I don't think WR is a need. We got a breakout star on our roster already

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Why do people always and I mean ALWAYS want to neglect the offense? 

 

Except for the bunch of us who beat the drum that we shouldn't neglect the offense, you mean?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

You've got OL way too high after signing Rodger Saffold, retaining Ryan Bates long term, re-signing Ike Boettger, and also signing Greg Mancz. Starting Line is set for this season and 4/5 of them are on long term contracts.

 

Maybe a mid round pick or two for development. But none of Dawkins, Saffold, Morse, Bates, or Brown are being benched and you don't spend your first rounder on a rotational Lineman who won't see much playing time in Year 1.

 

Hmmmm.  Saffold is going into his 12 season at age 34.  His strength is run blocking, not pass pro.  I like the signing a lot more than some other folks here, and I think he's an upgrade on Williams at G, but he is NOT a long term plan at IOL.

 

Bates is part of an OL of Dawkins-Bates-Morse-Williams-Brown that Beane referred to as "a starting point" in his post-season presser where he said that we need to protect Josh, and that the running game is part of protecting Josh.  If that's a "starting point" and Beane thinks swapping Saffold for Williams and switching Bates to the R side is a suitable "end point" to accomplish the "protect Josh, improve the run game" goal, he's not who we think he is as GM and he's not sincere about meeting those goals.

 

I'm not saying that 1st round OL is the way to go, but we need a high draft pick (round 1-3) on OL and probably a late pick as well.

 

Boettger may not come back the same from his Achilles, especially early in the season.  Mancz is a 4-team journeyman signed as depth.

 

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Do you trust this coaching staff to play the best players? Took 10+ weeks and multiple injuries to get Bates in the lineup. Davis was getting minimal targets for much of the season.  Moss and Singletary were getting equal reps. Gilliam is allowed to play. McKenzie disappeared for large stitches of the season. Basham is inactive most of the season while we watch Epenesa suck all year.

Not saying I think Stevenson will break out this year. But I wouldn't dismiss the possibility. 

Yes I trust the coaching staff to get the best players on the field for the playoffs.  I think the end of the season demonstrates it perfectly. 

 

They have admitted they were limiting reps for Beasley and Diggs.  They fiddled with the line (some of it injuries) during the season almost every year.  I think they will continue to fiddle for the first 3 quarters of the season so they can find the best players for the playoff push.  That will mean we play worse at the start of the season and have some head scratchers.

 

I agree I don't quite see Stevenson breaking out.  

[TBBills]

This thread would have been good for today.

[RyanC883]

the OP does make a good point.  We have Stevenson and Hodgkins.  Yes, they have proven nothing due to the depth of the WR room, but a rookie has proven nothing either (but they were not here).  

 

I think the WRs will be taken in the 2nd or 3rd.  Really depends on BPA.  If that's a WR I'm all for it.  I just don't want to reach for anything.  I'm cool with CB, IOL, LB, CB, anything at BPA at 25.  Don't target a position, there should be a day 1 impact player there.  Then trade up in 2nd if you love a specific WR, RB, or CB, and do same in 3rd.  

[DCofNC]

Guy was awful last year and he’s the “Break Out Star” this year huh?   This better be a sad attempt at an April Fools post.

[ExWNYer]

The OP would have been much better served posting this hot (garbage) take today rather than last night.

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

The OP would have been much better served posting this hot (garbage) take today rather than last night.

 

It was a preemptive April Fool's Day post, he got us all!

[Simon Says]

14 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

I don't remember any game off the top of my head that Hodgins was active for. 

Like I said, the coaching staff seemed to gain alot of trust in Stevenson as the season went on. 

Please elaborate on how they "gained a lot trust '. If this is an April Fools joke, its pretty bad...

[Warcodered]

 

[without a drought]

With that settled, now they can trade Diggs and Davis for a rb and a punter.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You've got OL way too high after signing Rodger Saffold, retaining Ryan Bates long term, re-signing Ike Boettger, and also signing Greg Mancz. Starting Line is set for this season and 4/5 of them are on long term contracts.

 

Maybe a mid round pick or two for development. But none of Dawkins, Saffold, Morse, Bates, or Brown are being benched and you don't spend your first rounder on a rotational Lineman who won't see much playing time in Year 1.

 

Dane Jackson played more snaps last year than Bates, yet bates is penciled in at starting RG - despite playing LG last year, and everyone says jackson is trash.  I actually think i like his play better than wallace in our defense.  

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

44 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

If you rock the neck beard you really should have a brim on your hat, IMO.

 

[FireChans]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That didn't happen.

 

He played just 6 offensive snaps all season........no receptions..........and lost his returner job in the playoffs.

