Training Camp practice 8/1

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

These Oliver updates are amazing. He’s going to be an absolute wrecking ball this season

i believe we will see him lined up at times on the outside too. With the beef we have in the middle, consider Von and Oliver attacking from the edges at the same time. 

[hemma]

I’d like to report a missing person.

 

Name: Ryan aka “Ricky” Bates

Height: 19 Hands

Weight: Plump

Last Known Location:  Near a porta-potty at Bills’ Camp

 

If you know the whereabouts of Ricky, pease report his location to TBD asap,

unless of course, a dingo ate him.

Edited August 1, 2022 by hemma

[Ralonzo]

12 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

These Oliver updates are amazing. He’s going to be an absolute wrecking ball this season

Thats the guy to option and extend. Difference maker already, on his way to game wrecker.

[eball]

17 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

No way, he alternates he's concern between OL and boundary WR depth.  Keeps it fresh.

 

Fixed for accuracy. 

 

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

 

 

Josh is Superman out there but I don’t need him taking unnecessary shots having to make up for missing guys. 

 

 

That's the most important point.  

[blacklabel]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Rumblings that Moss is looking good and could carve out a role on this team under Dorsey? He would bring tough running to the table if he is back to normal again.

 

Singletary seemed to suggest he was never right last year after ankle surgery late the previous year and he finally is back to normal now.

 

Beane said the same thing in the final press conference for last season. Or maybe it was the first presser for this season. I can't remember, I got two rugrats under two over here and I have lost all semblance of time. 

 

Anywho, Beane mentioned that Moss had ankle surgery before last season and it never got back to 100% so he couldn't cut or pivot off his left leg very well. He started out alright last year, had like four TDs in five games and ran over a Dolphins defender one week and then he kinda trailed off because Singletary was playing too well to tinker with a rotation. 

 

Hopefully they find a way to carve out roles for all three backs, which, I think will be Singletary, Moss, and Cook. The whole "whoever has the hot hand" thing never seemed to work so maybe design specific packages for each back. 

[Simon]

16 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It clearly gets under your skin, which I love.❤️

 

Thank you for confirming your status as an intentional troll.

Perhaps now is the time to start moderating you as such, instead of extending you the benefit of the doubt as a devil's advocate.

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Good thing you’re here to say the same thing in every post.

 

Any semi-educated fan of football can look at any NFL roster and pick out "perceived" weak spots at this time of year.

EVERY NFL team has them.  Scott scours the Bills roster and incessantly beats on his "position(s) of the year" to get a rise out of the board.

 

I don't "take the bait" anymore.

 

[Gambit]

36 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

These Oliver updates are amazing. He’s going to be an absolute wrecking ball this season

I'm trying to calm my expectations seeing as he's playing against trash right now. Dude is lighting it up so far tho.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Gambit said:

I'm trying to calm my expectations seeing as he's playing against trash right now. Dude is lighting it up so far tho.

 

Not to mention that during the season he'll be drawing a lot of extra attention that he's not necessarily drawing right now.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Not to mention that during the season he'll be drawing a lot of extra attention he's not necessarily drawing right now.

 

Gonna be tough for defenses to give extra attention to both Oliver and Miller. If Oliver truly reaches his elite potential this year we could have a top 5 d-line just like that.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Really? This has been discussed by many all offseason. 
 

Better interior starters/depth and better competition at RT for one… Brown was downright awful at times last season and Quessenberry ain’t that. Saffold isn’t what he once was with a bum shoulder. 

 

If your suggesting they did all they could with the offensive line group, well then I really disagree with you. Their priorities were quite obvious.

Ah come on. I’m clearly joking with him.

 

We are paying an elite QB, an elite WR, an elite CB and an elite EDGE.  At some point you can't just pay every position.  You have to trust your drafting and development. 

 

The Bills re-signed Bates, signed Saffold, hired one of the best OL coaches in the game and then signed vet depth.  

 

What did you want them to do?

 

Draft OL over Elam in RD1?  Spend big $$$/trade for a RT over the combined contracts of what we spent at DT for Jones, Settle and Phillips?  I could potentially be convinced of the latter if there is a specific player you had in mind.. as you and I are usually in agreement that we have spend way too much in money/assets on defense while expecting Allen to fill in any hole on offense.  

 

That being said... at the end of the day, sometimes you have to trust your scouts and development.  Most fans, I'm assuming, are comfortable with 4 of the 5 starters, no?  We have a very good LT and C, and solid vet LG and then re-signed our high potential, coveted RG.  If Spencer Brown is a disaster and/or Quessenberry can't hold down RT, then you can say "I told you so", but I'm not going to freak out on the FO because we are early in training camp and a guy is out due to a freak car accident and other guys for personal reasons.   

