Judge Sue Robinson recommends 6 game suspension for Watson; NFL will appeal

[Bruffalo]

"Judge Robinson directs Deshaun Watson to limit massage therapy to club-directed sessions and club-approved therapists "for the duration of his career."

 

If I were a Browns team massage therapist I'd really be disgusted by this statement.  Way to throw someone to the wolves, so to speak. 

[Chicken Boo]

Interested to see where it goes from here. 

 

Has he learned anything?  Will he go the Roethlisberger route or the R. Kelly route.

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

"Judge Robinson directs Deshaun Watson to limit massage therapy to club-directed sessions and club-approved therapists "for the duration of his career."

 

If I were a Browns team massage therapist I'd really be disgusted by this statement.  Way to throw someone to the wolves, so to speak. 

They don't think it's safe for the star quarterback to be alone with a woman who is massaging him, as long as it’s someone they provide. it's perfectly OK to have this guy represent the team, city, and fans:

 

Celebrating that their guy got away with sexual assault! Super Bowl tbh

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

What a bunch of nonsense. blaming it on public outrage and then saying they are “Attempting to impose a dramatic shift in culture”…? 

 

So players were allowed to sexually assault dozens and dozens of women before “woke” culture got in the way and Watson just wasn’t given enough notice it’s not cool anymore and might piss people off if it gets out? 😂 (only half kidding…)

She even said this is basically unprecedented and then says they need to use previous precedence that doesn’t exist. oh, and she has to worry about how this suspension could be used against the next player to assault dozens of women…

Then goes light on the suspension for the nonsensical reasons above but imposes an unprecedented ruling that he can’t get private massages for the rest of his career. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️
 

 

The NFL should have a pretty easy time appealing this if they choose to (and I sure hope they do). 

Edited August 1, 2022 by BillsFan4

[0017]

I feel like the NFL wants to come out of this looking like the hero who steps in and says No No No 6 games isn’t enough! We are going to up that to a full season or more. 

[TheWeatherMan]

6 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Interested to see where it goes from here. 

 

Has he learned anything?  Will he go the Roethlisberger route or the R. Kelly route.

A vast majority of sex crime offenders are repeat offenders because it a mental illness.  There is no effective rehabilitation for them, they will find increasingly creative ways of getting away with it.  If Watson was not a multimillionaire he would be rotting in a Texas prison. 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

What a bunch of nonsense. blaming it on public outrage and then saying they are “Attempting to impose a dramatic shift in culture”…? 

 

So players were allowed to sexually assault dozens and dozens of women before “woke” culture got in the way and Watson just wasn’t given enough notice it’s not cool anymore and might piss people off if it gets out? 😂 (only half kidding…)

She even said this is basically unprecedented and then says they need to use previous precedence that doesn’t exist. oh, and she has to worry about how this suspension could be used against the next player to assault dozens of women…

Then goes light on the suspension for the nonsensical reasons above but imposes an unprecedented ruling that he can’t get private massages for the rest of his career. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️
 

 

The NFL should have a pretty easy time appealing this if they choose to (and I sure hope they do). 

That’s how I read it too. 

[cle23]

48 minutes ago, Success said:

There comes a point where the sheer # of accusations reaches a critical mass.

 

I don't understand this ruling, at all. 

 

 

Again,  not saying the ruling is correct or anything, but Robinson is ruling on the 4 cases the NFL brought before her, not the 24 filed.  She can't factor in something not brought up in the NFL's case.  

[Success]

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Again,  not saying the ruling is correct or anything, but Robinson is ruling on the 4 cases the NFL brought before her, not the 24 filed.  She can't factor in something not brought up in the NFL's case.  

 

Thanks. I'm still a little fuzzy on how this one is working.  It sounds like the NFL can appeal, and I would expect them to.

 

[The Wiz]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

What a bunch of nonsense. blaming it on public outrage and then saying they are “Attempting to impose a dramatic shift in culture”…? 

