Stank_Nasty Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Cant say i disagree with anything he says right here. I think the biggest notch for Allen in these discussions is that fact that there is no debate his offense depends more on him than any other qb. I'm ok with anyone that wants to say Rodgers or Mahomes is their #1. What i'm not okay with is when said people usually scoff at any nods towards Allen. Enjoy 13 minutes here of Simms slobbering all over his "Boy Blue"... 15 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are… 1 1 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 It's interesting that Simms think Allen has the least support of any of the other top QB's. Claims Allen is asked to do more and carry the Bills Offense on his shoulders, not to mention his arm and legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This will consistently be the finest example of a gif in a JA thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: This will consistently be the finest example of a gif in a JA thread. I mean, how much more perfect can it get? This guy is literally doing facial expressions that I do prior to my “O” face. Speaking of…after watching this video….OOOOOOOOO yeah! Edited June 15, 2022 by HamSandwhich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: This will consistently be the finest example of a gif in a JA thread. It's such a perfect gif with both the salute and the tug. Perfectly captures my feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Been waiting for him to get to number 1, he's been clear that Allen was at the top of his list for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Actually Allen is probably # 1 on the list of the top 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 (edited) I don’t agree w/ his take on Gabe Davis and that the Bills have the least talented receivers. Yes, he only had 500+ yards, but that’s bc he was buried in the depth chart behind Sanders. I agree that he is not a top 10 WR, but the potential is there to get there and this can be said about Knox too. Both were victims of ball distribution. There’s only so many that can go around. With Sanders gone I expect that to change dramatically. Bills skill positions will surprise this year and having a good pass catching RB like Cook helps as well. I also would like to note that both Knox & Davis took advantage of every opportunity they were given. Davis’ performance in the playoffs this year and last should not go unnoticed. Guy is as clutch as they come in the biggest moments. Multiple toe dragging catches that I think won us the Colts game along w/ the statistically best playoff game by a WR in playoff history against the Chiefs that SHOULD’VE won us that game were absolutely amazing & clutch performances. Edited June 15, 2022 by ChronicAndKnuckles 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 He’s the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, mannc said: Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are… I think Josh’s OL and Weapons are fine for this year save one exception. Josh doesn’t have that huge, Uber-talented WR…. That’s why I wanted to go with Christian Watson in this past draft. But you give us Watson, and I put our weapons up against any one’s. I love our starting five OL this year but I am really concerned over the depth… So, not perfect, but maybe a few players show up in camp? I think we have room for a sixth WR but someone has to show he worth the roster spot. On the OL, perhaps Aaron Kromer can unlock Cody Ford’s game? If not, someone else’s game hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, mannc said: Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are… THIS We had a pathetic running game outside of Allen last year. Pathetic... I don't want to hear about Singletary's YPC, he ran against light boxes and we had nobody to get us goal line/short yardage. As Simms pointed out.. Diggs is elite. Knox is above average. Davis may be big time, but we overrate last year due to the KC game. Sanders didn't give us much and neither did Beasley. So, outside of Diggs and Knox, Allen had no running game and mediocre play at WR2 and Slot WR for much of the season. That, along with an ok pass blocking OL. Much reason for optimism that his supporting cast is better going into this season... but Josh Allen elevated a slightly above average Offense into a Super Bowl caliber Offense last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, mannc said: Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are… Diggs and a bunch of JAGs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Just look at the quality pass catchers on this team, and their YAC potential, and I’m not just talking about WRs, with Josh stating he has been working on his ball placement so as to make run after catch better, I’m thinking we are going to be notably better in this area than some are saying. Also taking into account coach beach chairs and our line adjustments, the game out of the back field is going to be improved as well. I suspect our offense will be different in play calling and personnel usage than last the last couple of seasons, at least I hope so, and by doing so, it will keep defenses guessing more, which is a good thing. Josh is gonna shine, as will the other play makers on the offense, I for one am not even remotely worried. On top of the above, we have a damn good defense, with good to great additions, this too will help Josh and the rest of the offense every single game, again, I’m not even remotely worried. For those currently fearing out about Oline depth, I ask you this, what team has Oline depth equal to their starters? Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: THIS We had a pathetic running game outside of Allen last year. Pathetic... I don't want to hear about Singletary's YPC, he ran against light boxes and we had nobody to get us goal line/short yardage. As Simms pointed out.. Diggs is elite. Knox is above average. Davis may be big time, but we overrate last year due to the KC game. Sanders didn't give us much and neither did Beasley. So, outside of Diggs and Knox, Allen had no running game and mediocre play at WR2 and Slot WR for much of the season. That, along with an ok pass blocking OL. Much reason for optimism that his supporting cast is better going into this season... but Josh Allen elevated a slightly above average Offense into a Super Bowl caliber Offense last year. There will almost always be light boxes with Allen at QB. That’s one reason why drafting Cook made so much sense…. He’s a RB that can potentially maximize gains from an open gap. That said, Allen is still the best short yardage option on the roster in no small part due to the Oline’s inability to get consistent push up the middle. This team could use a hammer at RB, but that’s not gonna happen this year…. So 🤞🏼 that Kromer can get this Oline to a level of reliability in the running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, starrymessenger said: Actually Allen is probably # 1 on the list of the top 100. He should be but won't happen this year. Players voted in early December I believe, which was right before Josh went nuclear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, gjv said: It's interesting that Simms think Allen has the least support of any of the other top QB's. Claims Allen is asked to do more and carry the Bills Offense on his shoulders, not to mention his arm and legs. I think if had a better line he would have to do less - less running, less scrambling, less not in right position throws. Simms should know that Sanders has been talking about retirement which is why he is not on a team's roster. Simms made it sound like Josh is lacking talent in 2021 on WR which I disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said: He should be but won't happen this year. Players voted in early December I believe, which was right before Josh went nuclear. Also before the Rat’s epic meltdown against the Bungles. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 36 minutes ago, SCBills said: THIS We had a pathetic running game outside of Allen last year. Pathetic... I don't want to hear about Singletary's YPC, he ran against light boxes and we had nobody to get us goal line/short yardage. As Simms pointed out.. Diggs is elite. Knox is above average. Davis may be big time, but we overrate last year due to the KC game. Sanders didn't give us much and neither did Beasley. So, outside of Diggs and Knox, Allen had no running game and mediocre play at WR2 and Slot WR for much of the season. That, along with an ok pass blocking OL. Much reason for optimism that his supporting cast is better going into this season... but Josh Allen elevated a slightly above average Offense into a Super Bowl caliber Offense last year. I think Beane saw this as well which is why he upgraded the RB position, getting a pass catching running back and upgrading the WR position with Shakir. Crowder at slot is an upgrade over Beasely. If Austin sticks that could be another good pickup on Punt returns. I thought Beane did a nice job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Son of a K-Gun said: He should be but won't happen this year. Players voted in early December I believe, which was right before Josh went nuclear. Actually I also meant he should be. And more importantly in the long run what will be more relevant is where he winds up in the history of the game itself. Will he stand amongst the icons? I think maybe yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Nice job is a stretch. He took a flyer on Howard coming off injury, replaced Beasley with Crowder a solid replacement IMO, basically added depth to an offensive line that was poor last season and one early and one late round pick from the draft. They are an injury or two away from making Josh play Superman again. At least we know the cape fits. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 While I certainly agree with Josh at the #1 spot, I find it insane how some fans somehow think other top teams have superstar talent all over in every position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Josh Allen single handedly re-ignited my passion for the NFL. Around the time of Tyrod and his patented 90 yard passing games I was seriously beginning to prefer other things (clearing up leaves, spending time with my children, cutting my toenails). Then Allen came along and quickly became my favorite player of all time. He's just great. I love him like a brother in law. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: He's just great. I love him like a brother in law. That is an awesome comparison, I think it fits how I feel about Josh perfectly as well. I couldn't have dreamed I would get a chance to see a person/player like this playing QB for the Bills ever again...was beginning to think the 90s would be my best memories. No longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 chris simms looks like he's getting ready to wear a tie at any moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, teef said: chris simms looks like he's getting ready to wear a tie at any moment. Maybe he's just in to getting choked. He figured out a way to do it at work and without having to pay a call girl to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 57 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Nice job is a stretch. He took a flyer on Howard coming off injury, replaced Beasley with Crowder a solid replacement IMO, basically added depth to an offensive line that was poor last season and one early and one late round pick from the draft. They are an injury or two away from making Josh