cle23 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: The Browns role as lovable loser is long gone. Their all time face of the franchise, Jim Brown, is a rapist. They erected a statue of him outside the stadium. Their current face of the franchise is a sexual predator. They just made him one of the highest paid players in league history and structured his deal in a way that allows him to avoid significant losses if he is suspended. Have the Browns taken the dirtbag title from the Chiefs?! And OJ is on the Bills Wall of Fame. Jim Brown was also never convicted. I have no idea if he is truly guilty or not. Same as Watson. I don't love the the trade just because of everything involved and not knowing what is true. Also, the whole contract thing is also crap. I don't agree with that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, cle23 said: And OJ is on the Bills Wall of Fame. Jim Brown was also never convicted. I have no idea if he is truly guilty or not. Same as Watson. I don't love the the trade just because of everything involved and not knowing what is true. Also, the whole contract thing is also crap. I don't agree with that either. OJ was never honored after his trial, and I doubt he will be part of the new stadium. He was put on the wall in 1980. Jim Brown's statue was put up in 2016, long after he was accused of multiple rapes and assaults on women. I'm sure all of those incidents were just lying women or misunderstandings though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Because of Watsons actions … Not because he sucks at football. He’s a top 5 QB in the league. I agree that he was top 5 before the 2021 season. Not so sure anymore. I’d take Herbert and burrow over him. He’s not better than Allen, Mahomes or AR. Edited March 21, 2022 by NewEra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Doc said: I hope they suspend him next season when his base salary is $46M, versus this season when it's only $1M. yes that would be golden. Please let him play this year as he drags out the civil suits and NFL defers discipline. To 2023... 😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, cle23 said: And OJ is on the Bills Wall of Fame. Jim Brown was also never convicted. I have no idea if he is truly guilty or not. Same as Watson. I don't love the the trade just because of everything involved and not knowing what is true. Also, the whole contract thing is also crap. I don't agree with that either. Legal issues aside, Watson was a decent QB, but I was never quite as high on him as some others were and it remains to be seen how he performs after the time off. That being said, I never viewed him as a QB who would "worry me", (I guess is the term) few years ago and even less now considering the time off and no Hopkins etc. I will acknowledge that he may be an improvement over Baker, but when there's anything starting to go half decent for them it seems Browns WILL FIND a way to ***** it up Lol. I thought it was rough being a Bills fan, but ya got us beat. I feel bad for Browns fans sometimes because they have had opportunities and everything in place to be a really good team only to be ruined by management/FO/owner..... Edited March 21, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, ganesh said: This deal will be good for us. Now the Ravens will be forced to pay 50+M for Lamar....It will hamstring their cap situation. Similarly for Burrows and may be even Tannehill. Just because Browns gave out this contract doesn't mean other teams will or be forced to. I'm guessing if Jackson asked for $50M Ravens would say No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: OJ was never honored after his trial, and I doubt he will be part of the new stadium. He was put on the wall in 1980. Jim Brown's statue was put up in 2016, long after he was accused of multiple rapes and assaults on women. I'm sure all of those incidents were just lying women or misunderstandings though. Like I said, I have no idea if they are true or not. If they are, he should be prosecuted fully, just like any other criminal/rapist/sex offender. I'm not defending Brown or Watson, or anyone for that matter. I have no idea if the allegations are true. I see some weird circumstances from both sides in the Watson case. I didn't want them to trade for him, but here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 hours ago, nucci said: well, looks like got their "adult" at QB Cleveland you had one job... You went in search of an "adult" and got an adult film star. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, cle23 said: Like I said, I have no idea if they are true or not. If they are, he should be prosecuted fully, just like any other criminal/rapist/sex offender. I'm not defending Brown or Watson, or anyone for that matter. I have no idea if the allegations are true. I see some weird circumstances from both sides in the Watson case. I didn't want them to trade for him, but here we are. What's your thoughts on the way they handled the situation with Baker, among other things? I can imagine that many, or most Browns fans probably don't have much confidence in Browns management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said: What's your thoughts on the way they handled the situation with Baker, among other things? I can imagine that many, or most Browns fans probably don't have much confidence in Browns management. It all depends on what really happened. The Browns FO says they talked to Baker around the time of the combine about possibly pursing an elite QB if one came available. If they did, then I have no issue with that part of it. If they didn't then that's not right. Andrew Berry SEEMS to be pretty straightforward, so I would like to believe he is truthful, but Haslam is shady so who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: I was right last year, thanks for remembering. Edited March 21, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, ganesh said: This deal will be good for us. Now the Ravens will be forced to pay 50+M for Lamar....It will hamstring their cap situation. Similarly for Burrows and may be even Tannehill. I don’t think Baltimore pays Lamar. Good chance they might move on from him if he continues to regress and can’t stay healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Doc said: I hope they suspend him next season when his base salary is $46M, versus this season when it's only $1M. Apparently the Browns are able to restructure it again next year if that happens so he again is never financially penalized. Jeremy Fowler reported this on radio today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Apparently the Browns are able to restructure it again next year if that happens so he again is never financially penalized. Jeremy Fowler reported this on radio today. Well, the “financial penalty” will be whatever Watson has to pay to settle the civil cases, so that’s probably why the league isn’t too concerned… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ray Stonada