJ directed this comment to one person. 6 minutes ago, transient said: Actually, the specific point I was trying to make was that not every member of a group has to feel insulted for something to clearly be an insult and the act of someone pointing out that what was said was insulting doesn't mean they're speaking for every member of said group. GunnerBill"s quote: "But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. " I know I'm Dopey, but that reads like he's speaking for that specific group of people and it was insulting to gay men. His words, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dopey said: Your comparison is pretty weak, IMO. LJ directed this comment to one person. GunnerBill"s quote: "But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. " I know I'm Dopey, but that reads like he's speaking for that specific group of people and it was insulting to gay men. His words, not mine. When someone with 1.09 million followers on Twitter tweets something, it's not to just one person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I have at no point missed the fact that it is an insult to everyone. Of course you have! Lol, you keep calling it anti-gay when you admit it is offensive in all context including hetero women. Honestly sounds like this is a you problem and not a societal problem. And I do feel that you feel that way, hope you are able to work out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Jackson would help himself by going down the usual “apologise for any offence caused“ route rather than whining about defamation of character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 10 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Reminds me a little bit of Roscoe Parrish. Lamar is unquestionably very important to the Ravens success. They started 8-4 last year with him as QB and when they had to rely on backups they went 0-5 down the stretch (even if they kept the games close). 4 of those 5 loses with Huntley atQB were all 3 pts or less coming down to the final 2 minutes. Thry lost by a total of 7 points in all 4 loses. that tells me it’s small differences thst can be attribute to other players or just missed plays…not so much because LJ was out. 9 hours ago, Beck Water said: The Ravens were 7-5 with Lamar vs 1-4 without him last year. Maybe we should ask "what does competitive mean to you?" As a free agent, in a league where dual threat QB like Hurts are mopping up and Nathan Peterman is still being activated on gameday, I think the market for Lamar as a FA would be huge, but I don't think it's gonna happen. The Ravens will franchise him if need be. Wilson is crapping the bed in Denver for the same reason he crapped the bed in Seattle: 1) he got a swelled head and became uncoachable. "Let Russ Cook" "I'm the best QB in the league". He decided he no longer needed to play within the offense and follow the design of a play, he knew better. 2) a lot of Wilson's success was built on mobility and the ability to create outside of structure and that seems to be gone In addition: 3) he's playing hurt. People expect QB to be bionic if they're out there, but if the football is a fraction off at the QB's shoulder, it's gonna be a couple of feet off at the target and that's the difference between completions, drops, or picks. 4) Wilson doesn't seem to have won the hearts of the receiving corps there in Denver and they're making 'career decisions' instead of climbing the ladder or laying out So far, Lamar seems willing to follow the design of his offense and is still in his prime for mobility. Big difference between 34 and 26 there. He's also by all accounts a supremely likeable guy his teammates go hard for. 4 of the loses with Zhu they QB were by a total of 7 points coming dien to the final plays of the game. These were to each of their divisional teams, green bay, and the rams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 hours ago, ArtVandalay said: Of course you have! Lol, you keep calling it anti-gay when you admit it is offensive in all context including hetero women. Honestly sounds like this is a you problem and not a societal problem. And I do feel that you feel that way, hope you are able to work out. No. The context in which Lamar used it was anti-gay. It was saying to a straight man you are gay to demean him which infers he thinks gay is less than straight in some way. It would still be offensive said to a woman. But it wasn't said to a woman on this occassion. It was said to a man. For the reason above. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Dopey said: Your comparison is pretty weak, IMO. LJ directed this comment to one person. GunnerBill"s quote: "But to that specific group of people him suggesting that guy do something not within his preferred range because it would be demeaning is offensive. It wasn't just insulting to that guy. It was insulting to gay men. " I know I'm Dopey, but that reads like he's speaking for that specific group of people and it was insulting to gay men. His words, not mine. Yes it was capable of being offensive to all gay men. They won't all feel personally offended by it. But trust me a lot will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yes it was capable of being offensive to all gay men. They won't all feel personally offended by it. But trust me a lot will. I have gay family members who would definitely be angry seeing this kind of grade-school homophobia. It’s possible Lamar didn’t think it was, and was just mindlessly repeating a slur, but it was lame, wrong, and reached tons of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. The context in which Lamar used it was anti-gay. It was saying to a straight man you are gay to demean him which infers he thinks gay is less than straight in some way. It would still be offensive said to a woman. But it wasn't said to a woman on this occassion. It was said to a man. For the reason above. That's not the point of the insult. The point of the insult is one of submissiveness, which is why women are offended as well. Is it also "anti-gay" when someone tells someone to shove something up their butt? 