 

 

 

It just “seemed” like that happened. Just like how I “seem” to get funnier, smarter and better looking with age.

Edited April 1, 2022 by FireChans

[FireChans]

14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills were the worst yards after catch team in the entire NFL last year.

 

They NEED someone who can take a short pass and do some damage to keep defense's honest.

 

It's not a want.........it's a NEED.

 

Before Josh Allen turned into RB1 and his 200-carry-season-pace made the Bills offense almost impossible to defend for 4 quarters........there were games where their lack of RAC ability and explosiveness in the short passing game was extremely detrimental.

 

Adding Jamison Crowder and his woeful 3.5 yac figure last year shouldn't be counted on to change that aspect.

 

Excellent post. Sanders was a pickup I didn’t feel too strongly about last year because he is a guy too similar to the skill sets of Davis and Diggs. 
 

We need a guy that can take a 5 yard flare pattern and run around the defender to get 10 or 15. Guys like that are the “missing link” in our offense. 

 

[BarleyNY]

16 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

His name is Marquez Stevenson. With the Crowder acquisition, re signing McKenzie and Davis being as good as I believe he is, I think we're good at WR. Also the beauty of having a Stefon Diggs is he'll bring great intensity and leadership to the WR room and bring out the best from the younger guys.

 

Stevenson was 1st team all ACC in 18 and 19 and has freakish speed. He seemed to gain confidence in the coaching staff with his late season return duties. 

 

Davis takes Sanders role. Crowder takes Beasleys role. McKenzie can play in or out and Stevenson can be what McKenzie was last year.

 

I could totally see a Diggs , McKenzie and Stevenson 3 WR set. I think he could at least be a Hardman type of WR WR because his pure speed is super elite and will always gain attention for his deep threat ability.  

 

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a WR in rd 5 or later but we quietly built a really good WR room even with 2 veteran losses. Hodgins is also sitting there as a total wildcard. He might not cut it in the NFL but he's only going on year 3

 

What yall think? 

His college tape is insane! 

 

 

 

We should totally depend on this 

[FilthyBeast]

Wishful thinking since everyone is looking for the next Tyreek Hill type of player, but there's honestly a better chance at this point of Stevenson not even making the team this summer vs making the roster and contributing.

 

Still pretty sure we are going to add another WR at some point in the draft and/or FA which also diminishes the chances of Stevenson being on the final roster.

 

[BigAl2526]

Stevenson is unproven and undersized for an outside receiver.  He is mostly special teams and depth at slot receiver, and perhaps a potential gadget player should Isaiah McKenzie eventually depart.  Size is the main reason I'm not especially thrilled with the projection some mock drafts have of Jahan Dotson going to Buffalo

 

[Putin]

16 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

His name is Marquez Stevenson. With the Crowder acquisition, re signing McKenzie and Davis being as good as I believe he is, I think we're good at WR. Also the beauty of having a Stefon Diggs is he'll bring great intensity and leadership to the WR room and bring out the best from the younger guys.

 

Stevenson was 1st team all ACC in 18 and 19 and has freakish speed. He seemed to gain confidence in the coaching staff with his late season return duties. 

 

Davis takes Sanders role. Crowder takes Beasleys role. McKenzie can play in or out and Stevenson can be what McKenzie was last year.

 

I could totally see a Diggs , McKenzie and Stevenson 3 WR set. I think he could at least be a Hardman type of WR WR because his pure speed is super elite and will always gain attention for his deep threat ability.  

 

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a WR in rd 5 or later but we quietly built a really good WR room even with 2 veteran losses. Hodgins is also sitting there as a total wildcard. He might not cut it in the NFL but he's only going on year 3

 

What yall think? 

His college tape is insane! 

 

 

 

Wow a star ha ? 

5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

Stevenson is unproven and undersized for an outside receiver.  He is mostly special teams and depth at slot receiver, and perhaps a potential gadget player should Isaiah McKenzie eventually depart.  Size is the main reason I'm not especially thrilled with the projection some mock drafts have of Jahan Dotson going to Buffalo

 

I would love Jahan Dotson give Josh another weapon, besides drafting a CB I wouldn’t mind this entire draft being dedicated to the offense , and yes I would like another RB in draft as well 

[Deadstroke]

6 hours ago, CapeBreton said:

Marquez Stevenson's college highlights are awesome but he absolutely stunk last year, no other way to put it. We need to draft a return guy to compete with Stevenson at camp. Velus Jones Jr lets go.

My 2 cents.  First of all most are saying 4.45 isn't fast; well, it is.  But really, it seems apparent he's faster than that with 4.3s galore in college.  Then, yeah, he fumbled, but lots of rookies get nervous their first couple of times out.  IMO he needs a BIG look in training camp this year because he IS fast and has big potential.

