Preseason week 2: Broncos at Bills

[Big Turk]

56 minutes ago, arcane said:

FWIW, the Bengals also rested starters in that game he won, and it was some of the most atrocious football I watched all year. Did not come away from that game thinking Keenum would win a real game against a real team lol

 

Which is kinda crazy since he took the Vikings to the playoffs and had a pretty good season there.

[Franco_92]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Which is kinda crazy since he took the Vikings to the playoffs and had a pretty good season there.

Yep. I don't think he's a championship game QB and I don't think he's incapable of winning us one like he looked in the preseason, hopefully we never have to find out either way!

[John from Riverside]

All you’re asking for out of a back up QB is to win your three out of five games that is going to be the same for any team in the league Josh Allen is a unicorn

[eball]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

All you’re asking for out of a back up QB is to win your three out of five games that is going to be the same for any team in the league Josh Allen is a unicorn

I think that’s basically right. On a team with this strong of a roster you’re looking for the backup to go .500.

 

[BigAl2526]

14 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

We’re 4 deep at DT… teams typically keep 4-5 DT… the majority of teams don’t have 4 DTs as good as our 4 DTs. How are we not deep? 
 

Please understand how depth works. 

You mean we can't have starter quality DTs on the practice squad and not expect other teams to sign them away.  I'm crushed.

[clayboy54]

17 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

Calf injuries do not go away quickly or nicely.  Hope its not something that lingers all year.

I really don't know about calf injuries, but a cow I knew healed very fast.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

[YattaOkasan]

9 hours ago, arcane said:

FWIW, the Bengals also rested starters in that game he won, and it was some of the most atrocious football I watched all year. Did not come away from that game thinking Keenum would win a real game against a real team lol

yeah saw that (you saw Keenum started and beat the Broncos too? you seemed to indicate he only won one game) which is why i included their stats to date particularly Barkley's recent experience.  Keenum has only had one year with more ints than TDs whereas Barkley only has one year with more Tds than int (both entered the league in 2013).  Overall 78 TD : 48 INT >>>> 11 TD : 22 INT, and thats why i think its sorta laughable to say that Keenum would only win us one more game (again I dont think Barkley even beats Bengals resting their starters), if any.  I dont think Barkley would win any games and Keenum has a good shot to go better than 0.500.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Son of a K-Gun]

McD indicating that Josh is going to play this weekend.

 

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[MWK]

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

[TH3]

8 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

Now i am concerned

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

Injuries can happen anywhere. Plenty of injuries happen at practice. Always hope for zero injuries but it’s part of football. 

 

 

[Greg S]

22 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

 

Allen and Dorsey communicating in game action probably plays a part. Injuries can happen in any game so you can't worry about stuff like that. If I am McDermott I would tell Josh under no circumstances do you take off and run. Throw the ball away if the play isn't there.

[ytownblofan]

25 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

I don't love it, but lets not act like the Bills are going to be the only team to play starters.... A lot of teams played their guys week 1 of the preseason

[ddaryl]

24 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

Personally I would of been very dissapointed if we do not play the starters some....  This whole never play starters in pre-season is horsepoop.

You don't play them a lot but you let your starters get some reps in. I will ALWAYS be in this camp

[JGMcD2]

25 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

Not exposing guys to the speed of an actual game is actually putting them at more risk for injury... this is a proven fact. 

 

You can practice all you want but it's still not the same level of intensity as a game against another opponent - although they do try and simulate that environment as much as possible. Which to the point made by others upthead... you're susceptible to injury in practice as well. 

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

Personally I would of been very dissapointed if we do not play the starters some....  This whole never play starters in pre-season is horsepoop.

You don't play them a lot but you let your starters get some reps in. I will ALWAYS be in this camp

 

If it were me I would give the starters the first quarter which is probably two series for the both the O and D. After that start bringing in the backups. You are right about playing the starters as even Mahomes played some last week for KC. I don't want them kicking it off in LA without the starters getting some reps in game action.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

What’s the difference between maybe 15-20 snaps in a preseason game vs multiple live scrimmages instead?

 

Do you think without preseason they wouldn’t have live hitting scrimmages instead? It’s all conditioning the body.

 

 

[wjag]

27 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

 

They practice 4 times a week and from I can tell, they are more likely to get hurt in preseason practice than preseason games.  Hyde, Poyer, Brown, Crowder, Settle all have some form of ding from practice.  

[Sierra Foothills]

38 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

 

Like so many discussions these days, you're reducing it to a binary equation which it is not.

 

There's a vast range between playing every snap and not playing at all.

 

McDermott is using his vast expertise and experience to make sure he doesn't reach the point of diminishing returns with Josh's snaps. He's going to try to hit the sweet spot. It's a calculated risk where he's going for the obvious benefits but also trying to minimize exposure.

 

 

[Franco_92]

45 minutes ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

I might be misremembering but someone posted a study somewhere that seemed to show the lack of preseason in 2020 caused far more injuries in the first month of the season than is standard when preseason takes place, fwiw

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What’s the difference between maybe 15-20 snaps in a preseason game vs multiple live scrimmages instead?

 

Do you think without preseason they wouldn’t have live hitting scrimmages instead? It’s all conditioning the body.

 

 

 

If I had to guess, you can somewhat control a practice.  i.e. red jersey on the QB.  

 

Can't do that in a game.  See Jalen Hurts getting rocked out of bounds by a Jets defender.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

If I had to guess, you can somewhat control a practice.  i.e. red jersey on the QB.  

