foreboding Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 13 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I will use this moment to point out that a mere 2 years ago I was called a racist on here for suggesting that Josh will be a better QB than Lamar and likely quickly. Few in NFL circles would disagree with me now, but I saw the potential of Josh and the likelihood that Jackson would never be a MVP candidate again with so much film on him. LJ is a good QB in the right system, Josh is the system Why would anyone call you a racist for that take? Either there is more to it, or the person who called you a racist is a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 11:49 PM, DCofNC said: The fact Lamar doesn’t have a new contract tells you everything you need to know about Baltimore’s opinion on Lamar. Him not having an agent doesn't help matters, but it is telling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 On 4/28/2022 at 9:49 PM, DCofNC said: The fact Lamar doesn’t have a new contract tells you everything you need to know about Baltimore’s opinion on Lamar. They want to give him one but he is refusing to negotiate. My guess is he wants to be the highest paid QB in the league and knows that he won't get that unless he goes and plays out of his mind this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 Lamar had his one video game "make everyone miss" MVP season. He will never duplicate that again. Nor will anyone pay him 40+/ yr. You still need to throw the ball downfield. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Lamar had his one video game "make everyone miss" MVP season. He will never duplicate that again. Nor will anyone pay him 40+/ yr. You still need to throw the ball downfield. That's why he has Andrews. Doesn't he have like 40% of the teams receptions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) On 4/28/2022 at 11:49 PM, DCofNC said: The fact Lamar doesn’t have a new contract tells you everything you need to know about Baltimore’s opinion on Lamar. Stories in the local papers here point the finger at LJ not the Ravens. The Ravens have reportedly tried to sign him, but it is LJ acting as his own agent and operating in his own timeline that is holding things up. The interesting part of the story for me is he has a limited supply of receivers. So missing OTA time means he is not building chemistry with the FNGs. Chemistry and timing are some of the key outcomes of OTAs. Edited May 26, 2022 by wjag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 18 hours ago, Beerball said: I'm sure that's why some, in your mind, called you a racist. Got a link? Not sure if you can see it all but on page three Ethan starts his post with "This is just a blatantly racist original post. If anything you should have the exact opposite take." And then explained why Jackson was better and therefore I am racist for seeing Josh had a higher top side and was likely to reach it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Lamar had his one video game "make everyone miss" MVP season. He will never duplicate that again. Nor will anyone pay him 40+/ yr. You still need to throw the ball downfield. Pretty silly he won’t sign a big contract and secure his future now. Takes one massive hit and if he loses a step in the run game he is a below average passer in the pocket especially without the threat of the run. Pretty silly IMHO. Edited May 26, 2022 by wppete 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Lamar is going to end up screwing himself, royally.. YUP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: Lamar is going to end up screwing himself, royally.. I'm all to familiar with the "self fulfilling prophecy" aspect of being human. That being said, can't disagree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Lamar is going to end up screwing himself, royally.. I don't understand these guys that do this just so thay they can have 270 million instead of 240 million or whatever. With that much money is the risk really worth that much?!?! Not to most people 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Let me take a stab at how I think this unfolding. The team would like to sign him at a fair value. I'm sure they offered or at least hinted @ what he's worth to the team. They'd make him top 5 ... or something but they're not making him the #1 paid player in the league. Lamar has been saying something to the effect that he wasn't ready, or didn't want a new deal yet because he wouldn't be satisfied with his play until he was the best or, #1, or something. That translates to; I know my #'s don't say I'm the best, but you have to be ready to make me the highest paid player in the league before we even speak. Everything comes down to $. LJ has a good idea the team ain't gonna pay him #1 $, and he ain't having it. I'm sure he wants the team to reach out with a clear message that he will be the highest paid player in the league, that's all he wants to hear. That would get him to sign, believe it. Otherwise, he'll go full Cartman from South Park if he doesn't get what he wants. If you don't make me the highest paid player in the league, I'll take my ball and go next year. That's how I see it at any rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, BUFFALOBART said: Lamar is going to end up screwing himself, royally.. Or, he could end up getting over on everyone like Kirk Cousins. At the end if 2023 Cousins will have made just under $232M. If Lamar's scenario plays out like Cousins' then he'll make twice that because of the QB market now days in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: You may be right. My sense, is that it could also go horribly wrong, due to Jackson's style of play. Yeah, you saw the injuries catch up with him last year and it could happen again. Vick had to evolve as a QB as well when he was in the league. If Jackson does not then it will catch up to him sooner or later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 hours ago, wppete said: Pretty silly he won’t sign a big contract and secure his future now. Takes one massive hit and if he loses a step in the run game he is a below average passer in the pocket especially without the threat of the run. Pretty silly IMHO. This is why an agent is valuable, take the emotions to a minimum and be smart. Trying to squeeze an extra 3 Million a year out of a deal isn’t worth risking 35+ a year for the next 4-6 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Lamar had his one video game "make everyone miss" MVP season. He will never duplicate that again. Nor will anyone pay him 40+/ yr. You still need to throw the ball downfield. He's the next RG3 . He'll be a backup in 4 years 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 So here is what we