[JoshAllin]

His highlights aren't that great, he's all speed. This years bunch highlights look much better

[papazoid]

WR is the one position where a veteran who hasn't been picked up yet would sign with bills on a 1 yr team friendly deal just to play with josh

[TheBrownBear]

Marquez Stevenson is a thoroughbred.  Unfortunately, his blinders are affixed directly in front of his eyes. 

Edited April 1, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[Matt_In_NH]

His punt returning skills are not that great  and the staff went with Hyde and Mckenzie after he had his chance.  Yes he has speed, but got stood up in a vulnerable position a lot.   He showed nothing as a WR and was a 5th round pick in a weak draft.   Not gonna write him off but also not gonna call him a "breakout star".

[JerseyBills]

I love yall but you're going to be eating crow on this one. I'm the OP and I understand he had some issues but he also only played half a rookie year and was on the active roster once he was healthy.  Pretty clear the coaching staff likes him. Idk why yall are so quick to write him off. 🤷🏻‍♂️

His college tape is unbelievable!

I'm telling ya guys , he's going to have an impact on the 2022 , Superbowl Champion, Buffalo Bills.

✌❤

On 4/1/2022 at 4:46 PM, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

His punt returning skills are not that great  and the staff went with Hyde and Mckenzie after he had his chance.  Yes he has speed, but got stood up in a vulnerable position a lot.   He showed nothing as a WR and was a 5th round pick in a weak draft.   Not gonna write him off but also not gonna call him a "breakout star".

I just believe if he stays healthy, he'll be a valuable weapon on offense 

Edited April 7, 2022 by JerseyBills

[Warriorspikes51]

I was high on him too….until he looked like he didn’t belong in the league

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I was high on him too….until he looked like he didn’t belong in the league

 

I'm not giving up on "Speedy".  TBH when we brought in Isaiah McKenzie he didn't look like he could play WR.  He might develop.

 

But, what he's shown us to date doesn't look like we should "bet the rent" (or the season) on him developing into a "Breakout Star"

[buffblue]

Yes, Stevenson has speed but it is not that noteworthy. It is basically in a straight line only, and his acceleration to top gear is not that great either. On top of that, his lateral agility is terrible and he has no route running experience.

 

I was hoping this guy might be something, but it didn't take long to realize that wasn't going to happen.

[Airseven]

WR is not a priority.

 

…because Diggs was extended. 
…because GD is primed for WR2 and under contract through ‘23.

…because Crowder got decent $ and will get major time in the slot.

…because McKenzie was re-signed and should have a similar role as last year, perhaps enhanced.

…because Kumerow was re-signed and earmarked for ST.

A developmental pick is fine to compete with Stevenson, etc. But not at the expense of more pressing needs. A speedier, pass-catching RB is a higher priority based on what the Bills have already shown this off-season.

 

[Patrick Duffy]

On 3/31/2022 at 10:04 PM, JerseyBills said:

His name is Marquez Stevenson. With the Crowder acquisition, re signing McKenzie and Davis being as good as I believe he is, I think we're good at WR. Also the beauty of having a Stefon Diggs is he'll bring great intensity and leadership to the WR room and bring out the best from the younger guys.

 

Stevenson was 1st team all ACC in 18 and 19 and has freakish speed. He seemed to gain confidence in the coaching staff with his late season return duties. 

 

Davis takes Sanders role. Crowder takes Beasleys role. McKenzie can play in or out and Stevenson can be what McKenzie was last year.

 

I could totally see a Diggs , McKenzie and Stevenson 3 WR set. I think he could at least be a Hardman type of WR WR because his pure speed is super elite and will always gain attention for his deep threat ability.  

 

I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a WR in rd 5 or later but we quietly built a really good WR room even with 2 veteran losses. Hodgins is also sitting there as a total wildcard. He might not cut it in the NFL but he's only going on year 3

 

What yall think? 

His college tape is insane! 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't count on that just yet lol. Didn't impress much last season, but as a rookie it's expected to have bumps in the road. Great speed obviously, but he has quite a ways to go to prove to be a break out star.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Yes, Stevenson has speed but it is not that noteworthy. It is basically in a straight line only, and his acceleration to top gear is not that great either. On top of that, his lateral agility is terrible and he has no route running experience.

 

I was hoping this guy might be something, but it didn't take long to realize that wasn't going to happen.

 

If only Al Davis was still alive we’d have the option to trade him for a 1st! 

[buffblue]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

If only Al Davis was still alive we’d have the option to trade him for a 1st! 

Well, he would owe it to us after Ralph bailed him out and the Lamonica/Chandler trades...