said: He’s still innocent until proven guilty in the USA. Maybe I’m a Buffalonian who has stereotypes about how they do things in Texas, but the Houston ownership and Tony Buzbee seemed out to destroy Watson’s career in a very old fashioned way. The Browns don’t care if he’s guilty. They are a garbage organization desperate to overcome their own incompetence. I don’t blame Andrew berry and Kevin stefanski. This direction is coming from their owner. Edited March 21, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) if, in some alternate reality, Watson had become our QB yesterday, i personally would have a hard time rooting for my Bills regardless if he wins or not. at some point u need to take a stand. the Browns, in giving Watson the largest fully guaranteed contract ever, lying about actually investigating the off field problems, and making the contract so that Watson will barely pay for any suspension time, have shown us that they are now a win at all cost franchise. rewarding this person is low class. i feel for the Browns fans that have morals. i honestly hope Baker plays well and rebounds on his next team. not even a Baker fan, f the Browns owners. Watson is going to need every bit of the 230 mil to pay for his behavior. Edited March 21, 2022 by bigduke6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Joe Burrow still the QB in Ohio with the most playoff wins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, TBBills said: I was right last year, thanks for remembering. about what ? Watson Chubb/Hunt is a ton of talent. To blindly say they won’t be any good doesn’t really make much sense fwiw 🤷🏼♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: That is a GREAT question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 7 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: This. Not only are they guaranteeing him Mahomes/Allen type of money (and still think he's not close to being in the same class), they are basically saying they don't give a ***** about the allegations or any pending suspensions. Also remember this is a guy that signed a guaranteed contract already with another team and decided he didn't want to play for them anymore (likely because of said allegations and because that team was entering a full blown rebuilding mode). Funny too how Watson magically changed his mind about going to Cleveland once the contract became 'guaranteed' because obviously other teams were smart of enough to want contingencies. Either way karma has a way of sorting itself out and don't be surprised if he tears an ACL especially after not playing football in so long by the time he sees the field again. AND, there are probably guys on his new team that don't even want to play with him. AND you have legions of fans who will never root for him. I am trying really hard to respect due process of law as far as the allegations go, but holy hell, I don't know how you sign a guy for even the league minimum when these kinds of accusations are hanging over his head. There is at least a legitimate chance he is a full-blown compulsive predator. Why bet the whole team on it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, skibum said: AND, there are probably guys on his new team that don't even want to play with him. AND you have legions of fans who will never root for him. I could be wrong, but I have the impression that the football locker room is a place where what happens outside of it matters less than you might think, and guys try to take each other how them find them in the locker room and on the field. In the Rich Eisen clip above, he enthuses about what a nice humble self-effacing guy Watson is. Jordan Palmer enthuses that his film study and mental preparation habits are "off the charts". If that's the guy the teammates see, why wouldn't they want to play with him? The fact is, he could be all of those things on the field and in the locker room, AND still possibly be a compulsive predator to women. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Punching Bag Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 3/18/2022 at 3:55 PM, oldmanfan said: He’ll need the extra money to pay off his victims. Not in first year. He is only get $1M salary first year so he will lose less money if suspended at start of season. Browns are abetting his non-crimes. I wonder if he does it again will they be able to cancel their guarantees. They should hire Urban Meyer as a consultant since he knows Ohio (and target) so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan1959 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: All that guaranteed money will come in handy to settle these suits, starting with that $45M signing bonus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Is he gonna wear No. 22? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Female Browns fans don’t like this right now, but eventually he will rub off on them. (I just thought of this all by myself and I am proud of me). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 When it doesn't work for Cleveland....I can't wait to see it unfold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I'm sure the rest of the league is lining up to emulate the Cleveland Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Could still be indicted apparently He’s in berea today taking his physical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Could still be indicted apparently He’s in berea today taking his physical That would be the most Browns thing ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) Browns are saying they knew about this before the trade but I don’t believe them. It’s not a “new” complaint but I doubt they move forward if there is still a possibility that he could go to jail. Edited March 24, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 This dude is a total ***** sicko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Could still be indicted apparently He’s in berea today taking his physical If there is truly no out or protection for the Browns in this contract they are the dumbest franchise in all professional sports history. Either way the draft picks are gone and they aren't getting them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, FilthyBeast said: If there is truly no out or protection for the Browns in this contract they are the dumbest franchise in all professional sports history. Either way the draft picks are gone and they aren't getting them back. I’m sure the cleveland doctors can still find a reason to fail him on his physical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I’m sure the cleveland doctors can still find a reason to fail him on his physical NFL Network said it's reported he passed already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just gross... I'm shocked that he hasn't settled the civil suits just to make it go away. Of course, he has $230 million guaranteed so why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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