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YoloinOhio Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 For the film watchers… is there a reason NOT to be optimistic? Or is it that based on him being buried in the rotation/relegated to inactive sometimes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So they drafted another college power rusher then tried to turn him into a speed rusher, is that what we are supposed to take from the "weight under control" line? If they did, then one of Boogie or AJE better kick on. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42Knuck Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm excited about all the young DE's. Thinking about all the Bills draft picks that took big steps in year 3, I would certainly expect Epenesa to have a similar jump. Also the fact the Groot had a bf Rookie year should bode well, I just hope he doesn't got he other way into a Sophomore slump? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 If just one of the early defensive end picks make a jump, we will see a much better defense against the better teams. Against some of the better offenses, it seemed like we didn't have a chance unless the offense scored at least 30+. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: So they drafted another college power rusher then tried to turn him into a speed rusher, is that what we are supposed to take from the "weight under control" line? If they did, then one of Boogie or AJE better kick on. We don’t know what weight under control means. He looked to be carrying some bad weight last year. If he drops 10 LBs of fat while maintaining strength, that doesn’t seem like a bad thing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: For the film watchers… is there a reason NOT to be optimistic? Or is it that based on him being buried in the rotation/relegated to inactive sometimes? Personally I think Boogie can be a good starting "big end" in the NFL in a similar way to how Shaq played for us in 2019 before he left for Miami. He can stop the run, push the pocket some and get some clean up production where Von, Greg, Ed have made things happen and flushed QBs out. I think that sort of sack production Shaq had in his final year - 6/6.5 sacks - is about where you can realistically hope he gets but that is probably his ceiling. I don't think he can be a difference making pass rusher. He doesn't have an explosive first step and he lacks the technique especially with his hands to win consistently against good NFL tackles. That was pretty much where I was on him coming out and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt that. Let's see how the body transformation goes. 4 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Basham had just one sack fewer than Rousseau despite playing less than half the number of snaps as Greg (531-201) I think there's a realistic chance that Boogie could end up being the better player in the long run. Edited May 12, 2022 by Allen2Diggs 6 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I think this is the year we are bound to have some luck finally with at least a couple of these lineman panning out. I keep seeing stuff from Washington fans that Tim Settle is going to be a great player as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I wouldn’t describe Boogie as a great pass rusher. He gets hustle sacks. Interesting to see how this year plays out if he loses weight. Miller will create more opportunities for everyone. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Be awfully nice if one of these pass rushers showed out. We used a ton of draft capital on it and need them to hit so we can draft other spots in the coming years. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said: I think this is the year we are bound to have some luck finally with at least a couple of these lineman panning out. I keep seeing stuff from Washington fans that Tim Settle is going to be a great player as well. I know a lot of people hate PFF, but they rated Settle prior to 2020 season as one of the best run stopping DT’s in the NFL. We didn’t grab him to sack people, but to stop guys like Henry from penetrating and blowing it out like that one play last year. Last year we had him under 2 yards a carry until he broke out. Jackson is also known for these abilities. Oliver and Phillips are our penetrators. Phillips may get back to form from when here with 9.5 sacks as a DT. That’s rare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Honestly, I really liked what I saw from him when he was on the field. He just wasn’t on the field very much. I think he winds up being the Charles Johnson of the Carolina rotation. Not a game changing player, but a very solid all around player who will wind up in the 6-10 sack range every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: I know a lot of people hate PFF, but they rated Settle prior to 2020 season as one of the best run stopping DT’s in the NFL. We didn’t grab him to sack people, but to stop guys like Henry from penetrating and blowing it out like that one play last year. Last year we had him under 2 yards a carry until he broke out. Jackson is also known for these abilities. Oliver and Phillips are our penetrators. Phillips may get back to form from when here with 9.5 sacks as a DT. That’s rare. Yeah I was really sad to see Harrison Phillips leave but I've kinda come around on an optimistic feeling Settle might be an upgrade there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'd still rather have had Creed Humphrey. But hoping Basham becomes a great player. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm hopeful for the normal "Go Bills" reasons, also his name is damn cool it'd be great if he clicked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Personally I think Boogie can be a good starting "big end" in the NFL in a similar way to how Shaq played for us in 2019 before he left for Miami. He can stop the run, push the pocket some and get some clean up production where Von, Greg, Ed have made things happen and flushed QBs out. I think that sort of sack production Shaq had in his final year - 6/6.5 sacks - is about where you can realistically hope he gets but that is probably his ceiling. I don't think he can be a difference making pass rusher. He doesn't have an explosive first step and he lacks the technique especially with his hands to win consistently against good NFL tackles. That was pretty much where I was on him coming out and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt that. Let's see how the body transformation goes. Yep he’s a power/hustle guy. Shaq has made a decent enough career of it and probably would’ve been better off as a late second rounder who had to prove himself. Ironically Boogie now has Shaq to learn from. No reason he can’t carve out a role. OTOH, we heard the same May hype about Epanesa in 2021… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I don’t know. It seems like more fun to crap on him. Can’t have everything I guess. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I like Bashams potential. He’s a powerful rusher if he can refine some techniques issues he’ll be a good player for us 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I do not think Basham was supposed to play much in his rookie season. He did get some time and did okay, especially in the post season. We should be getting a better idea of what we have in him this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Love Boogie, he made plays every time he was on the field. That said, there was tons of optimism and hype around AJ last year too, and we know how that turned out. At least Boogie has had multiple moments on the field. Edited May 11, 2022 by TheyCallMeAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Personally I think Boogie can be a good starting "big end" in the NFL in a similar way to how Shaq played for us in 2019 before he left for Miami. He can stop the run, push the pocket some and get some clean up production where Von, Greg, Ed have made things happen and flushed QBs out. I think that sort of sack production Shaq had in his final year - 6/6.5 sacks - is about where you can realistically hope he gets but that is probably his ceiling. I don't think he can be a difference making pass rusher. He doesn't have an explosive first step and he lacks the technique especially with his hands to win consistently against good NFL tackles. That was pretty much where I was on him coming out and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt that. Let's see how the body transformation goes. If you combined him with Hughes youd have an all pro. Sad seeing Hughes never fully develop and be done here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I really like Boogie and his potential. I felt like he flashed some real potential last year despite limited reps. What is going to be interesting to me this camp is the battle for snaps between AJE and Boogie. Last camp, AJE was the talk of camp, but we still had Addison and Hughes, plus a first round pick in Groot who actually took over as a starter week 1. So it left AJE where he had been since getting here, in a backup rotation. Now with Mario and Hughes gone, I am really excited to see how our young guys play this camp in Groot, AJE, and Boogie. One thing I want to point out about AJE is that its too early to write him off like some around here have been. Colts wrote off Hughes, and that was a terrible mistake. So, I am for one excited to see this battle of the two guys probably getting over looked the most by fans in AJE and Boogie. I feel like one, or maybe even both, could surprise this year if they can prove they deserve more snaps. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: For the film watchers… is there a reason NOT to be optimistic? Or is it that based on him being buried in the rotation/relegated to inactive sometimes? his draft slot doesn’t indicate elite talent either… I think the key to the optimism is managing what that expectation is. Viable rotational guy could be optimism after being inactive, right? It’s a tricky word for the purpose of discussion here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: So they drafted another college power rusher then tried to turn him into a speed rusher, is that what we are supposed to take from the "weight under control" line? If they did, then one of Boogie or AJE better kick on. Basham and Epenesa are different. Basham was playing at around 290lbs at Wake and looked to be in the 280's last year. Hopefully getting his weight under control is keeping him around 270lbs. Epenesa dropped from 280lbs down to about 255lbs. He needs to get his weight back up to around 265-270lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: If you combined him with Hughes youd have an all pro. Sad seeing Hughes never fully develop and be done here. Well still could combined with Miller. I would guess that's part of reason they decided to move on from Hughes because of confidence in the younger players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Personally I think Boogie can be a good starting "big end" in the NFL in a similar way to how Shaq played for us in 2019 before he left for Miami. He can stop the run, push the pocket some and get some clean up production where Von, Greg, Ed have made things happen and flushed QBs out. I think that sort of sack production Shaq had in his final year - 6/6.5 sacks - is about where you can realistically hope he gets but that is probably his ceiling. I don't think he can be a difference making pass rusher. He doesn't have an explosive first step and he lacks the technique especially with his hands to win consistently against good NFL tackles. That was pretty much where I was on him coming out and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt that. Let's see how the body transformation goes. exactly this for me and that would sound like glass half full or half empty depending who you ask. I could see him being a good “glue guy” in the defense that holds the framework together while others get to be the showy impact players. You need both. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: I know a lot of people hate PFF, but they rated Settle prior to 2020 season as one of the best run stopping DT’s in the NFL. We didn’t grab him to sack people, but to stop guys like Henry from penetrating and blowing it out like that one play last year. Last year we had him under 2 yards a carry until he broke out. Jackson is also known for these abilities. Oliver and Phillips are our penetrators. Phillips may get back to form from when here with 9.5 sacks as a DT. That’s rare. Multiple holds helped Henry penetrate and blow it out on that run. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, H2o said: Basham and Epenesa are different. Basham was playing at around 290lbs at Wake and looked to be in the 280's last year. Hopefully getting his weight under control is keeping him around 270lbs. Epenesa dropped from 280lbs down to about 255lbs. He needs to get his weight back up to around 265-270lbs. I hope so. Because taking one power rusher and attempting a total rebuild of his game is worth a punt I suppose. Doing it twice would be unwise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: What is going to be interesting to me this camp is the battle for snaps between AJE and Boogie. Last camp, AJE was the talk of camp, but we still had Addison and Hughes, plus a first round pick in Groot who actually took over as a starter week 1. So it left AJE where he had been since getting here, in a backup rotation. Yeah agree...will be interesting to see how it plays out. Although AJE showed a flash or 2 here and there last season he clearly still needs some work. Some seem to have lost some confidence in AJE, but hopefully 3rd season's a charm for him. If he doesn't pick up the pace Boogie might end up making it an easy decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Personally I think Boogie can be a good starting "big end" in the NFL in a similar way to how Shaq played for us in 2019 before he left for Miami. He can stop the run, push the pocket some and get some clean up production where Von, Greg, Ed have made things happen and flushed QBs out. I think that sort of sack production Shaq had in his final year - 6/6.5 sacks - is about where you can realistically hope he gets but that is probably his ceiling. I don't think he can be a difference making pass rusher. He doesn't have an explosive first step and he lacks the technique especially with his hands to win consistently against good NFL tackles. That was pretty much where I was on him coming out and I haven't seen anything yet to make me doubt that. Let's see how the body transformation goes. Its not a beauty contest. I thought Basham played hard and fast whenever he was on the field. Which was not a whole lot. I think he has solid upside to be a strong contributor in the D Line rotation. D linemen don't need to look like Tony Gonzalez or Calvin Johnson. (which is where Epenesa was heading.) Put some bulk on these guys and let them fire off the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: For the film watchers… is there a reason NOT to be optimistic? Or is it that based on him being buried in the rotation/relegated to inactive sometimes? His play over the last 4-6 weeks of the season was light years ahead of what we'd seen from him earlier on. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I like Basham over AJE going forward. Can't help but think AJ could be the odd man out with Shaq now in the mix. Wonder if he holds any value in a trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 AJ was weird because the hype spilled into camp, into preseason, and then into the start of the season. His Miami performance was one of the best performances by a Bills pass rusher that I could remember. Then it just went quiet. Not a ton of snaps so it’s hard to really gauge, but some games he played a decent amount. I’m not really down on AJ, he’s shown signs. Bills use a very heavy rotation so maybe it’s difficult to develop as a pass rusher. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said: I like Basham over AJE going forward. Can't help but think AJ could be the odd man out with Shaq now in the mix. Wonder if he holds any value in a trade? Lol, you really wonder if he has "value" in a trade? Lol, I have to question what exactly do you consider value?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: AJ was weird because the hype spilled into camp, into preseason, and then into the start of the season. His Miami performance was one of the best performances by a Bills pass rusher that I could remember. Then it just went quiet. Not a ton of snaps so it’s hard to really gauge, but some games he played a decent amount. I’m not really down on AJ, he’s shown signs. Bills use a very heavy rotation so maybe it’s difficult to develop as a pass rusher. Agree. I remember another game he made an impressive play with his speed and ran the play down stopping what should have been a big gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Basham is going to be an above average rotational guy for us, maybe even more at times, the D line looks to have gotten better imo, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I hope so. Because taking one power rusher and attempting a total rebuild of his game is worth a punt I suppose. Doing it twice would be unwise. I don't think they're going to have him drop that much weight. Sounds like just to get rid of some extra baby fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 The real question is where is going to play? Is he going to kick inside on passing downs and be a penetrating 3T or is he just a back up at DE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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