Edit! McKenzie is back on a 2 year deal worth 4.4 million

[Draconator]

 

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

given the draft failure rate of WRs, I think you're still off base. Using the '100 career' reception marker (a low bar), only ~25% of WRs in the 1st round are successful. So if there's 5-10 guys who *could* be developed to reach that mark (as you yourself say).. and those 5-10 guys are all drafted in the 1st round.. You're going to 1.25 to 2.5 guys reaching that level of success.

 

Braxton Berrios reportedly returned down 5 million a year and believes he'll get much more. 

 

Many of you need to reset your minds on NFL player compensation.

 

Of course, I'm being unfair here as McKenzie still needs 1 more reception to get to 100 for his career. 

You are going based purely off of how we know NFL players turn out... We know there's a pretty good rate of non success

 

It doesn't stop you from drafting said players 

 

And I never said in the first round... Overall there's about 40 to 45 draft eligible wide receivers per year now... Now a good amount of them will not have NFL success based on a lot of factors 

 

But out of those 45 prospects there are 5-10 yearly who have the speed , acceleration, agility, and catching ability to be a gadget type player... Whether they become successful or not isn't the question... But the talent to develop is there 

 

Also because of how many wide receivers have draft eligible grades now ... A few every year with draftable grades go undrafted because how deep the league is 

 

Around 30% of the league is UDFA ... It's shows the depth of talent

 

 

 

 

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

Just now, purple haze said:

This doesn’t take that off the table at all.   Unless Beane focused on this signing to allow pick 25 to be used in a trade.

I agree but yet it lets him fill a potential opening in the passing game w a known product and takes away a hole in the lineup, and let’s them select a BPA, but yes I am hopeful of a WR in round one!

[Malazan]

Just now, Warcodered said:

Honestly it might make it more likely, we didn't go out and sign an expensive guy and WR room still has space for a rookie.

 

I'd suspect they sign a mid-tier veteran (Fuller) or young, promising guy (Braxton Berrios) 

[Norcalbillsfan]

I'd imagine there's a good chance that Dorsey had a hand in this. Pretty much everyone thought he was good as gone, and wasn't utilized that often with Daboll. Dorsey must want to recreate the patriots game with him. Hopefully dorsey has a plan on how to use him and make him worth the contract 

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You are going based purely off of how we know NFL players turn out... We know there's a pretty good rate of non success

 

It doesn't stop you from drafting said players 

 

And I never said in the first round... Overall there's about 40 to 45 draft eligible wide receivers per year now... Now a good amount of them will not have NFL success based on a lot of factors 

 

But out of those 45 prospects there are 5-10 yearly who have the speed , acceleration, agility, and catching ability to be a gadget type player... Whether they become successful or not isn't the question... But the talent to develop is there 

 

Also because of how many wide receivers have draft eligible grades now ... A few every year with draftable grades go undrafted because how deep the league is 

 

Around 30% of the league is UDFA ... It's shows the depth of talent

 

You think the success rate for 100 receptions on a career gets better the lower the round? That's a bold take. 

 

You are saying this rookie would replace McKenzie. That means they need to perform right away. 

 

I think you should take a minute and collect your thoughts and what you're trying to say. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Malazan

[Man with No Name]

love to see it. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

You think the success rate for 100 receptions on a career gets better the lower the round? That's a bold take. 

 

You are saying this rookie would replace McKenzie. That means they need to perform right away. 

 

I think you should take a minute and collect your thoughts and what you're trying to say. 

I think you're taking what I'm saying out of context

 

I never said we should draft a rookie to replace Mckenzie or that a rookie could come in and duplicate it 

 

I said his worth on the open market is overestimated because the talent in that gadget player pool is pretty deep actually 

 

Everybody else seems to understand what I was trying to say

[purple haze]

3 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I'd suspect they sign a mid-tier veteran (Fuller) or young, promising guy (Braxton Berrios) 

I don’t think we see another free agent WR.  McKenzie was that.  Too many excellent WRs in the draft to sign another mid-tier vet at the WR position.  Need a young, cheap option and draft is deep with them.  Also Stevenson is still there to be developed.   

[Shake_My_Head]

45 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

McKenzie is about to replace Beasley and is a much better option 

Well, if you say so.   

 

Beasley's best skill--which seems to be really under-appreciated around here--was finding the holes in zone coverage and keeping the sticks moving.  McKensie's a more dynamic player, but not as accomplished at that kind of outlet / hot-read / drive-extender play, IMO.   

