JD Mckissic to Bills 2 year, 7 million

[SoCal Deek]

So....we are NOT getting Ertz? This is exhausting! 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

Sunday ticket, watch a lot of football and have watched DC for Gibson and NFC East action.... 

 

Perfect description of his play during his one big year...

 

 

 

There a group of guys here excited about any and every move no matter what it's laughable, this team could sign a **** sandwich right now and you would be excited.  It's embarrassing.

 

Prepare for disappointment. 

Yeah…sure.  Your schtick is all dried up.  No one here gives a rats *** about your opinion.  

[JimmyNoodles]

18 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

He has not returned a punt as a pro and only 23 in college where he was nothing special.  3 pro teams have decided not to let him even try. 

Might be worth a try on KOs only.  Interesting WFT never let him return these either.  No returns since 2019 and only a career 19 YPR average

Seattle had thoughts of using him for punt returns so he's had work in that area.  I think he'll get a look see here.  

[newcam2012]

42 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Like I said. I’m not mad about McKissic. I think he is good for this offense and he will improve our attack. But I want to be better than good, I want to be great. 

Good leads to greatness for others. McKissic adds another dimension to an already potenent offense. He will make others on the offense that much better. Solid move by Beane. He's doing his magic within his budget. 

[In Summary]

5-11, 193 pounds. Ran a 4.58-second 40-yard dash at his Pro Day (~2016).  Some good receiving yards.  Pass blocking praise from PFF.

 

Any guess on how much of the $7 million is guaranteed?

[Brandon]

It seems like a good signing to me.  I had hoped they would sign Cordarelle Patterson as a versatile 3rd down RB,  but McKissic seems like he can fill that role well in his own right.  I can't complain. 

 

Overall,  I think they've done a good job so far finding solid bargain free agents that they can fit within their limited cap space and in the process, increasing the options they have going into the draft. 

[nucci]

Can't believe some of you are flipping out we signed a RB2 to that contract

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm also in this camp. I'd like to believe you can find a guy that can do what McKissic does as a UDFA or on a vet minimum type deal. I have no idea how fast he is, but he looks quite unimpressive in his highlights. He hasn't played in great offenses, but he's also never made an above average impact. I'd rather have 1 star like Jones that can throw a team on his back when it matters most, more than a team full of jobbers that can beat poor teams through depth and fail against superior competition.

We saw it all in the playoffs this year. The Bengals have massive holes and they were able to get tot he show based on performance of their top-end. The Chiefs have also been doing this since before Pat Mahomes got there. The Bills are built a bit too "polite" with a bunch of hard workers that don't possess what it takes to get them where they need to go.

In order for us to win a Super Bowl with the roster as-is, I think we'll have to get pretty lucky. We're good enough to get back to the championship a certain percentage of the time, but teams like the Chiefs, Bucs and Rams have shown what it takes to get the job done, and we're trying to tell them all that they're wrong and we know best. I don't feel great about that.

I understand where you and @GunnerBill are coming from but I disagree. I think you are oversimplifying things and at the same time drawing conclusions from small sample sizes.

 

Chiefs had Mahomes, Tampa had Brady and Rams were quite a unique project. All those teams were good enough overall and were lucky enough to win it all. I don't think any of them showed any universal recipe. 

 

If Chiefs have shown us what it takes why has Mahomes only 1 ring in his 4 full seasons so far?

If Tampa has shown us what it takes why didn't they repeat with basically the same team?

If Rams have shown us what it takes why took it McWay 5 years or so to get there? And why they won't repeat it next year?

Do you want us to follow Bengals model with lot of "massive holes" hoping that our top end talent will get hot enough to win it all (which they didn't btw)?

 

I do think you are not being honest with yourself. Do you believe that our loss to Chiefs was inevitable because they had more "difference makes" or we were "too polite"? I think its nonsense. We went toe to toe with them and lost in brutal fashion mostly because of coaching mistakes. If not for those mistakes, we could be very well celebrating SB with our polite guys and lack of difference makers (and tbh, I guess that Gunner would still keep his theory and claim that Oliver or somebody else was actually 4the difference maker )

 

My point is that there isn't a model or recipe which guarantees success or makes the success significantly more likely. Beane has his style and we were this close to win it all last year.

 

It takes good roster and luck to win a SB. We have former and didn't have latter so far. But it doesn't mean we have to follow somebody's else model.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:

I understand where you and @GunnerBill are coming from but I disagree. I think you are oversimplifying things and at the same time drawing conclusions from small sample sizes.

 

Chiefs had Mahomes, Tampa had Brady and Rams were quite a unique project. All those teams were good enough overall and were lucky enough to win it all. I don't think any of them showed any universal recipe. 

 

If Chiefs have shown us what it takes why has Mahomes only 1 ring in his 4 full seasons so far?