 

Brown is high risk, high reward... but the other 4 starters are legit and we have better OL depth than most teams.  

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Not to mention that during the season he'll be drawing a lot of extra attention that he's not necessarily drawing right now.

Doubtful though, because teams will also have to account for Rousseau and Miller. Can’t double them all. 

[No_Matter_What]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

@NewEra 

[Peace Frog]

42 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

It clearly gets under your skin, which I love.❤️

Jerry Sullivan, is that you?

[K-9]

21 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Thank you for confirming your status as an intentional troll.

Perhaps now is the time to start moderating you as such, instead of extending you the benefit of the doubt as a devil's advocate.

I think @ScottLaw’s biggest issue is his naïveté about league personnel in general and positional depth in particular. He’s under the impression that the Bills must have 53 NFL starting caliber players on their roster or it’s a lost cause. Never mind that no team in league history has ever achieved this.
 

He’s also heavily invested in negative outcomes, but that’s another discussion at another time. 

[Big Blitz]

53 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

These Oliver updates are amazing. He’s going to be an absolute wrecking ball this season

 

 

I'm definitely excited yet a bit concerned about our Guard depth at the same time.   

 

I'm assuming it's a mess right now.   

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

 

It’s a little dusty in here… 😭

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Rumblings that Moss is looking good and could carve out a role on this team under Dorsey? He would bring tough running to the table if he is back to normal again.

 

Singletary seemed to suggest he was never right last year after ankle surgery late the previous year and he finally is back to normal now.

Excellent pass blocker and tough. I have him making the final 53 over Duke Johnson though Johnson does have a career 4.3 YPC (4.6 last season).  I hate keeping special teams only guys but if you keep one, then I would keep Jones over Kumerow. That means you keep one less RB and one more WR. 

[Jerry Jabber]

Astro’s TC report for the day:

 

https://buffalofambase.com/2022/08/01/astro-notes-6-august-1-2022-bills/

[Rampage]

19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I'm definitely excited yet a bit concerned about our Guard depth at the same time.   

 

I'm assuming it's a mess right now.   

Guard is going to be a revolving door for us this year. Hopefully talent at the other spots covers this gaping hole.

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

11 minutes ago, Rampage said:

Guard is going to be a revolving door for us this year. Hopefully talent at the other spots covers this gaping hole.

I still wouldn't rule out cutting Ford soon and signing a free agent like Ereck Flowers. We can't afford to scrimp on o-line depth and get Josh hurt.

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Excellent pass blocker and tough. I have him making the final 53 over Duke Johnson though Johnson does have a career 4.3 YPC (4.6 last season).  I hate keeping special teams only guys but if you keep one, then I would keep Jones over Kumerow. That means you keep one less RB and one more WR. 

 

If the Duke Johnson signing has pushed Zach Moss (now healthy) to another level the $377k dead money will be worth it.

Competition for roster spots on this team is intense.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

No way, he alternates he's concern between OL and WR depth.  Keeps it fresh.

Don’t forget my conservative McD

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

@NewEra 

I saw. That’s great.  Now he only needs to be able to shadow the WRs…..and not get burned by Neil Pa’auauu

[HappyDays]

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

rather than repeat myself. 

 

Too late.

 

[Warcodered]

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I'd like to see the plays Brown tags as "miscommunication" interceptions.

[Warcodered]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

 

[Rico]

Still early, but I think it’s pretty obvious who Josh wants starting at slot WR…. making Lil Dirty look good, I love it!

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

Still early, but I think it’s pretty obvious who Josh wants starting at slot WR…. making Lil Dirty look good, I love it!

I mean Crowder hasn't been an option up to this point.

[78thealltimegreat]

Von Miller is going to make Terry Pegula write a very large check to Ed Oliver…those two on the same side is almost unfair 

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean Crowder hasn't been an option up to this point.

Don’t think it matters, Lil Dirty is the Chosen One.