 

It will be up to Dorsey to tweak the playbook a bit to accentuate 'Lil Dirty's strengths and not try to make him Beasley 2.0.

[filthymcnasty08]

Good weapon for our offense!!  Glad they did this.

 

He deserves to have his targets/carries upped.

 

Great start!

[longtimebillsfan]

Now we are covered in the slot!

 

See ya Beasley.   

[SCBills]

This signing makes me think we’re out of the FA market for WR, but will likely take a WR early in the draft.  
 

Diggs-McKenzie-Davis is solid, but ideally McKenzie is WR4/gadget in a pass heavy offense.   
 

If he starts showing out against zone coverage, then we can re-evaluate him as primary slot. 

[Awwufelloff]

McKenzie>>Beasley

[MrEpsYtown]

14 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Maybe, maybe not. If they can use him how they did in the 2nd Patriots game, he'll absolutely be worth it 

I hear ya. But its a projection, and you can get a guy in the draft for a lot cheaper if you are willing to project. He doesn’t move the needle for me. I am excited to see what else they do. 

[Malazan]

2 minutes ago, purple haze said:

I don’t think we see another free agent WR.  McKenzie was that.  Too many excellent WRs in the draft to sign another mid-tier vet at the WR position.  Need a young, cheap option and draft is deep with them.  Also Stevenson is still there to be developed.   

 

I'm assuming they sign somebody in addition to Hodgins/Stevenson and they draft someone. I will say, if they obtain a solid 2nd TE, maybe they forego the mid-tier vet. I'd expect them to have another WR3 type of guy besides Mckenzie regardless of what they do in the draft. 

[nucci]

55 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

He’s had the opportunity for a while now. And oh by the way, he’s been inactive and has had ball security issues. I’m not sure why everyone is so excited about this. It’s pretty meh to me…

because near the end of the season and playoffs he played very well. He's a good player and meh is not a word

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m not kidding - I had a dream last night that he signed. 

 

What was McKenzie wearing?

 

48 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 This is an overpay IF McKenzie doesn’t improve on his numbers from last year. I am guessing the front office and coaches met to discuss what his role will be. McKenzie will get his shot since Beasley won’t be on the roster most likely. My concern with McKenzie has always been durability due to extra touches. 

 

As for cost, the devil is in the details. As for durability he is tiny but I don't recall McKenzie ever taking a big hit. He seems to protect himself really well.

 

45 minutes ago, Putin said:

So what else does MaCKenzie brings to the table besides the crossing routs against man coverage ?? 

 

This falls under the "If someone has to explain it to you, you'll never understand anyways."

 

33 minutes ago, Magox said:

With Emmanuel and Beasley most likely gone that still means the Bills have to find another two WR’s.   The draft is deep with receivers, I think they pick up both there.

 

Or as others have suggested, another tight end to employ in 2 TE sets.

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, Sierra Foothills said:

This falls under the "If someone has to explain it to you, you'll never understand anyways."

 

More he doesn't want to understand. Look at his posting history.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

because near the end of the season and playoffs he played very well. He's a good player and meh is not a word

At the end of the year, Singletary played well and so did Bates. Are yoy willing to bet that is sustainable? I’m not. Not even close. I’m more inclined to think their true selves are somewhere between “meh” and average. 

[purple haze]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I'm assuming they sign somebody in addition to Hodgins/Stevenson and they draft someone. I will say, if they obtain a solid 2nd TE, maybe they forego the mid-tier vet. I'd expect them to have another WR3 type of guy besides Mckenzie regardless of what they do in the draft. 

We’ll see in this next month.   It’s possible, but they have other needs than to spend on another mid-tier WR.  I’m sure we’ll see camp body type WRs.  Solid vets who fans love in pre-season who wind up released in August.

[Sierra Foothills]

45 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

He is nowhere close to Hill. McKenzie and his 4.42 speed at his size is really not a big deal. Beasley ran a 4.49. He is shifty, but McKenzie ain’t anywhere close to Hill. I think he has a role, but he isn’t a game breaker. I think this is an overpay. 

 

Stopwatch speed aside, McKenzie is nowhere close to Hill. On the other hand Beasley is nowhere close to McKenzie.

 

McKenzie's speed and quickness were on constant display even on the fake jet sweeps. Maybe Beasley has a resurgence but last year he was basically falling down to avoid hits after catching the ball. It was honestly one of the most pathetic run after the catch seasons I can ever recall by a receiver.