know so far - Brown told Jackson he requested a trade and he knew about it - Jackson claims he wants to stay in Baltimore - Baltimore wants to give him an extension - Jackson won't talk contract with them Sounds an awful lot like he is saying all the right things until it gets to the point where he doesn't need to anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think Lamar is having a personal or mental health meltdown after the beatings he has taken and is likely questioning his future as a pro athlete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) Lamar was kind of a unicorn in an offense built around him. He got figured out. Buffalo created the plan to shut him down, the Titans used it later that year to upset the Ravens in the playoffs (Titans openly admitted they used our defensive scheme in that game). Many QBs start out with a bang, but then other teams get tape on them and performance drops. That seems to have happened to Lamar. His bargining position is...dubious. Edited May 27, 2022 by The Red King 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, The Red King said: Lamar was kind of a unicorn in an offense built around him. He got figured out. Buffalo created the plan to shut him down, the Titans used it later that year to upset the Ravens in the playoffs (Titans openly admitted they used our defensive scheme in that game). Many QBs start out with a bang, but then other teams get tape on them and performance drops. That seems to have happened to Lamar. His bargining position is...dubious. I don't agree the league has figured him out. He was rolling along last year and the Ravens were in first place in the AFC (with a completely decimated RB room). Then he got sick week 10 and missed the game. A return bout of COVID was speculated but I don't think ever confirmed. He was hurt in week 13 against Cleveland, I think, and was never seen in a live game since. They tried to bring him back and video surfaced of him limping badly on the practice field. That was the effective end of his season. My speculation is that COVID walloped him twice. And then he got dinged. He very well might be in a long rehab and is still not up to snuff, hence the absence from public view. Edited May 27, 2022 by wjag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 minute ago, wjag said: I don't agree the league has figured him out. He was rolling along last year and the Ravens were in first place in the AFC (with a completely decimated RB) room. Then he got sick week 10 and missed the game. A return bout of COVID was speculated but I don't think ever confirmed. He was hurt in week 13 against Cleveland, I think, and was never seen in a live game since. They tried to bring him back and video surfaced of him limping badly on the practice field. That was the effective end of his season. My speculation is that COVID walloped him twice. And then he got dinged. He very well might be in a long rehab and is still not up to snuff, hence the absence from public view. Their offense never gelled last season. Bateman started year on IR. Hollywood was on the injury report 6 times last year which usually is an indication of some ongoing injuries. Stanley missed a ton of time, and they moved Orlando Brown. Basically the entire oline was in flux all year. They went from Edwards and Dobbins with about 280 carries at a 5.5 YPC clip, to Freeman/Murray at about a 4.2 YPC clip. Bell had 32 touches for 84 yards. Add in the fact that peters was gone all year, and humphrey was banged up and missed time. Now they'll have Peters back, and add Kyle Hamilton. I doubt they'll have the worst pass defense in the league again. They could definitely use some help in the receiver room. But their goal was to get better up front, and linderbaum and a healthy stanley goes a long way there. I think they'll look at late stage WR's here and see if they can find someone to help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, babulator said: Let me take a stab at how I think this unfolding. The team would like to sign him at a fair value. I'm sure they offered or at least hinted @ what he's worth to the team. They'd make him top 5 ... or something but they're not making him the #1 paid player in the league. Lamar has been saying something to the effect that he wasn't ready, or didn't want a new deal yet because he wouldn't be satisfied with his play until he was the best or, #1, or something. That translates to; I know my #'s don't say I'm the best, but you have to be ready to make me the highest paid player in the league before we even speak. Everything comes down to $. LJ has a good idea the team ain't gonna pay him #1 $, and he ain't having it. I'm sure he wants the team to reach out with a clear message that he will be the highest paid player in the league, that's all he wants to hear. That would get him to sign, believe it. Otherwise, he'll go full Cartman from South Park if he doesn't get what he wants. If you don't make me the highest paid player in the league, I'll take my ball and go next year. That's how I see it at any rate. Now Lemur wants as much as Browns paid Watson thinking he has done more and wants it guaranteed. Ravens are not so stupid. Maybe other teams who wanted him are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Red King said: Lamar was kind of a unicorn in an offense built around him. He got figured out. Buffalo created the plan to shut him down, the Titans used it later that year to upset the Ravens in the playoffs (Titans openly admitted they used our defensive scheme in that game). Many QBs start out with a bang, but then other teams get tape on them and performance drops. That seems to have happened to Lamar. His bargining position is...dubious. The one exception is if you have a great arm, (like someone we know) Defenses will figure you out to a point, but the arm will win if you have a decent brain on your head and decent accuracy to know the right place to throw it. On top of that if you can find someone who also can run and is built like a LB, you're in an even better place. Just have to find that guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think Lamar Jackson is doing exactly what the Ravens hope he'd do. They hope he leaves as a FA. I don't think Lamar Jackson is 100% healthy, nor will he ever be. The Ravens know this. This is why the Ravens are likely pitching a new deal that doesn't have a lot of guaranteed money but a lot of playing time and performance incentives. A deal he surely will never sign. They don't want to be attached to him as the QB on a long term deal, despite the public posturing. The Ravens can't trade him and get the value they seek, either. The NFL knows what the Ravens know. My guess is they will ride with him in 2022 and then let him