🤣 Sorry, but not a societal problem. This is your own insecurity/sensitivity projected on society. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 42 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: That's not the point of the insult. The point of the insult is one of submissiveness, which is why women are offended as well. Is it also "anti-gay" when someone tells someone to shove something up their butt? 🤣 Sorry, but not a societal problem. This is your own insecurity/sensitivity projected on society. You're wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Wow, who cares this has nothing to do with Bills Football.....carry on folks nothing to see here... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 16 hours ago, UKBillFan said: Jackson would help himself by going down the usual “apologise for any offence caused“ route rather than whining about defamation of character. He’s just not the sharpest knife in the drawer, even if not a bad dude. I wouldn’t pay him what he wants. He’s not PM or JA. Tag ‘em. Twice. Then goodbye lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: Tag ‘em. Twice. Then goodbye lol. That would seem to be the strategy here. Maybe he’ll come out a winner like Kirk Cousins. Or maybe he’ll miss that huge contract entirely. By that time he’s a 27.5 year old run-first QB looking for one of those 6 year deals …. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsBlue said: Wow, who cares this has nothing to do with Bills Football.....carry on folks nothing to see here... ... said the person who chose to click on a thread title which clearly is not Bills-related, then chose to comment on a thread that is clearly not Bills-related, only to ask, "who cares?" because .... wait for it .... it's not Bills-related. I f*cking love this place. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 hours ago, BillsBlue said: Wow, who cares this has nothing to do with Bills Football.....carry on folks nothing to see here... The Stadium Wall Buffalo Bills Community. Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL 24 hours a day since 1998! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 11/30/2022 at 1:12 PM, Gugny said: ... said the person who chose to click on a thread title which clearly is not Bills-related, then chose to comment on a thread that is clearly not Bills-related, only to ask, "who cares?" because .... wait for it .... it's not Bills-related. I f*cking love this place. I've just been annoyed that there hasn't been any new Edmund's bashing threads disguised as other threads like old times I was hoping this was one of those and was caught off guard and was upset so I lashed out 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Lamar wants a fully guaranteed monster contract. He has missed significant playing time the last two years and stated yesterday that his knee is not 100% .. still swollen. The contract negotiation this offseason will be interesting. I hope the Ravens blink and give him a top contract, but they do not seem to be that kind of organization. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/12/lamar-jackson-my-knee-remains-inflamed-and-unstable/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 17 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Lamar wants a fully guaranteed monster contract. He has missed significant playing time the last two years and stated yesterday that his knee is not 100% .. still swollen. The contract negotiation this offseason will be interesting. I hope the Ravens blink and give him a top contract, but they do not seem to be that kind of organization. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/12/lamar-jackson-my-knee-remains-inflamed-and-unstable/ Said it before and Ill say it again, if I am the Ravens I let someone else pay for this guy. He hasnt played a full season since coming into the NFL. He's been bad as a thrower the last two years, and he's been dreadful in the playoffs. The Ravens are a stable and well coached organization, if I were them I'd do anything I could to bring in a more stable Quarterback who can make throws to wideouts and get back to winning football. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Said it before and Ill say it again, if I am the Ravens I let someone else pay for this guy. He hasnt played a full season since coming into the NFL. He's been bad as a thrower the last two years, and he's been dreadful in the playoffs. The Ravens are a stable and well coached organization, if I were them I'd do anything I could to bring in a more stable Quarterback who can make throws to wideouts and get back to winning football. I could see that. It would be pretty surprising though. Huntley has not been great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) Franchise him for 2 years, get the best/last out of him you can, and move on. I don't know if I can see any team trading for those contract demands. Edited January 13, 2023 by Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Anyone who pays this guy a guaranteed contract is going to regret it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Captain Hindsight said: I could see that. It would be pretty surprising though. Huntley has not been great They would have to go outside of the organization to bring someone in. I'd try like hell to move him to Houston this offseason for both of their 1st round picks. If I dont think a guy is a franchise QB I wouldnt pay him franchise QB money, and in my opinion there are 10 quarterbacks in the league right now who are better than Lamar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush Lamar is all about the money obviously...if your trying to build a lockerroom I don't think Lamar is a wise choice given his monetary demands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Said it before and Ill say it again, if I am