Ravens and Lamar do not reach contract agreement

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Part of me wonders if LJ isn't getting pissed at the narrative that he can't play QB like other guys do and a special offense has to be built around him.  Maybe he wants to go somewhere else and try and prove that he can be effective in a normal offense. I don't think he will be because I think he is limited in what he can do as a QB due to lack of arm strength to push the ball outside the numbers on deeper throws, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really thinks he can and is irritated and wants to show everyone else that.

 

possibly.  but good luck elsewhere.  Seattle might have enough built up around him and has top WRs and a coach who likes to run.  That is the only landing spot I can see.  

 

And I wish all teams 17 years of QB games like we had.  👍  I have no sympathy for other teams, esp in AFC

[Bills92]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

Jackson should leave. 

 

I completely think it's very dumb that he doesn't have an agent, but the Ravens are not putting him in a position to show that he can be more than a gimmick runner.  The Ravens WR core is arguably the worst in the league. 

I think the Ravens not investing in WR's or getting him to run speaks more to Jackson's skillset then the Ravens organization.  I am in no way a fan of the Ravens... but to say they do not have a top 5 organization from top to bottom would be 'very dumb'

[LeGOATski]

[glazeduck]

29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

If I'm him I go in to FA and look to head to Houston, Seattle, anywhere else.

Here's the thing -- the entire Ravens offensive identity is built around HIM; not players like him (because there are none), him. To move on from him as their franchise QB would mean a much more organizational and structural adjustment that will likely create a domino effect of changes within that organization for multiple years-- and they all know that.

 

But so does Lamar. To those, and there are many, saying he should get an agent, I don't understand this line of thinking -- the price for franchise QBs is only going in one direction, and arguably no QB (Russell being maybe the one exception) has more leverage because of my point in the first paragraph. He clearly understands that he has all the leverage -- why does he need an agent to manage that for him? I won't go so far as to call that notion racist, but you don't see that kind of criticism and scrutiny over most players, certainly not ones that are playing their hands as well as LJ, so why? Yes, he's making a gambling on himself and gambles don't always pay off -- he could certainly get hurt and miss out on guaranteed millions. But to pretend that he's somehow bungling this all up -- when he's the one most in control of his body and what happens to it (for reference, he's set records the last 2 years in NOT getting hit when running). Winning while disrupting the power structure is pretty rare, I think it's pretty cool what he's doing, frankly.

 

Lamar knows his worth -- both to the organization and throughout the league. The longer the Ravens kick the can down the road, the more they're going to end up screwing themselves on the backend. 

[LabattBlue]

18 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Jackson should leave. 

 

I completely think it's very dumb that he doesn't have an agent, but the Ravens are not putting him in a position to show that he can be more than a gimmick runner.  The Ravens WR core is arguably the worst in the league. 

No one knows what Jackson is asking for, or what Baltimore is offering, but with him acting as his own agent, I tend to side with the team. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by LabattBlue

[mikemac2001]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Ask the Redskins how that worked with Cousins.

i mean Kirk got paid and what has he done won 7-9 games a year ?

[ddaryl]

Nobody will pay Jackson a fuly guarenteed contract

Sorry Lamar

If I'm the Ravens you tag him next season and start the process of briinging in pieces for post-Lamar

[DasNootz]

Cleveland really screwed the rest of the league with that Watson contract.  

If Baltimore franchise tags him in 2023, I believe the figure is currently around $45 million.  In 2024 it's around $54  million.

That Allen deal looks better and better....  Imagine paying $40 million more over the next 2 years for Lamar Jackson vs. Allen.

Edited September 9, 2022 by DasNootz

[glazeduck]

44 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

Will anyone pay him what he wants though?

Yes. Next question...

[Bruffalo]

7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

No one know what Jackson is asking for, or what Baltimore is offering, but with him acting as his own agent, I tend to side with the team. 

Yeah, that's a reasonable take.  The Ravens aren't a crap show of an organization, and it absolutely could be Jackson holding out for a pie in the sky number.  