[stevewin]

Random observations from today

 

- Saw Astro at the top of the stands before practice and went over to introduce myself and say hi.  Such a nice guy and great fan

- There's a jugs machine set up on the stadium field for players to use before they enter the practice fiels.  Elam was on it for a long time, then Pa'ua, then Cook.  Astro said Blackshear is always the first out to use it before he goes out as one of the first players on the practice field

- On the way into practice field Dion looked to be in a good mood, was smiling and chatting with fans before the tunnel and taking selfies with them

- Before practice started Bass was just booming kicks.  He made a 60 yder that swear would have easily gone in from 70

- In person eye tests - AJ looks trim but SOLID - sometimes pics make him look slim but he is big.  Rousseau (as we all know) is ridiculously large - like almost comically.  Von looks like a TE standing to him.  Basham looks BIG and ATHLETIC - standing next to Rousseau he holds his own (granted that was with his helmet on and Rousseau with his off, but still).  I don't know if part of it is an illusion with his black socks and shoes - but Shakir has two of the shortest stumpiest legs in ratio to his body that I've ever seen on an NFL WR - or maybe on any person 

- Funny with the couple scrums one might get the impression from tweets that this was some hotly contested practice, but it was honestly one of the least exciting practices I've ever attended.  There's always lulls - but this practice had LONG periods of ST work, play walkthroughs, whole units going over to the the side field for a long time.  I think the scrums were from players getting frustrated with the boring content of practice

- While they were doing ST work (for a long time) Knox and Howard were stuck doing the same in route over and over and over on the sideline, with the TE coach constantly correcting or pointing something out each rep.  It was almost like the coach was like well we've got to do something while we wait, and I need to at least look like I'm coaching them up.  I'm thinking how many thousands of times have they run that route and what can he possibly be telling them they haven't heard hundreds of times before.  Can only imagine what they were thinking

- For one WR drill they brought out a square made of PVC around 3-4 ft tall and WRs. had to run under it just before cutting on their route to make them stay low

- The 1-1s with receivers and DBs were battles.  Every one hotly contested - with receivers celebrating when they made catches, and DBs celebrating with stops.  Could also see many times DBs pissed if they allowed a reception.  The DBs were ridiculously physical - was funny to see a DB push/grab/pull/maul/rape a WR then celebrate with the 'no good' sign when the pass was incomplete.  Will be really interesting to see what happens when they bring refs in

- McKenzie (sry, McKittrick - keep it alive) made some real hard contested catches - impressive.  Seems like DBs always like to give him an extra shot or push after a reception

- On one incomplete route to Davis, Josh immediately ran over to him to talk about it - the next time Davis was up he ran the exact same route for a completion, and Josh was very animated pointing to him and fist pumping - he was very pleased that whatever they talked about worked

- After the 1-1 battles, Davis went over and fist bumped each DB.  Respect

- At one point during one of the walk-through sessions I noticed in the middle Diggs talking really animated with McD about some route or leverage or whatever for at least a couple minutes - I felt like McD was trying to watch the run-through and had to wonder as Diggs was going on if McD was really listening or after a while was thinking OK Diggs I get it 😛 

- I decided I would try to watch Von in 11-11 and see if I could witness some of his magical bendy elastism in person.  The very first play I watch, at the snap he hesitated for a second, Dion lunged at him, and he just efortlessly shot by him into the backfield for what would have been a TFL.  So much experience and tools in his set, doesn't always have to be an unbelievable physical play, sometimes it's a mental one

- I decided to watch my (solidly built) guy AJ for a couple plays and two in a row he ended up on his butt

- Then a little later two plays in a row an edge rusher just bursts into the backfield, like shot out of a cannon - on the first my immediate thought was "Wow Jerry!" - then oh yeah, 55, Basham.  Man - Basham looked good standing on the sideline and great on the field

- DLine was just dominant - all units.  There were many many plays that could have been whistled for sacks but they just let it play out - the guys on OBL on way home said they do that for obvious benefit of letting everyone else get a full rep in.  I know the OL is scattershot right now but the Dline, wow

 - Seemed like after every reception receivers were paying a price with 5 guys coming in mauling and punching at them them for the ball.  At one point I had a thought it might be less physical for the receivers if the D was just allowed to tackle them to the ground 😛 

- Keenum defnitely is not shy about chucking the ball away when a play is not there  - he did it at least 4 times I saw

- It was HOT in the bleachers.  Also last time I was at camp the far side of the bleachers was roped off for VIP, but this year the whole of the main stands are avail for the common folk

 

Side Note - It would be really nice if they made available a roster sheet with numbers to hand out - nothing elaborate, even if it's just a plain sheet of paper from an intern running copies in the library.  With all the fringe players and so many players changing numbers is it hard to identify everyone.  Add in that the roster on the Bills website isn't in printable form, and it's next to impossible to see your phone  in the sun.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by stevewin

[DapperCam]

Even if we can’t afford Oliver next year, sounds like he’s going to have a great contract season.

[Jauronimo]

Much has been invested in this D line.  We had better see the return on investment this year.  If camp is any indicator, this defensive front is going to be scary. 

 

Or our offensive line is just awful...