 

So players were allowed to sexually assault dozens and dozens of women before “woke” culture got in the way and Watson just wasn’t given enough notice it’s not cool anymore and might piss people off if it gets out? 😂 (only half kidding…)

She even said this is basically unprecedented and then says they need to use previous precedence that doesn’t exist. oh, and she has to worry about how this suspension could be used against the next player to assault dozens of women…

Then goes light on the suspension for the nonsensical reasons above but imposes an unprecedented ruling that he can’t get private massages for the rest of his career. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️
 

 

The NFL should have a pretty easy time appealing this if they choose to (and I sure hope they do). 

And she just set the precedent.

 

1.5 games for every sexual assault that they deem worthy of interviewing the victim. 

 

Really is mind-blowing. 

Just now, Success said:

 

Thanks. I'm still a little fuzzy on how this one is working.  It sounds like the NFL can appeal, and I would expect them to.

 

They can but then they open themselves up to questioning about how the owners have done shady ***** and gotten away with it. 

 

I doubt they will appeal just for that reason alone. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Honestly it’s up to the media now to apply pressure. 

[krf139]

But let’s get “inspire change” shoved down our throats

[LABILLBACKER]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Football said:

I feel like the NFL wants to come out of this looking like the hero who steps in and says No No No 6 games isn’t enough! We are going to up that to a full season or more. 

The NFL will appeal and increase the punishment. And I think it's safe to say they won't be using independent judges anymore. Just give this creep a male massage therapist. Some big guy named Lars who will kick his ass if he does anything stupid.  Another slap on the wrist to a celebrity. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

 

Dear World,

 

6 weeks and all of his more than 45 million dollar salary guaranteed?!

 

I took a nap on a couch and I lost my job!

 

This completely f%$%@@ up bulls&&# is straight from planet c*@% smoke!!!!

 

GIVE ME A BEER!

 

Sincerely,

 

Chad "Just-One-More-Chance" Kelly

 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[cle23]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The NFL will appeal and increase the punishment. And I think it's safe to say they won't be using independent judges anymore. Just give this creep a male massage therapist. Some big guy named Lars who will kick his ass if he does anything stupid.  Another slap on the wrist to a celebrity. 

 

The independent judge is part of the process now as part of the CBA.  It isn't going anywhere. Robinson was selected by the NFL and NFLPA.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

33 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

What a bunch of nonsense. blaming it on public outrage and then saying they are “Attempting to impose a dramatic shift in culture”…? 

 

So players were allowed to sexually assault dozens and dozens of women before “woke” culture got in the way and Watson just wasn’t given enough notice it’s not cool anymore and might piss people off if it gets out? 😂 (only half kidding…)

She even said this is basically unprecedented and then says they need to use previous precedence that doesn’t exist. oh, and she has to worry about how this suspension could be used against the next player to assault dozens of women…

Then goes light on the suspension for the nonsensical reasons above but imposes an unprecedented ruling that he can’t get private massages for the rest of his career. Makes sense 🤦‍♂️
 

 

The NFL should have a pretty easy time appealing this if they choose to (and I sure hope they do). 

i read the decision and agree.

 

I don’t think her “no fair notice” finding holds up when you have someone who has engaged in unprecedented behavior— which is a pattern of sexual conduct involving four different victims. It is unprecedented if you consider just the 4 victims, let alone the 66 possible victims. 
 

she says the prior punishments for non-violent conduct have been far less (3 games max), but I am not sure going only up to 6 games really appropriately accounts for the multiple victims. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Celebrating that their guy got away with sexual assault! Super Bowl tbh

Cleveland was a team that was easy to pull for with die hard fans that endured many losing seasons.  Over the last several years, they have transformed the team to an extremely unlikable bunch with fans that are cheering for a sexual predator.  I think the transformation started with the drafting of Mayfield.  He was a cocky, immature little douche that had more success in commercials than on the field.  Instead of moving on and getting a respectable face of the franchise, they decided to bring in Watson and his 20ish sexual assault cases.  They went even further by structuring his contract in a way that allows him to dodge any real financial ramifications for his actions.  I hope the Browns have another 20 year stretch without playoffs and the Watson contract turns out to haunt them.  Haslam has shown his lack of character.