 

Can't do that in a game.  See Jalen Hurts getting rocked out of bounds by a Jets defender.  

QB protection is basically the only argument for not playing starters. 
 

Honestly I think it makes most sense to play the backup with the starters for obvious reasons. If I were coach that’s how I would run preseason games. 

[Scott7975]

58 minutes ago, arcane said:

I might be misremembering but someone posted a study somewhere that seemed to show the lack of preseason in 2020 caused far more injuries in the first month of the season than is standard when preseason takes place, fwiw

Yeah that was me. I’d repost it but my area has an outage of internet atm and it’s a pain to do on my phone. 

[Dave in Avon Lake now]

I’m still in a quandary about local market games on NFL Network for preseason. Somehow Cleveland was included as a local market last week and I couldn’t watch the game live. We don’t get Buffalo stations here although I can get WGR radio. Does anyone know another way to get this preseason game since it will be the only one starters will play in?

 

I could have posted as separate topic but figured it’s related to this game.

[Bruffalo]

The pearl clutching that's going on at WGR right now is just ridiculous.  They're grown ass men with some of the best sports science doctors/trainers in the entire world.  The Bills know what they're doing.

[Scott7975]

10 minutes ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said:

I’m still in a quandary about local market games on NFL Network for preseason. Somehow Cleveland was included as a local market last week and I couldn’t watch the game live. We don’t get Buffalo stations here although I can get WGR radio. Does anyone know another way to get this preseason game since it will be the only one starters will play in?

 

I could have posted as separate topic but figured it’s related to this game.

 

Does a VPN work? If it does you can just use a VPN to set your IP address to a buffalo location and the app would think you are in market.  Some apps recognize a VPN and dont let you use them unless you shut the VPN off though.  You might be able to use VPN and then watch it through paramount+?  Not sure

 

The whole thing is stupid anyhow.  Just let us pay for a service and watch whatever game we want.  Why is this even a thing?

Edited August 18, 2022 by Scott7975

[Son of a K-Gun]

9 minutes ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said:

I’m still in a quandary about local market games on NFL Network for preseason. Somehow Cleveland was included as a local market last week and I couldn’t watch the game live. We don’t get Buffalo stations here although I can get WGR radio. Does anyone know another way to get this preseason game since it will be the only one starters will play in?

 

I could have posted as separate topic but figured it’s related to this game.

NFL+ free preview?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What’s the difference between maybe 15-20 snaps in a preseason game vs multiple live scrimmages instead?

 

Do you think without preseason they wouldn’t have live hitting scrimmages instead? It’s all conditioning the body.

 

 

This is why Allen is playing 

 

[FilthyBeast]

2 hours ago, MWK said:

What an idiotic move. They should never play starters in the preseason. And before anyone talks about “rust,” they played starters in the preseason last year and we looked like garbage in the first game. Hopefully nobody gets hurt by this outdated move McDermott is making.

 

I'm a big McD critic, but this is the right move and this team needs to be ready given how difficult the first half of the schedule is. KC started Mahomes last week and Brady has always played in most preseason games as well.

 

Can't afford to come out sloppy, overconfident and not ready like we did against the mediocre steelers team last year. Defending champs on the road and favorites to possibly repeat is a whole other animal.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

I might be misremembering but someone posted a study somewhere that seemed to show the lack of preseason in 2020 caused far more injuries in the first month of the season than is standard when preseason takes place, fwiw

Yep. The concerns are unfounded, scared mentality BS.

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Not exposing guys to the speed of an actual game is actually putting them at more risk for injury... this is a proven fact. 

Playing scared makes you more susceptible to injury, as well.

[clayboy54]

42 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

The pearl clutching that's going on at WGR right now is just ridiculous.  They're grown ass men with some of the best sports science doctors/trainers in the entire world.  The Bills know what they're doing.

WGR sucks walnuts.

[mbs]

I just want to see Cook, Shakir, and Hodgins with Josh and an oline of mostly starters.

[YoloinOhio]

59 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

The pearl clutching that's going on at WGR right now is just ridiculous.  They're grown ass men with some of the best sports science doctors/trainers in the entire world.  The Bills know what they're doing.

I don’t even understand why they are surprised or expected anything different. The starters (except Diggs who was recovering from the oblique) played a half in preseason game 2 last year as well. And we have a new OC. Not sure why anyone would expect McDermott to change it up. 

[MiltonWaddams]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t even understand why they are surprised or expected anything different. The starters (except Diggs who was recovering from the oblique) played a half in preseason game 2 last year as well. And we have a new OC. Not sure why anyone would expect McDermott to change it up. 

We all know why they are talking this up. Everyone loves an argument and there exists an element of the fanbase on each side of this fence…as wrong as one side is. Bubble wrap isn’t good for kids and it’s definitely not good for football players.

[Solomon Grundy]

35 minutes ago, mbs said:

I just want to see Cook, Shakir, and Hodgins with Josh and an oline of mostly starters.

Sprinkle in a little Singletary. I’m curious to see if he’s progressing 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I get the reasons for playing them, but do think the starters, especially Allen, should sit. Knock the rust off and iron out any lingering communication issues in the 1st quarter against the Rams if need be. 

 

Sure, injuries can happen anytime, but that does not mean playing them isn’t risking a lot. Last thing a team with Super Bowl aspirations needs is a significant injury or heaven forbid losing a key player for the season before it starts.