play Superman again. I think they did a decent job with the OL. -Hiring one of the best coaches in Kromer was a great start. -Saffold and Bates as starting Guards should be upgrades to our Guard play for most of last year. -Some of the OL hopes ride on Brown making that second year jump. Insanely talented player who, if he can put it together, can be elite. Sometimes you just have to hope guys develop. -Quessenberry is a really nice depth player and can provide adequate play at RT should Brown not make the jump. On paper, this is a pretty good starting OL, with a lot of potential. Depth is ok for NFL standards. At the skill positions Crowder and Cook are massive upgrades in explosiveness over what we had last year at slot and pass catching back/rb2. Not sure what we have in Howard or Shakir. Really hoping Tavon Austin shows out and makes this roster, because he's shown in his career another level of explosiveness at WR that we don't currently have on this roster. Whether he still possesses that remains to be seen, but early returns sound promising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: Maybe he's just in to getting choked. He figured out a way to do it at work and without having to pay a call girl to do it. maybe he even has a little noose around his neck, and uses the button to cover it up. we can go a lot of different directions here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, mannc said: Simms is not real high on Josh’s supporting cast on offense…I tend to agree, and think many here overrate our offensive weapons. Josh makes them look better than they really are… Josh had carried every single one of his weapons” to their best seasons of their career, it’s not hard to see, Allen is carrying the roster around him. Aside from Diggs, there’s not a game changer on the O and even Diggs is more consistent than spectacular. If Davis was as great as we want him to be, how did The Ghost of Manny Sanders keep him on the bench? So far he’s looked to be an adequate #3 WR. I like him, I want him to be the 1B this year, but until you do something it’s nothing. Beasley never produced like he did here and he’s so good he’s unemployed right now. John Brown, what can we say about JB, other than the guy should never be your number 1 and JA made it work. He had people thinking the Bills hit the lotto with Robert Foster FCOL. Allen is the Bills, without him, this is a sub 500 team. MaHomies had the most explosive WR in the NFL and the Best TE in the game to work with, along with a bunch of other speedsters. Rodgers also carries his team, outside of Adams he’s had nothing to work with for years, but he does have a better running game than the Bills. I don’t often say this, but I think Simms is spot on. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 Simms has been a big Allen guy the last two years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: This will consistently be the finest example of a gif in a JA thread. Even better than Daffy Duck?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Agreed… They’ll struggle to get to .500 if Josh was out for the year and Keenum was forced to start. You miserable effers...the new narrative to trash the Bills is to say they're nothing without Josh. As if the Bills did NOTHING to get and develop Josh. Yeah, the Pats*** all those years would have been nothing without Brady. The Packers would have been nothing without Favre...or Rodgers. Christ. Great QBs elevate their teams. Film at 11. P.S. The Bills have a stinking good roster, great coaches, and a competent front office. Not that you care. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: I think Beane saw this as well which is why he upgraded the RB position, getting a pass catching running back and upgrading the WR position with Shakir. Crowder at slot is an upgrade over Beasely. If Austin sticks that could be another good pickup on Punt returns. I thought Beane did a nice job. Austin has not been good on returns, especially the last few years...he has averaged 4.6 yards per punt return over that time which is brutal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Simms has been a big Allen guy the last two years How much if any do you think that had something to do in his decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 5 hours ago, SCBills said: THIS We had a pathetic running game outside of Allen last year. Pathetic... I don't want to hear about Singletary's YPC, he ran against light boxes and we had nobody to get us goal line/short yardage. As Simms pointed out.. Diggs is elite. Knox is above average. Davis may be big time, but we overrate last year due to the KC game. Sanders didn't give us much and neither did Beasley. So, outside of Diggs and Knox, Allen had no running game and mediocre play at WR2 and Slot WR for much of the season. That, along with an ok pass blocking OL. Much reason for optimism that his supporting cast is better going into this season... but Josh Allen elevated a slightly above average Offense into a Super Bowl caliber Offense last year. I agree with much of what you said.........but "ok pass blocking"?? No. The Bills OL was the worst pass blocking unit in the NFL in terms of pressures and sacks allowed. That's why they had to turn him into Mike Alstott 2.0 down the stretch to get into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 15, 2022 Share Posted June 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: How much if any do you think that had something to do in his decision? I imagine a great deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 I wish and hope for better OLINE play and players for Josh. I think any and all the o skill players today and future would work fine with Josh+top 10 OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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