 

It really makes you appreciate how Buffalo has built their team into a SB contender.  They didn't sign the most repugnant players in the league, they valued character throughout the process.  They assembled a team that their fans can be proud of.  We get videos from camp showing the superstar QB giving a kid his signed cleats right off his feet and Diggs taking time to speak to a kid that recently lost his father.  Cleveland has videos of people cheering for a guy that repeatedly exposed himself to massage therapists against their will (among other horrible things).  

[Sharky7337]

They sure are crafty getting a woman judge to deliver the pill lol

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i read the decision and agree.

 

I don’t think her “no fair notice” finding holds up when you have someone who has engaged in unprecedented behavior— which is a pattern of sexual conduct involving four different victims. It is unprecedented if you consider just the 4 victims, let alone the 66 possible victims. 
 

she says the prior punishments for non-violent conduct have been far less (3 games max), but I am not sure going only up to 6 games really appropriately accounts for the multiple victims. 

 

 

Doesn't this mean sure, the judge can use prior precedent to give THE NFL some sort of baseline - now they can say "sure the judge said 6 games, but we think it should be 10....or the season.  Because ultimately we have to protect our product regardless of what was considered (not suspendable?) behavior 5-10 years ago.  Today you’re considered toxic."

 

 

It's almost like they have these 3 days to see the responses on social media.  

Edited August 1, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Putin]

Total BS after 30 years of being a fan I’m freaking done with the NFL !!! 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Putin

[Rigby]

Ridiculously short amount of time...but not wholly suprising tbh.

 

Hopefully NFL does the right thing here but I won't hold my breath.

[Utah John]

Coo, coo, ca-choo, Mrs. Robinson
Deshaun loves you more than you will know
Whoa, whoa, whoa
God bless you, please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who play
Hey, hey, hey
Hey, hey, hey

 

The announcement of this incredibly light sentence justified it on the grounds that it's in line with similar sentences.  Sure, ask Gruden about that.  Or any player caught having smoked nearly-harmless weed.   You're coo coo indeed, Mrs. Robinson. 

[0017]

 

Haha there really is a Seinfeld episode for everything in life! 😂😂 such a great show! Watsons new nickname should be “pachyderm” 

[cle23]

16 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i read the decision and agree.

 

I don’t think her “no fair notice” finding holds up when you have someone who has engaged in unprecedented behavior— which is a pattern of sexual conduct involving four different victims. It is unprecedented if you consider just the 4 victims, let alone the 66 possible victims. 
 

she says the prior punishments for non-violent conduct have been far less (3 games max), but I am not sure going only up to 6 games really appropriately accounts for the multiple victims. 

 

I saw a few places put it out there as such:

 

"Robinson says that another player was suspended 3 games for sexual misconduct of a non-violent nature and that came after he was warned by the league after an offense."

 

Apparently that is the major "precedent" case they are using.  

[Big Blitz]

Lol lol nevermind. 

 

They gave the Browns ONE division game in the first 6 weeks and it's home vs Pittsburgh 

 

 

 

They already knew the outcome.

 

This is settled.  

 

What a f...ing sham.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Football said:

 

Haha there really is a Seinfeld episode for everything in life! 😂😂 such a great show! Watsons new nickname should be “pachyderm” 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

5 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Cleveland was a team that was easy to pull for with die hard fans that endured many losing seasons.  Over the last several years, they have transformed the team to an extremely unlikable bunch with fans that are cheering for a sexual predator.  I think the transformation started with the drafting of Mayfield.  He was a cocky, immature little douche that had more success in commercials than on the field.  Instead of moving on and getting a respectable face of the franchise, they decided to bring in Watson and his 20ish sexual assault cases.  They went even further by structuring his contract in a way that allows him to dodge any real financial ramifications for his actions.  I hope the Browns have another 20 year stretch without playoffs and the Watson contract turns out to haunt them.  Haslam has shown his lack of character.

 

It really makes you appreciate how Buffalo has built their team into a SB contender.  They didn't sign the most repugnant players in the league, they valued character throughout the process.  They assembled a team that their fans can be proud of.  We get videos from camp showing the superstar QB giving a kid his signed cleats right off his feet and Diggs taking time to speak to a kid that recently lost his father.  Cleveland has videos of people cheering for a guy that repeatedly exposed himself to massage therapists against their will (among other horrible things).  

