YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 Watson had the chance to settle for 12 games and declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Should be 1 year suspension for every victim and a massive fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. What are you talking about, it's already been appealed and Goodell has picked his guy to make a different decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. I will be surprised, because the designee that goodell appointed is not neutral and doesn’t need to be. He only appointed someone because he’s busy and he wants it expedited. This judge is in the NFL’s pocket and is going to rubber stamp goodell’s desired punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: What are you talking about, it's already been appealed and Goodell has picked his guy to make a different decision. We will see. Surprisingly, the players union (who has a contract) is going to have an opinion on all of this. Edited August 10, 2022 by Chaos 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: We will see. Surprisingly, the players union (who has a contract) is going to have an opinion on all of this. The contract says both sides can appeal, only one did, and that goodell has final say. So I’m sure they have an opinion but all they can do is sue at this point. I doubt federal court wants to intervene with a collectively bargained agreement/labor law. Edited August 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Can Watson be suspended indefinitely or does it have to be specific number of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I will be surprised, because the designee that goodell appointed is not neutral and doesn’t need to be. He only appointed someone because he’s busy and he wants it expedited. This judge is in the NFL’s pocket and is going to rubber stamp goodell’s desired punishment. So now it's not the NFL that wants this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Can Watson be suspended indefinitely or does it have to be specific number of games? I think it can be indefinite now, but sue Robinson told them at the outset of the hearing that she was not going to rule indefinite. I assume goodell can rule that if he wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Chaos said: We will see. Surprisingly, the players union (who has a contract) is going to have an opinion on all of this. that union agreed to this process, mind you. Their only recourse after the appeal decision is made is federal court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. No. Not by a longshot 20 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: that union agreed to this process, mind you. Their only recourse after the appeal decision is made is federal court. Which will likely be thrown out of court quickly. 59 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Can Watson be suspended indefinitely or does it have to be specific number of games? Yes he can be. I believe Gordon was suspended indefinitely at one point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I’m pleasantly surprised that the NFL is not giving in to the original decision. I wonder if they are being pressured by the other Owners to punish the Browns indirectly for that absurd contract. I also wonder if they know more about the cases than the general public and are afraid more stuff could come out at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I think someone made a great point in that there is No way Watson plays at the earliest until after the Houston Game. The Nfl doesn’t want that gong show. So a minimum of 12-but then let’s say Cleveland is in the hunt, does the Nfl want this story of Watson possibly coming back into playoff crunch and leading the headlines.. It seems to me that with Godell’s most recent comments that they are going to come down hard on him. Maybe it will be a full year? I can’t in any way see this as a marketing charade. I actually see it as a time when the Nfl can now make a statement as to future punishment down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunvald's Husse Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 11 hours ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. Not a chance in hell that it will still be 6 games and no fine My guess is at least 12 games and a big fine. The NFL (a) sends out a message that they will be tough on this sort of behaviour (which they should be) and gets to look like the good guys for once; (b) sets a precedent that supersedes the ones that Robinson used when setting the number at 6 and (c) sends the message to people that contract shenanigans of the sort that the Turds engaged in are a no-go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 An indefinite suspension is warranted but I don't see it happening. It should be for the duration of his contract with the Browns but I don't see that happening either. I'm just hoping for at least a season. I've said it before, the whole thing is gross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. no way, the NFL is going to come out looking like the “white knight” in all of this. He’ll get a year. Edited August 10, 2022 by RiotAct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Watson & the Browns deserve every bit of crap that lands on their heads. I hope the highlight of their season is when Mayfield and the Panthers pound them. Then downhill the rest of the year. Empty stadium by December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Doesn't the NFL have to approve every trade? Why would they approve it only to complain about the contract later on? The way Cleveland structured it was obvious in trying to reduce a financial hit due to suspension. The NFL should have not approved it from the start 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 His contract is exhibit A and it’s the most damning to Watson’s case. It means that the Browns knew, whether or not he settled all of the lawsuits against him, he would be suspended. The Browns did the equivalent of putting on multiple pairs of underwear before a spanking they know is coming when Dad gets home. The NFL can’t let the Browns go unpunished or other teams will try their hand at it as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 First off Watson and the Browns make me a sick over this whole distasteful incident. My choice would be an indefinite suspension. However, if I was Watson and the Browns, I would want a full year suspension. By the start of next season, a lot of this will blow over and be forgotten. Having him come back after 12 games could end up being worse