If Tampa has shown us what it takes why didn't they repeat with basically the same team?

If Rams have shown us what it takes why took it McWay 5 years or so to get there? And why they won't repeat it next year?

Do you want us to follow Bengals model with lot of "massive holes" hoping that our top end talent will get hot enough to win it all (which they didn't btw)?

 

I do think you are not being honest with yourself. Do you believe that our loss to Chiefs was inevitable because they had more "difference makes" or we were "too polite"? I think its nonsense. We went toe to toe with them and lost in brutal fashion mostly because of coaching mistakes. If not for those mistakes, we could be very well celebrating SB with our polite guys and lack of difference makers (and tbh, I guess that Gunner would still keep his theory and claim that Oliver or somebody else was actually 4the difference maker )

 

My point is that there isn't a model or recipe which guarantees success or makes the success significantly more likely. Beane has his style and we were this close to win it all last year.

 

It takes good roster and luck to win a SB. We have former and didn't have latter so far. But it doesn't mean we have to follow somebody's else model.

 

I agree there is no single recipe. But the 4 to 5 true difference maker / elite level guys is pretty constant. 

 

And had we got over the line with basically 2 (with Tre out) then we'd have been an exception. But we didn't. 

[Alphadawg7]

As long as we use him, which I think we will, this could be an excellent addition to the team.  He’s a great blocker and major receiving weapon. 
 

To me this also signals the end of Moss in Buffalo.  I think he will get traded at some point.  

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Top 5 isn’t good enough. Let me know when Beane brings us a super bowl victory. 

....................................

[BullBuchanan]

17 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I understand where you and @GunnerBill are coming from but I disagree. I think you are oversimplifying things and at the same time drawing conclusions from small sample sizes.

 

Chiefs had Mahomes, Tampa had Brady and Rams were quite a unique project. All those teams were good enough overall and were lucky enough to win it all. I don't think any of them showed any universal recipe. 

 

If Chiefs have shown us what it takes why has Mahomes only 1 ring in his 4 full seasons so far?

If Tampa has shown us what it takes why didn't they repeat with basically the same team?

If Rams have shown us what it takes why took it McWay 5 years or so to get there? And why they won't repeat it next year?

Do you want us to follow Bengals model with lot of "massive holes" hoping that our top end talent will get hot enough to win it all (which they didn't btw)?

 

I do think you are not being honest with yourself. Do you believe that our loss to Chiefs was inevitable because they had more "difference makes" or we were "too polite"? I think its nonsense. We went toe to toe with them and lost in brutal fashion mostly because of coaching mistakes. If not for those mistakes, we could be very well celebrating SB with our polite guys and lack of difference makers (and tbh, I guess that Gunner would still keep his theory and claim that Oliver or somebody else was actually 4the difference maker )

 

My point is that there isn't a model or recipe which guarantees success or makes the success significantly more likely. Beane has his style and we were this close to win it all last year.

 

It takes good roster and luck to win a SB. We have former and didn't have latter so far. But it doesn't mean we have to follow somebody's else model.

The folks who think we lost the SB because we lost to the Chiefs are making wayyy too many assumptions. It's pretty disrespectful to a Bengals team that beat the Chiefs, who beat us, to think we would have walked all over them. It's even more disrespectful to a Rams team, who beat the Bengals, who beat the Chiefs, who beat us, to say the same.

We weren't  that close to winning the SB this year - at least not in any way that didn't require 2 ghost victories in addition to the Chiefs game.

Our loss to the Chiefs is undoubtedly because we had less difference makers. How could it not be? The game didn't need to come down to a single play. With better players on the defensive side of the ball we could have stopped them any number of times, but we didn't. We didn't have those players, so instead it came down to the smallest of margins. If we played that game 100 times, we definitely win some, but I don't think we're beating them over 50% of the time. They can simply do things we can't, as could the Bengals, as could the Rams.

Now, the Bengals holes were too great for them to overcome, but they still made it a 3 point game with a roster that wasn't anywhere near as complete.

Regarding "why don't the best teams win it every year", see my next post about the Pats dynasty.

Edited March 15, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[Logic]

Add this guy to the list of pissed off Commanders fans. Their collective anger at letting McKissic go should tell us something.

 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

If they were going to go this route, I really wish they'd have gone with Jerick McKinnon.  

[JaCrispy]

7 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

If they were going to go this route, I really wish they'd have gone with Jerick McKinnon.  

That’s who I was hoping for...speed, speed, and more speed, please!

[Protocal69]

4 hours ago, MPL said:

This is how we determine if players are good, right?

I just looked up his "madden speed" myself lol........... I think his catch rating should be higher.

[The Jokeman]

56 minutes ago, nucci said:

Can't believe some of you are flipping out we signed a RB2 to that contract

He's not just a RB2, he's also going to compete with McKenzie for slot WR.