 

 

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

i mean Kirk got paid and what has he done won 7-9 games a year ?

 

They paid all that money and what have the Redskins to show for it now?  Didn't even get any draft picks they could have used to replace him.

[DasNootz]

 

15 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

No one know what Jackson is asking for, or what Baltimore is offering, but with him acting as his own agent, I tend to side with the team. 

I believe the Ravens offered him Kyler Murray numbers - but he wants Watson's fully guaranteed contract.

[mikemac2001]

12 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They paid all that money and what have the Redskins to show for it now?  Didn't even get any draft picks they could have used to replace him.

that was like 6 years ago he wasn’t winning big games for them so they moved on. Alex smith was going to get them to the playoffs before his injury 

 

His stats have been meh so should they have just paid him a ton to keep him to be an avg qb ??? And who knows what his trade value was especially on a 3rd tag price tag. The redskins situation now has nothing to do with kirk being franchised 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by mikemac2001

[Bubba Gump]

Maybe Lamar was too busy pooping his brains out in the crapper when he was supposed to be signing. 

[wppete]

This whole Lamar situation is comparable to going to court and representing yourself with no experience as a lawyer. The arrogance and idiocy  is going to bite in him the ass and cost him millions….. Ohh and by the way Lamar didn’t even graduate college…

 

“He said he had “some of the best memories of [his] life” at Louisville, but he “made the decision to take the next step in [his] career and enter the 2018 NFL Draft.” As a result of that, Jackson did not earn a degree.Sept 30, 2021”

[Albany,n.y.]

49 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Here's the thing -- the entire Ravens offensive identity is built around HIM; not players like him (because there are none), him. To move on from him as their franchise QB would mean a much more organizational and structural adjustment that will likely create a domino effect of changes within that organization for multiple years-- and they all know that.

 

But so does Lamar. To those, and there are many, saying he should get an agent, I don't understand this line of thinking -- the price for franchise QBs is only going in one direction, and arguably no QB (Russell being maybe the one exception) has more leverage because of my point in the first paragraph. He clearly understands that he has all the leverage -- why does he need an agent to manage that for him? I won't go so far as to call that notion racist, but you don't see that kind of criticism and scrutiny over most players, certainly not ones that are playing their hands as well as LJ, so why? Yes, he's making a gambling on himself and gambles don't always pay off -- he could certainly get hurt and miss out on guaranteed millions. But to pretend that he's somehow bungling this all up -- when he's the one most in control of his body and what happens to it (for reference, he's set records the last 2 years in NOT getting hit when running). Winning while disrupting the power structure is pretty rare, I think it's pretty cool what he's doing, frankly.

 

Lamar knows his worth -- both to the organization and throughout the league. The longer the Ravens kick the can down the road, the more they're going to end up screwing themselves on the backend. 

Lamar is a football player, not a financial expert.  He majored in communications, not business or economics.  Agents are specialists who understand contracts & economics.  He is being foolish to try to save 3% unlike almost all the other guys in the league do because they understand that an expert can get them more than the 3% difference than they can get themselves.  Eventually Lamar will get a big contract but in the meantime, he's giving up a ton of present day dollars.  Agents understand the time value of money theory, knowing a dollar today is worth more than a dollar in the future.  Josh's agent got Josh more than 45 million in present day dollars over what he would have made in 2021 & 2022.  Those present day dollars, if they are invested corrrectly, combined with the remainder of Josh's contract will be worth more even if Lamar gets a bigger contract starting in 2023 because Lamar has played last year on his rookie contract and this year on his 5th year option, while Josh already has 10s of millions more already in his hands.  

 

If Lamar had an agent, he would have received a contract similar to Josh's last year and now it will take him years to catch up with Josh, if he ever does.  Even though he will sign a bigger contract, he's already lost 2 years of a higher income.  .  

Edited September 9, 2022 by Albany,n.y.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

 

Will anyone pay him what he wants though?