[Augie]

1 minute ago, buffblue said:

Well, he would owe it to us after Ralph bailed him out and the Lamonica/Chandler trades...

 

I almost feel bad that his son has to wear the haircut of shame after the Lamonica trade. Such is life! The next generation can avoid that hideous look. 

[Patrick Duffy]

12 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Yes, Stevenson has speed but it is not that noteworthy. It is basically in a straight line only, and his acceleration to top gear is not that great either. On top of that, his lateral agility is terrible and he has no route running experience.

 

I was hoping this guy might be something, but it didn't take long to realize that wasn't going to happen.

To be fair it hasn't been nearly long enough to make that determination. He was a rookie for Pete sake, I mean were you expecting him to have a DK Metcalf type rookie year? Lol, come on man....

 

I agree he has a ways to go, but other than the Punt Returns that scared the ***** out of all of us, he didn't get many opportunities. We will see how he does this next season and how he could be used. But I wouldn't write him off just yet

[Ya Digg?]

16 minutes ago, Airseven said:

WR is not a priority.

 

…because Diggs was extended. 
…because GD is primed for WR2 and under contract through ‘23.

…because Crowder got decent $ and will get major time in the slot.

…because McKenzie was re-signed and should have a similar role as last year, perhaps enhanced.

…because Kumerow was re-signed and earmarked for ST.

A developmental pick is fine to compete with Stevenson, etc. But not at the expense of more pressing needs. A speedier, pass-catching RB is a higher priority based on what the Bills have already shown this off-season.

 

I’m cool with your first 2 points, Crowder should have no impact on whether or not a team looks at WR, but you really lost me at mentioning WR shouldn’t be a priority because of Kummerow. So you would pass on a WR because of that guy? When has he shown anything?? And don’t mention the developmental part of your statement, that’s a throw away statement 

[buffblue]

12 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

To be fair it hasn't been nearly long enough to make that determination. He was a rookie for Pete sake, I mean were you expecting him to have a DK Metcalf type rookie year? Lol, come on man....

 

I agree he has a ways to go, but other than the Punt Returns that scared the ***** out of all of us, he didn't get many opportunities. We will see how he does this next season and how he could be used. But I wouldn't write him off just yet

Hey, I could be wrong but I'm just calling it as I see it. Some guys are rough around the edges but may have untapped potential. To me, Stevenson looked like he doesn't even belong anywhere near an NFL field.

 

What did you see that makes you believe otherwise?

Edited April 7, 2022 by buffblue

[Airseven]

9 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

I’m cool with your first 2 points, Crowder should have no impact on whether or not a team looks at WR, but you really lost me at mentioning WR shouldn’t be a priority because of Kummerow. So you would pass on a WR because of that guy? When has he shown anything?? And don’t mention the developmental part of your statement, that’s a throw away statement 

Meant that there’s only ~6 WR spots and  the roster, usually including somebody who can play ST. I don’t see the point of signing both Crowder and McKenzie if they planned to invest early in the draft. Crowder isn’t on a vet minimum.
 

“Developmental” meaning a mid-round pick. CB, RB, and OL are higher priorities. Probably also LB.

[Patrick Duffy]

23 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Hey, I could be wrong but I'm just calling it as I see it. Some guys are rough around the edges but may have untapped potential. To me, Stevenson looked like he doesn't even belong anywhere near an NFL field.

 

What did you see that makes you believe otherwise?

I'm just saying you can't really know anything after one rookie year. I'm not arguing he struggled, just way too early to write him off

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

I love yall but you're going to be eating crow on this one. I'm the OP and I understand he had some issues but he also only played half a rookie year and was on the active roster once he was healthy.  Pretty clear the coaching staff likes him. Idk why yall are so quick to write him off. 🤷🏻‍♂️

His college tape is unbelievable!

I'm telling ya guys , he's going to have an impact on the 2022 , Superbowl Champion, Buffalo Bills.

✌❤

I just believe if he stays healthy, he'll be a valuable weapon on offense 

 

Your attempt to proactively gloat about his upcoming success is essentially blowing your life savings on a stack of lottery tickets and saying "you'll see this was a wise financial decision when I win the jackpot".  If you happen to end up being "right" about him, it doesn't change the fact that this excessive optimism was baseless homerism for a personal favorite player.  He simply hasn't shown anything to indicate your prediction is based on anything tangible.  I'm not saying he won't be good, I hope he will, but the evidence simply isn't there.

 

If he breaks out as you hope, you'll proclaim yourself a genius.  If he doesn't and this gets dragged up, then come the excuses about him being held back somehow.

Edited April 7, 2022 by 1ManRaid

[Matt_In_NH]

7 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

 

I just believe if he stays healthy, he'll be a valuable weapon on offense 

If you believe it will happen!