than just losing the year IMO. He certainly wouldn't start the following week on the road in CIN so the earliest he would see the field would be at home against the Ravens. That could be a tough game to start after all the time off. Going on the road to Washington DC and Pittsburg I believe would be a bit of a circus while everything is fresh for the media. Factor in his not playing in almost 2 years the chance of him playing poorly would just add fuel to his opposition. If he does only get a 12-game suspension my hope is that his return to end the season is a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Doesn't the NFL have to approve every trade? Why would they approve it only to complain about the contract later on? The way Cleveland structured it was obvious in trying to reduce a financial hit due to suspension. The NFL should have not approved it from the start The trade isn't the contract, and not liking the contract isn't the same as being able to stop it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Bruffalo said: An indefinite suspension is warranted but I don't see it happening. It should be for the duration of his contract with the Browns but I don't see that happening either. I'm just hoping for at least a season. I've said it before, the whole thing is gross. I want 16 games, 20 million dollar fine, and mandate the only massages he gets are from Larry the Cable Guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Doesn't the NFL have to approve every trade? Why would they approve it only to complain about the contract later on? The way Cleveland structured it was obvious in trying to reduce a financial hit due to suspension. The NFL should have not approved it from the start A low base salary in the first year of a contract is pretty common. It's the unawareness of what the optics makes it look like is why the Browns are the Browns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 19 hours ago, Chaos said: I will be surprised if the original decision is not upheld. This new system allows the NFL to strut around all righteous, while at the same time ending up with another revenue drawing star QB playing. Best of both worlds. I expect the appeal is simpy a marketing charade. Prepare to be surprised then. I don't believe anyoone associated with the situation thinks the NFL's appeal will be denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I think that they will increase the suspension to 8 games so the NFL will appear as if they care. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: I think that they will increase the suspension to 8 games so the NFL will appear as if they care. Jmo. 1 year and he will be lucky if it's not indefinite 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f0neguy Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 I would think the shield is going for one year as long as there are no more claims or lawsuits. If another one of those pops up (🫤) he might never come back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, RiotAct said: no way, the NFL is going to come out looking like the “white knight” in all of this. He’ll get a year. I think that was the goal all along with them. The arbitrator is nothing more than a temperature test for the publics reaction. Not saying it isnt an independent decision but like you said, now the NFL can take a look at public reaction and adjust accordingly and let the arbitrator take the heat. If they blow it and give him anything less than a year, then it was all for nothing. Edited August 10, 2022 by What a Tuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 If they don’t do a full season, I’m hoping for 16 games. They’re going to get eaten alive in their division, Demolester can’t change that. It’ll totally mess with the way they structured the contract and it will blow up their cap next year. Eff the browns for that deal, it should bite them hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wiz Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Needs that live game action while he can get it. Probably not going to see it again for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TBBills Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 We can watch the NFL again? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 hours ago, JDubya76 said: If they don’t do a full season, I’m hoping for 16 games. They’re going to get eaten alive in their division, Demolester can’t change that. It’ll totally mess with the way they structured the contract and it will blow up their cap next year. Eff the browns for that deal, it should bite them hard. If he is suspended 16 games, the contract will bump to next year. It won't toll to year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 6 hours ago, cle23 said: If he is suspended 16 games, the contract will bump to next year. It won't toll to year 2. No it won't. 16 games would make him eligible for 1 this season so the contract would toll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 15 hours ago, Doc Brown said: A low base salary in the first year of a contract is pretty common. It's the unawareness of what the optics makes it look like is why the Browns are the Browns. low is one thing, but Watson is making almost nothing in base salary, that’s not common. (For example, when Josh signed his extension they lowered his 2022 cap hit to 16mil but he’s still making 4mil base salary) Another thing I just put together is the fact that Cleveland has the most cap space in the league by about 20mil. Wouldn’t it benefit them to front-load a big contract at this point? Its indefensible from every angle I can think of. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No it won't. 16 games would make him eligible for 1 this season so the contract would toll. No, it doesn't. 1 game does not count as an accrued season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: low is one thing, but Watson is making almost nothing in base salary, that’s not common. (For example, when Josh signed his extension they lowered his 2022 cap hit to 16mil but he’s still making 4mil base salary) Another thing I just put together is the fact that Cleveland has the most cap space in the league by about 20mil. Wouldn’t it benefit them to front-load a big contract at this point? Its indefensible from every angle I can think of. Allen last year made 920k base salary, so yes, it is common. The Browns signed Garrett to a huge contract with low base salary early. I agree with the optics looking bad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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