[BruceVilanch]

4 hours ago, Logic said:

 

It's so nice to see "Go to buffalo to chase a ring" and the person is being serious.

[QCity]

Not a fan of this signing. Not a fan of signing any RB that will be 29 before next season. Hopefully he can stay on the field. High-energy player that's great in the locker room.

[BruceVilanch]

1 hour ago, Sabreality said:

Imagine thinking you can project how a rookie RB will do in the NFL.  Every year we see rookies come out of nowhere, while the higher drafted guys struggle to learn the nuances of the NFL and the trust of their coaching staff.  JDM is a proven vet in his role vs a magic bean.  RB's are like young NHL goalies...who the hell knows how they'll develop in the bigs.

Trent Richardson is a great example.

[BillsFanForever19]

A lot of you sound like fans thought bought into the "rumors" of players like Barkley and CMC and are butthurt it isn't them. 

[Turk71]

Undrafted out of college, elusive but slow for his size (4.59 40). He was mostly used as a checkdown dumpoff at the line of scrimmage. This past season  his average depth of target was .4 yards, basically at the line. He was good with the ball in his hands, averaging over 8 yds after the catch. A good steady role player, but definitely not a dangerous weapon. 

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Undrafted out of college, elusive but slow for his size (4.59 40). He was mostly used as a checkdown dumpoff at the line of scrimmage. This past season  his average depth of target was .4 yards, basically at the line. He was good with the ball in his hands, averaging over 8 yds after the catch. A good steady role player, but definitely not a dangerous weapon. 

I suppose it depends on how you define "dangerous weapon".

By definition, I guess it's fair to say that 3rd down backs are rarely that.

On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before, is the third leaving receptions and yardage leader from the running back position over the past three years, and averages over EIGHT YARDS after the catch certainly SEEMS like a bit of a weapon. A guy who can regularly turn a .4 yard catch into a 9 yard gain seems like a bit of a weapon. Just my opinion.

 

Edited March 15, 2022 by Logic

[Turk71]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I suppose it depends on how you define "dangerous weapon".

By definition, I guess it's fair to say that 3rd down backs are rarely that.

On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before, is the third leaving receptions and yardage leader from the running back position over the past three years, and averages over EIGHT YARDS after the catch certainly SEEMS like a bit of a weapon. A guy who can regularly turn a .4 yard catch into a 9 yard gain seems like a bit of a weapon. Just my opinion.

 

Agree. A guy who avgd 8 yards after the catch is definitely a weapon. 

I could have phrased it better but I was referring to his less than dangerous speed. 

 I'm glad they got him, Singletary's receiving was improved but a solid pass catching back is good to have.

[SirAndrew]

I like giving everything a chance to work out. If I’m being honest, I’d rather sign a big impact guy over spending money on guys like Saffold and McKissic. We’re impact guys away from winning the Super Bowl, not role players. Beane is all about team building, and it’s a necessity to build depth through free agency, but I’d go with a cheaper rookie with a similar skill set over someone like McKissic imo. 

[Turk71]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

On the other hand, a guy who was second on his team in catches last year, had 80 receptions the year before

 

Nothing against Mckissic but his volume was merely a result of their bad offense. He caught a ton of passes at the line of scrimmage because of their lame quarterbacking. It's not like he was out running great routes. To his credit he did a good job with those opportunities.

 

[MAJBobby]

Return capability. 
 

 

[Logic]

Sounds like Washington wasn't given the chance to match the Bills' offer. Also sounds like McKissic is another McKenzie when it comes to being a mouthy instigator in the locker room. Maybe it's a Mc thing.


https://theathletic.com/3186834/2022/03/15/commanders-keep-bobby-mccain-but-j-d-mckissic-follows-other-washington-free-agents-out-the-door/

 

“We would love to have J.D. back,” general manager Martin Mayhew told reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine. “They’re all sort of in the same group where they were really important to what we did last year.”

Washington had not made a tangible contract offer to McKissic’s representatives at the point of the combine, even though teams are permitted to sign their players prior to the start of free agency. Interest from other clubs entering free agency’s legal tampering period made it apparent McKissic would have options.

The Commanders allowed the running back to test the market. The Bills pounced with a deal that could reach $8 million. At the finish line, Washington believed it was not given the chance to match Buffalo’s offer, according to a source close to the situation.

......

“They want me here and I want to be here. It’s as simple as it sounds,” McKissic said shortly after Washington’s 7-10 season concluded. “We just got to get something done over the time period.”

Perhaps McKissic’s neck injury weighed on Washington’s decision, or it decided to invest elsewhere. The Athletic has reported for weeks of the Commanders’ interest in adding a running back capable of handling early-down duties with Antonio Gibson.