walk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Who knows what's really going on. but I doubt the Ravens made a real long term offer and were turned down with no further negotiations taking place. Sounds more like trying to negotiate and influence opinions through the media than anything real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 To be clear, when I said 'figured him out', I don't mean Lamer is washed up or useless or anything. Defenses have figured him out and as a result he's now less effective then his MVP year, that's all. He's still a great QB, but I don't think he can be productive enough anymore to warrent the salary he seems to want, that's all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Red King said: Lamar was kind of a unicorn in an offense built around him. He got figured out. Buffalo created the plan to shut him down, the Titans used it later that year to upset the Ravens in the playoffs (Titans openly admitted they used our defensive scheme in that game). Many QBs start out with a bang, but then other teams get tape on them and performance drops. That seems to have happened to Lamar. His bargining position is...dubious. I think his bargaining position is pretty strong. They refuse to let him play QB and want to run an offense that basically makes it so no quality WR's will want to come there and play with him and an offense that is likely shortening his career by subjecting him to a lot of hits running the ball. He basically tells them you are paying or I am out of here and going to a team that will let me run an NFL offense, because you know there are at least 15 teams that would be in a bidding war for him as an FA. Edited May 27, 2022 by Big Turk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 30 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: The one exception is if you have a great arm, (like someone we know) Defenses will figure you out to a point, but the arm will win if you have a decent brain on your head and decent accuracy to know the right place to throw it. On top of that if you can find someone who also can run and is built like a LB, you're in an even better place. Just have to find that guy! Yeah, I phrased it wrong. I meant "Some of the QBs that start out great...", and that's where the real star QBs emerge, the ones that can still play at star level after there is tape on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Eh. He’s betting on himself to have a big year. I respect it. Talk about hyperbole. Dude is a lot better than RG3. Pre knee injury, RG3 was legit... Thats what is scary about that style. Eventually will catchup and injuries will set in. Josh is a big dude, but I always hold breath when he takes off. One big hit can destroy a whole season, even a career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said: Pre knee injury, RG3 was legit... Thats what is scary about that style. Eventually will catchup and injuries will set in. Josh is a big dude, but I always hold breath when he takes off. One big hit can destroy a whole season, even a career. Yeah, but that's true of any position, any style of player, any play. There is no real evidence to suggest that QB who runs = injury risk. A QB could lose the season standing in the pocket and getting his ankle rolled by his own lineman. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Red King said: To be clear, when I said 'figured him out', I don't mean Lamer is washed up or useless or anything. Defenses have figured him out and as a result he's now less effective then his MVP year, that's all. He's still a great QB, but I don't think he can be productive enough anymore to warrent the salary he seems to want, that's all. In my head that is obvious but I am glad you said it. I enjoy watching him but I would be shocked if he is ever MVP again 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: I think his bargaining position is pretty strong. They refuse to let him play QB and want to run an offense that basically makes it so no quality WR's will want to come there and play with him and an offense that is likely shortening his career by subjecting him to a lot of hits running the ball. He basically tells them you are paying or I am out of here and going to a team that will let me run an NFL offense, because you know there are at least 15 teams that would be in a bidding war for him as an FA. I disagree in two minor ways; I think the team is built to maximize his ability so no reciever want to come because he will be only star. Second I bet only about 5-8 team are bidding for him, but even if only 5 he will get paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 The Ravens are wise to lowball Lamar with a contract. I'm absolutely using this 5th year as a final audition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 9:41 PM, Limeaid said: While they may be friends he does nothing Bollywood's game. I forgot to add my 😎 at the end of statement. Was speaking tongue in cheek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Doc said: The Ravens are wise to lowball Lamar with a contract. I'm absolutely using this 5th year as a final audition. If they actually let a 25 year old NFL MVP walk then they deserve everything that’s coming to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: If they actually let a 25 year old NFL MVP walk then they deserve everything that’s coming to them. We'll see. That MVP season might as well have been eons ago. It will be interesting to see how this season goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Doc said: We'll see. That MVP season might as well have been eons ago. It will be interesting to see how this season goes. I'm just saying...Ravens lowball Jackson after greatly reducing his market value in Roman's high school system plus rack up the mileage w/read option, how many guys are going to want to play for them after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Lamar just seems a bit immature and directionless to me. Not a guy I want leading my franchise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: I'm just saying...Ravens lowball Jackson after greatly reducing his market value in Roman's high school system plus rack up the mileage w/read option, how many guys are going to want to play for them after that? You could argue that Roman has been tailoring the offense to Lamar's strengths. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Just now, Doc said: You could argue that Roman has been tailoring the offense to Lamar's strengths. No doubt. And it’s been very successful. But it hasn’t contributed greatly to Jackson’s market value or longevity, which is a grievance I don’t fault him for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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