Not likely,  Lamar is the one that is made the example, so as to counter what the Browns have done, he will make big money but not what he wants, 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Don Otreply

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

No way I play if I'm Lamar!! 

Correction: Lamar should call a QB sweep on the first play of the game, run towards the sideline and pull up with a phony hamstring injury. This way he can still get his $ while sitting out. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

 

Will anyone pay him what he wants though?

Every year there is some desperate team with no QB and a cash rich/brains poor owner.

[Perry Turtle]

37 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

 

I believe the Ravens offered him Kyler Murray numbers - but he wants Watson's fully guaranteed contract.

The Ravens are just kicking the can down the road and they're going to get burned for it.

 

Jackson has accomplished more than Murray, so that contract is a non-starter.

 

They could have signed Jackson last season, like Beane did with Allen, and avoided the escalating insanity in QB contacts, but they sat on the fence as Cleveland dropped Watson's stinkbomb contact on the league. (From now on, every QB is going to be looking for a fully guaranteed contract).

 

The Ravens are in wait and see mode.  They aren't convinced they can win the SB with Jackson, but they think there is an outside chance they might.

 

Jackson knows what he wants, agent or no (it's what all top tier QBs are going to want moving foward), the Ravens at this point, don't know what they want and teams who don't know what they want, don't win championships.

[zow2]

I think, at the end of the day, this signifies the beginning of the end for Lamar in Baltimore.  I just get the feeling he will be playing in his home state of Florida next season (Miami or Tampa).

[billykay]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I don’t disagree, but they have built that team from the ground up specifically for Jackson.  
 

If they move on - they become an afterthought n a good division- just like last year when he missed time.

 

The Ravens have little choice but to either sign him long term and try to keep rolling him out or tag him and try to get a Watson style package back rebuild the offense to fit someone new.  
 

A comp pick isn’t enough - they need the 3 1st round picks and several other pieces to move the rebuild along in my opinion.

 

I think that the Ravens like his backup a lot. That makes it a bit easier to let Lamarr go for a bundle of picks.

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Part of me wonders if LJ isn't getting pissed at the narrative that he can't play QB like other guys do and a special offense has to be built around him.  Maybe he wants to go somewhere else and try and prove that he can be effective in a normal offense. I don't think he will be because I think he is limited in what he can do as a QB due to lack of arm strength to push the ball outside the numbers on deeper throws, but I wouldn't be surprised if he really thinks he can and is irritated and wants to show everyone else that.

There is nothing wrong with his arm strength.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, billykay said:

I think that the Ravens like his backup a lot. That makes it a bit easier to let Lamarr go for a bundle of picks.

There is nothing wrong with his arm strength.

 

There is nothing special about it either.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Hire a damn agent like all elite athletes do. 

He will learn a pricey lesson very soon. 

Did he fire his Momma?🤣

[Rochesterfan]

6 minutes ago, billykay said:

I think that the Ravens like his backup a lot. That makes it a bit easier to let Lamarr go for a bundle of picks.

There is nothing wrong with his arm strength.

 

I don’t disagree, but Huntley was only 1-3 last season as a starter versus 7-5 for Lamar.  I think the Ravens like him, but it is not like he is something special - I think they still need to get something if they are moving on from Jackson.

 

 

[dpberr]

That's because the Ravens don't want to offer him a contract.  (and haven't for a while.)

 

This is a marriage that only exists until the kids graduate high school. 

[GoBills808]

Ravens are being so dumb for this

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

I imagine the Ravens will block that by tagging him one or two more years - Ala Kirk Cousins.

 

Then they can even look to move him for a premium of picks.

 

I don’t think Lamar really sees FA at this time - they will use him up and then move on.

 

The problem with tagging him is that it will be a LOT of money and there will be no manipulation of the cap with it. 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

They paid all that money and what have the Redskins to show for it now?  Didn't even get any draft picks they could have used to replace him.

They have Carson Wentz now. As long as he doesnt have to play QB they should be fine

[Rochesterfan]

14 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

The problem with tagging him is that it will be a LOT of money and there will be no manipulation of the cap with it. 