 

Beasley is not the same player he was two years ago. Maybe he regains his mojo, maybe he doesn't.

[Ralonzo]

Ok, backup QB is squared away, now let’s get a slot receiver!

[Sharky7337]

This screams we couldn't afford to upgrade receiving in FA

[Chicken Boo]

Hopefully the Bills, ya know, use his talents this time around.  Christ!

[filthymcnasty08]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

This screams we couldn't afford Christian Kirk in FA

 

fixed.

[whorlnut]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

This screams we couldn't afford to upgrade receiving in FA

Agree. Hopefully it also doesn’t mean that we don’t try to upgrade in the draft. 

[Sierra Foothills]

7 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

More he doesn't want to understand. Look at his posting history.

 

Anyone who has a handle like his is only here to troll.

 

Sadly there's always detritus to wade through around here.

[Mister Defense]

Very good news; the first of hopefully many good things to come this off season.   The fastest Bill,  a player who has been under utilized and now till get the ball more. Mckenzie will become a much more integral part of this offense now.

 

You can't lose McKenzie and Beasley, and I prefer they bring back Beasley too. 

 

A good and reasonable contract.  Good leadership and locker room presence, another important trait.

 

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by Mister Defense

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

8 freaking MILLION That’s a lot of candy !!!!

 

Never run with the first reported contract number. My guess is the base is decent, but with incentives to reach "up to 8 million". 

[Brandon]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Agree. Hopefully it also doesn’t mean that we don’t try to upgrade in the draft. 

 

I doubt it changes their draft plans.  They were always likely to sign a bargain veteran to bridge the gap until the rookie was ready to take over. 

[Process]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

McKenzie has paid his dues as a Buffalo Bill.

 

Time to see what he can do in the slot full time.

 

Plus Josh loves him, which is most important.

 

Diggs, Davis, Knox, Singletary and McKenzie give the Bills top of the line weaponry and there aren't too many footballs to go around outside of those five.

 

And the oldest one is Diggs at 29. Beautiful 

That is not top of the line weaponry. Once you get to the playoffs that group of skill players is very average. 

 

I love the signing but people need to stop overrating our skill position players. 

 

Still need another playmaker on offense badly, this should not stop us from taking a WR in the first two rounds. 

[Malazan]

Just now, Process said:

That is not top of the line weaponry. Once you get to the playoffs that group of skill players is very average. 

 

I love the signing but people need to stop overrating our skill position players. 

 

Still need another playmaker on offense badly, this should not stop us from taking a WR in the first two rounds. 

 

Good news. I've checked with my sources and McKenzie's contract does not have any stipulation saying that the Bills can not sign or draft any more wide receivers. 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Process said:

That is not top of the line weaponry. Once you get to the playoffs that group of skill players is very average. 

 

I love the signing but people need to stop overrating our skill position players. 

 

Still need another playmaker on offense badly, this should not stop us from taking a WR in the first two rounds. 

This signing makes drafting a WR less of a priority. McKenzie may very well have a bigger roll in the Bills pass offense. I think he is up to the task. His speed can be utilized in various ways and Allen and him seem to be a nice combo. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to be T. Hill. However, he can be a solid contributor and make others better. I like the signing. 

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

That is not top of the line weaponry. Once you get to the playoffs that group of skill players is very average. 

 

I love the signing but people need to stop overrating our skill position players. 

 

Still need another playmaker on offense badly, this should not stop us from taking a WR in the first two rounds. 

 

Yeah, 12 TD's in two playoff games is pretty f-n average, isn't it?

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

 This is an overpay IF McKenzie doesn’t improve on his numbers from last year. I am guessing the front office and coaches met to discuss what his role will be. McKenzie will get his shot since Beasley won’t be on the roster most likely. My concern with McKenzie has always been durability due to extra touches. 

 

Have that partner of his put some meat on his bones.

[CSBill]

Meaning Beasley is gone, and McK becomes the full-time slot guy.

[TheBeaneBandit]

20 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

At the end of the year, Singletary played well and so did Bates. Are yoy willing to bet that is sustainable? I’m not. Not even close. I’m more inclined to think their true selves are somewhere between “meh” and average. 

This happens when guys come in late in the season and the rest of the league is beat to hell.

[Process]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

Yeah, 12 TD's in two playoff games is pretty f-n average, isn't it?

You think having the best QB in the league has anything to do with that? Lol.

[17islongenough]

Looks like Beasley is gone.   So they save about 3 million and Stevenson will replace Mckenzie