McKissic caught 123 passes and averaged 4.3 yards per carry in 27 games with Washington. He offered quickness with the ball, and he gave offensive coordinator Scott Turner a moveable chess piece and quarterback Taylor Heinicke a valuable safety valve last season before a neck injury sidelined McKissic for the final six games.

The chatty McKissic was a locker-room favorite, a player Washington’s defenders always cited as a playful instigator during practices. Fans grew to appreciate McKissic’s value, especially during his 80-catch 2020 season.

McKissic’s deal on the surface is more than double the contract he signed in 2020. That’s not a break-the-bank contract.

Teams are at times conflicted with making a concrete offer at the start of free agency over the fear of the player’s agent of shopping those terms elsewhere. The counter is that a player and his representatives may view that ploy as hesitancy and seek safe harbor elsewhere.

In this case, McKissic joined an AFC powerhouse

 

[MAJBobby]

 

[MrEpsYtown]

A funny accidental legend on these boards, McKissic definitely adds a dynamic to the offense and will play well with Singletary.  I have been banging the table for this type of player I wanted McKinnon, but good with McKissic. He can really ball. He doesn’t have the speed of a Breida, but he is a much, much better football player.

[schoolhouserock]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Return capability. 
 

 

That’s a lot of negative numbers.

[MAJBobby]

11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

A funny accidental legend on these boards, McKissic definitely adds a dynamic to the offense and will play well with Singletary.  I have been banging the table for this type of player I wanted McKinnon, but good with McKissic. He can really ball. He doesn’t have the speed of a Breida, but he is a much, much better football player.

I don’t get the McKinnon love from Bills fans. Why?  McKissic has been more productive 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I don’t get the McKinnon love from Bills fans. Why?  McKissic has been more productive 

I just like the speed numbers. I have always liked him. Good with McKissic as well. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

I just like the speed numbers. I have always liked him. Good with McKissic as well. 

Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it 

[MrEpsYtown]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it 

I gotcha. Yeah I think they are essentially the same player, McKinnon more speed, McKissic probably the better runner. But both good receivers. I suppose, since McKissic has been super productive with terrible QBs his stats are a bit inflated from all the check down stuff. That’ my assumption, but thankfully i have not seen many Lions or WTF games. 

[Thurman#1]

 

 

8 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

This is a brutal signing. 

 

29 year old RB with limited athleticism and size.  

 

Caught a bunch of soft dump passes from horrible QBs in a horrible offense.  0.5 average depth of target and 1 broken tackle last year. 

 

This is absolutely horrendous. We are wasting valuable cap space when we have little to spare. 

 

We have the least explosive and most under-sized backfield in the entire league. 

 

Gave JD McKissic $3.5 MM, a Top 20 paid RB. Dude got peanuts his whole career and we drop $7 MM on him when he turns 29, WTF are we even doing?????

 

 

SEA 18 YSCRM (Yards from Scrimmage)

SEA 453 YSCRM

SEA 8 YSCRM

DET 438 YSCRM

WAS 954 YSCRM

WAS 609 YSCRM (in 11 games)

 

Of course he got more money in this contract. Seattle didn't use him. In his 4th year, Detroit used him a bit. Washington finally showed how to use him.

 

He's really productive and seems likely to fit in beautifully here.

Edited March 16, 2022 by Thurman#1

[The Dean]

8 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

This is Brieda 2.0 meh

 

 

7 hours ago, TBBills said:

So 3rd string RB...

 

 

See above.

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

You have to wait for full contract details. People never learn.

 

Plus he's not fantasy, he's a good 3rd down RB. One of the best.

 

This. Exactly this?  Why do some people need to have a hot take and comment without all the necessary information? 

 

7 hours ago, TBBills said:

I don't think people here know what good is they just see a new name and like it.

 

I think many see a name they don't know much about, so hate it. 

 

7 hours ago, Arkady Renko said:

There go my steamy Cordarelle Patterson fantasies. 

 

He was my #1 choice for the offense this year. JD is a pretty good consolation. 

Edited March 16, 2022 by The Dean

[purple haze]

8 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Interesting. I know nothing about him but stats are hardly inspiring.

 

And any signing like this makes signing of impactful DE less likely. 

 

I'll tell you what I think when FA ends

We shall see.  Although it stands to reason if Beane doesn’t sign a DE he might not view what was available as impactful as some fans do.

[GolfandBills]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Ok understand speed. But looking through this thread so many enamored with McKinnon. I just don’t see it 

It’s because he had a decent game in the playoffs against Pittsburgh so it’s fresh to peoples minds.  

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Agree. A guy who avgd 8 yards after the catch is definitely a weapon. 

I could have phrased it better but I was referring to his less than dangerous speed. 

 I'm glad they got him, Singletary's receiving was improved but a solid pass catching back is good to have.

Don't know much about him.  But a nine yard gain following a checkdown pass on third and 15, is not really impressive.  I am curious what the situation stats look like