 

Yep, but compare that to letting him walk in free agency for maybe a 3rd round comp pick.

 

You can use it as either an extension to signing him long term - although now you set the parameters of 42-45 million a season or you use it as a way to trade him if needed for picks.

 

[wppete]

41 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Did he fire his Momma?🤣

Imagine having an agent who never went to college negotiating a 1/4 Billion dollar contract for you. Baltimore Ravens licking their chops right about now. 😂 

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

Imagine having an agent who never went to college negotiating a 1/4 Billion dollar contract for you. Baltimore Ravens licking their chops right about now. 😂 

 

I doubt it. 100% the Ravens would prefer an agent to be involved. The deal would be done if he had one. 

[Rc2catch]

It’s a pretty big gamble on both sides. Lamar is an Achilles from losing 50+ million in guarantees his next contract. And Baltimore might have to pay him 55 million a year if he happens to have another MVP season. 

[wppete]

Just now, Malazan said:

 

I doubt it. 100% the Ravens would prefer an agent to be involved. The deal would be done if he had one. 

At this level it’s all on the fine print. You need an experienced agent/lawyer who understands contracts and business law not a high school graduate. Sad but true. Ravens are $4+ Billion corporation with the best of the best corporate lawyers. They are going to eat his lunch.  

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

At this level it’s all on the fine print. You need an experienced agent/lawyer who understands contracts and business law not a high school graduate. Sad but true. Ravens are $4+ Billion corporation with the best of the best corporate lawyers. They are going to eat his lunch.  

 

The Ravens would prefer to have the deal done over whatever things they might slip past him. You're way off base if you think teams are looking to 'screw over' their star players. What provision do you expect to exist in his contract that would be worth it?

 

Just go listen to Beane on how much he values the relationships with agents. 

[aceman_16]

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Pretty sure he can’t go anywhere if he’s tagged.

 

If he wants serious money, dude needs to step up his game. He’s got skills.  I just don’t see him as top 5, and maybe just outside the top 10.  Not a pure passer.
 

Josh elevates his teammates.  Josh is a stud.  Lamar certainly is no Josh.

Yeah....he would have made a good WR!

[Tanoros]

56 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I don’t disagree, but Huntley was only 1-3 last season as a starter versus 7-5 for Lamar.  I think the Ravens like him, but it is not like he is something special - I think they still need to get something if they are moving on from Jackson.

 

 

1-3 yes, but that squad was so banged up last year, it’s hard to use it as an example. Lamar is certainly better than Huntley, but Huntley did look serviceable in my opinion, and he’s the perfect backup to Lamar. 

[blacklabel]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Will anyone pay him what he wants though?

 

I got uh, lemme see here...a secret decoder ring from the gumball machine I got at Ames in 1987. I've got a used car mat. One slinky. A broken VCR and a sock full of nickels. The Backyard Fat Guys have signed Lamar Jackson. 

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

1-3 yes, but that squad was so banged up last year, it’s hard to use it as an example. Lamar is certainly better than Huntley, but Huntley did look serviceable in my opinion, and he’s the perfect backup to Lamar. 

 

Agreed, but Lamar was 7-5 with the same injured squad prior to his injury.

 

Huntley has looked good - especially Preseason against Vanilla teams.  Even coming in he has showed well, but even putting up nice numbers - he could not get the wins that Lamar got costing them a shot at the playoffs.

 

 

[Tanoros]

5 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Agreed, but Lamar was 7-5 with the same injured squad prior to his injury.

 

Huntley has looked good - especially Preseason against Vanilla teams.  Even coming in he has showed well, but even putting up nice numbers - he could not get the wins that Lamar got costing them a shot at the playoffs.

 

 

Yeah, Huntley isn’t a star. The point I was trying to make is, Huntley could lead a good team. He’s definitely serviceable, but the AFC is ago stacked at QB, you pretty much need a star QB.