the Ravens I let someone else pay for this guy. He hasnt played a full season since coming into the NFL. He's been bad as a thrower the last two years, and he's been dreadful in the playoffs. The Ravens are a stable and well coached organization, if I were them I'd do anything I could to bring in a more stable Quarterback who can make throws to wideouts and get back to winning football. what wideouts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Ravens are in an unenviable position. They could be hitching their wagon to a guy who can get a team to the playoffs but not through the playoffs, not to mention a runner with inchoate knee issues. On the other hand he wins games and entertains the fans as a transcendent athlete and the fact is that it's risky to not have a plan at QB. You never know when you'll get sucked into a vortex of mediocrity. Look what's happened to Indy after Luck retired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2022 at 1:20 PM, FrenchConnection said: The Stadium Wall Buffalo Bills Community. Discussing the Buffalo Bills and the NFL 24 hours a day since 1998! amazing that people don't see this...so much non-Bills info here Edited January 13, 2023 by nucci 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: what wideouts? The ones he doesn’t throw too. If it ain’t Andrew’s in the middle he ain’t making the throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, ddaryl said: A bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush Lamar is all about the money obviously...if your trying to build a lockerroom I don't think Lamar is a wise choice given his monetary demands every player is about the money. They all want to maximize their earnings while they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Alright, I'll offer a solution. Lamar for Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Lamar has really misplayed his hand here, I believe. He has a unique skill set that allows him to thrive in the sort of offensive scheme that the Ravens have specifically tailored for him. For that reason, it is clearly in both the Ravens AND Lamar's best interest to come to a reasonable deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Mynamemike said: The ones he doesn’t throw too. If it ain’t Andrew’s in the middle he ain’t making the throw. oh, you mean Devin Duvernay, Andy Isabella, Demarcus Robinson, Rashod Bateman, James Proche and the carcass of DeSean Jackson? Come on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, nucci said: every player is about the money. They all want to maximize their earnings while they can Not completely true... Yes they get paid but most players are NOT doing what Lamar is doing.... Josh could of held out for more but didn't as an example... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Franchise him for 2 years, get the best/last out of him you can, and move on. I don't know if I can see any team trading for those contract demands. The ole Kirk cousins approach, I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said: Ravens are in an unenviable position. They could be hitching their wagon to a guy who can get a team to the playoffs but not through the playoffs, not to mention a runner with inchoate knee issues. On the other hand he wins games and entertains the fans as a transcendent athlete and the fact is that it's risky to not have a plan at QB. You never know when you'll get sucked into a vortex of mediocrity. Look what's happened to Indy after Luck retired. I think Harbaugh is too good a coach for them to be bad for an extended period of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Not completely true... Yes they get paid but most players are NOT doing what Lamar is doing.... Josh could of held out for more but didn't as an example... could have and he didn't need to hold out because the Bills gave him the top QB contract at the time 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Alright, I'll offer a solution. Lamar for Fields. Honestly, I’d easily make the trade if I were the ravens. No questions asked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, nucci said: could have and he didn't need to hold out because the Bills gave him the top QB contract at the time I see a night and day difference.... Josh was not the highest paid QB contract when he signed... It was a top contract but it was really a fair deal for the team as well... If Josh was taking the Lamar route he would of turned down that offer and demanded more... or waited till he was on the verge of becoming a UFA to try and force hands, which is what Lamar is doing Lamar turned down this contract... whats left to maximize ????? Quote According to an ESPN report, the 2019 MVP rejected an offer for a five-year extension deal worth $250 million dollars, $133 million of which was guaranteed. Lamar wants $230 million guarenteed, actuall Watson for Cleveland got that ...... but that was a dumb ass deal. Edited January 13, 2023 by ddaryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, nucci said: amazing that people don't see this...so much non-Bills info here What happens to significant players on other teams directly impacts the Bills. Unless the Bills no longer have to worry about playing the Ravens .. it is relevant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Honestly, I’d easily make the trade if I were the ravens. No questions asked Of course they would as get a similar player with a lower salary cap figure for 3 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, CorkScrewHill said: What happens to significant players on other teams directly impacts the Bills. Unless the Bills no longer have to worry about playing the Ravens .. it is relevant yep, get a lot of NFL info here. Always been that way. 6 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Lamar wants $230 million guarenteed...... no other QB/palyer is anywhere close to that amount of guarenteed except Watson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.