Well said! I think Cleveland is in desperate times trying to compete in an arms race of the young Qbs. They had their chance and failed miserably with Baker. What’s the old saying that goes something along the lines of missing on a Franchise Qb can set the team back x number of years. 

 

Because of this They have sold out any sort of semblance of building a team the right way. I agree that they seemed to be a fun team to root for.  They know all of this will be water under the bridge In time and Deshawn will be back and everyone will be asked to move on. but so  classy (sarcastic) seeing those fans applaud him.. maybe it’s just a small minority that end up supporting him. I don’t know. 

 

All the more reason Buffalo will truly be rewarded when we win a Super Bowl. We have a SuperStar Qb who has the brightest future and right now still gives the time of day to every person  that comes acorss his path. Loves the game .

 

And all he ever got was getting dumped on by media year after year as a guy who wouldnt amount to anything. 

 

 

 

 

[cle23]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Lol lol nevermind. 

 

They gave the Browns ONE division game in the first 6 weeks and it's home vs Pittsburgh 

 

 

 

They already knew the outcome.

 

This is settled.  

 

What a f...ing sham.  

 

Cleveland's 1st division game last year was week 8.  

 

Buffalo also has 1 divisional game in the 1st 6 weeks (technically 7) as their 8th game is vs the Jets.

Edited August 1, 2022 by cle23

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BillsfaninSB]

I think Goodell will move it to an 8 game suspension to make it look like they are playing it a little tougher.   All part of the plan.   8 games was the target for all several weeks ago. 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

"We Know Deshaun is remorseful that this situation has caused much heartache to many,"

 

Translation: he's sorry people feel that way about it, not he's sorry he did it.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Interesting, but not surprising, that they made a point of including Dee Haslam on that. I’d never heard of her before, but you want support from the female on this one. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Such a gross situation all around. 

[Warcodered]

 

[TBBills]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Jimmy is a ***** crook to begin with.

[plenzmd1]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Interesting, but not surprising, that they made a point of including Dee Haslam on that. I’d never heard of her before, but you want support from the female on this one. 

Using the word “ triggered”. Are you chitin me? Where is there PR head? What an awful to use in this situation. 
 

Triggered? Man , I know this guy a hell of a businessman, but holy hell he is troglodyte. 

Edited August 1, 2022 by plenzmd1

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Using the word “ triggered”. Are you chitin me? Where is there PR head? What an awful to use in this situation. 
 

Triggered? Man , I know this guy a hell of a businessman, but holy hell he is troglodyte. 

 

Yeah, not a good choice of words in my opinion. I was just pointing out that I had no idea there was a Dee Haslam until I read that statement. NOW is the time they chose to trot her out. 

[Virgil]

I sadly think this is exactly what the NFL wanted.  They can now wash their hands of the situation and attempt to look like the good guys.  They let a 3rd party female decide on the outcome and now they can appeal as a sign of “outrage.”

 

The whole punishment process needs to be re-evaluated.  I know the NFLPA has to fight for their guys no matter what, but I wish the NFL would have given Watson the indefinite suspension like Garret and make him earn his way back. I would love to have seen the NFLPA publicly try to fight back and justify Watson’s actions. 
 

The whole thing sucks. The end result is that Watson ends up in a better situation, more money, and a free 6 week vacation.  Pathetic. 

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I sadly think this is exactly what the NFL wanted.  They can now wash their hands of the situation and attempt to look like the good guys.  They let a 3rd party female decide on the outcome and now they can appeal as a sign of “outrage.”

 

The whole punishment process needs to be re-evaluated.  I know the NFLPA has to fight for their guys no matter what, but I wish the NFL would have given Watson the indefinite suspension like Garret and make him earn his way back. I would love to have seen the NFLPA publicly try to fight back and justify Watson’s actions. 
 

The whole thing sucks. The end result is that Watson ends up in a better situation, more money, and a free 6 week vacation.  Pathetic. 

And the money to pay off all the lawsuits. 

[TBBills]