YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Great read on a player who is likely on the Bills radar early in the draft 4 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Can you imagine 17 throwing bombs to this kid? If he's there at 25, I think ya gotta do it. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. 2 1 5 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. That was 20 years ago - ACL recovery has come a long way 4 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: That was 20 years ago - ACL recovery has come a long way Maybe so. I'd rather we get a sure thing that can start on Day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I don't know how I feel about this. There are going to be a lot of really good, 100% healthy WRs available at 25. Why take this chance? 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That was 20 years ago - ACL recovery has come a long way Not to mention McGahee was pretty good. Him hating Buffalo didn’t have anything to do with his knees. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Easy keys to Bills success IMO (alone): No expensive FAs over the age of 30. No FAs with just one great contract year of production to show you. No first round draftees, especially guys who rely on speed and twitch, with blown out knees, and who won't be ready to show you anything before draft day. No first round draftees with known chronic injuries or chronic health issues. No first round draftees you plan on playing out of their natural position. No first round draftees who have never been in shape or have a difficult time staying in football shape. 2 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Not to mention McGahee was pretty good. Him hating Buffalo didn’t have anything to do with his knees. McGahee was a terrible choice for a team starved of talent and the knowledge that he wouldn't play in his rookie year. TD out smarted himself. Edited March 9, 2022 by Fan in Chicago 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 My dream would be signing a vet slot guy - Barrios/Crowder/Juju in FA or trade for Lockett and then also draft a player like this. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Not to mention McGahee was pretty good. Him hating Buffalo didn’t have anything to do with his knees. McGahee didn't even know it was 4th down and cost us the Cheats game at the Razor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. Didnt Willis actually go on to be a pretty good player even if it wasnt for us? Are we cutting Tre to? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. Willis tore his acl pcl and mcl. This guy had just a clean acl injury 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. I don't think that's a fair comparison. McGahee's injury was much more severe. His knee was bent backwards and he tore his ACL, PCL, and MCL. Even considering that, he missed one season and was very productive the next season with over 1,100 yards rushing. Ligament repair surgeries have improved a lot over the past 20 years and recovery time has been shortened. Edited March 9, 2022 by Allen2Diggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Didnt Willis actually go on to be a pretty good player even if it wasnt for us? Are we cutting Tre to? I would say 41st all time in rushing yards is a pretty good career. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 The Bills and Josh are so good, and so close right now...If they go WR early it's looking like there will be a few options. I don't know...I think the chances are likely 2022 will be his worst NFL Season due to the injury timeframe, Rookie, etc... The Bills would not need it to be his best season, don't get me wrong. But if they pick him at #25...with this team and what they want to do...it needs to be pretty good. It's a bit to risky for me...But I'm not McBeane... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 31 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: McGahee was a terrible choice for a team starved of talent and the knowledge that he wouldn't play in his rookie year. TD out smarted himself. Maybe TD thought McGahee was a LB. Could have avoided the Keith Ellison, Koy Wire and John Digregorio experiments 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: My dream would be signing a vet slot guy - Barrios/Crowder/Juju in FA or trade for Lockett and then also draft a player like this. Kirk? Or too much $? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsOrDie Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 52 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Maybe so. I'd rather we get a sure thing that can start on Day 1. That does not exist at 25 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 What I got out of this was the following: - He has no injury history - It was a clean ACL tear which is about as good as you could hope for - That he is ahead of schedule and recovering really well - J Williams thinks he can be ready within 5 -7 months before training camp - History says that if you try to recover to quickly before 9 months that the chances of retearing the ACL goes up by 700% - That typically for athletes below the age of 23 (He is 20), that typically reinjure the ACL 23% of the time - That even though J Williams thinks he will be a full go before training camp - The Bills may want to put him on the reserve list and that he returns sometime around halfway during the season - That he is a good risk to take if you believe in the player 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Give me a guard in the first who can play right away. I really don't want someone who is injured. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Kirk? Or too much $? I like Kirk in the slot and as a downfield threat and as a KR, I do think he’s not as good of a YAC guy and will be $$$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: My dream would be signing a vet slot guy - Barrios/Crowder/Juju in FA or trade for Lockett and then also draft a player like this. Agree....sign Berrios cheap and roll the dice on Jameson @ 25. You're not obligated to play him until late this season allowing the knee to fully heel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 "According to the Journal of Orthopedic & Sports Physical Therapy, athletes who return to sport prior to nine months following an ACL injury are at a seven-fold greater risk to suffer a future ACL tear." If Williams is there at 25.........he is very likely the most potentially impactful player left on the board based on what the players have actually put on tape.........IMO he was the best player on the field in the Alabama v Georgia games.........which speaks volumes. But if they take him we should be prepared for the possibility that he doesn't play in 2022. Because even when he is ready to play he is a raw talent at the WR position and without 100% of his speed back yet he may not be better than the more refined options they may have at the position. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Magox said: What I got out of this was the following: ... - History says that if you try to recover to quickly before 9 months that the chances of retearing the ACL goes up by 700% - That typically for athletes below the age of 23 (He is 20), that typically reinjure the ACL 23% of the time ... What the FUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEE?! Thank yo, that's a no from me. Magox, thank you for the Cliff notes. Edited March 9, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magox said: What I got out of this was the following: - He has no injury history - It was a clean ACL tear which is about as good as you could hope for - That he is ahead of schedule and recovering really well - J Williams thinks he can be ready within 5 -7 months before training camp - History says that if you try to recover to quickly before 9 months that the chances of retearing the ACL goes up by 700% - That typically for athletes below the age of 23 (He is 20), that typically reinjure the ACL 23% of the time - That even though J Williams thinks he will be a full go before training camp - The Bills may want to put him on the reserve list and that he returns sometime around halfway during the season - That he is a good risk to take if you believe in the player I don’t think there is much question that the Bills would slow play it and not rush him back. So I’m not worried about the 700% if he returns early. The 77% chance of no re-tear is decent. Not great. But a lot of players tear ACL in college and never again, and vice versa. Edited March 9, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, dpberr said: Easy keys to Bills success IMO (alone): No expensive FAs over the age of 30. No FAs with just one great contract year of production to show you. No first round draftees, especially guys who rely on speed and twitch, with blown out knees, and who won't be ready to show you anything before draft day. No first round draftees with known chronic injuries or chronic health issues. No first round draftees you plan on playing out of their natural position. No first round draftees who have never been in shape or have a difficult time staying in football shape. Surrounding your anti Williams take with a bunch of other takes that 97% of fans would agree with… crafty 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, TheBillsOrDie said: That does not exist at 25 Really doesn't exist anywhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. You might as well say Mickey Mantle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Didn't Thurman hurt his knee in college which caused his draft stock to fall? I think he turned out ok. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 Did Jeffrey Simmons miss his whole rookie season or did he play at some point? That move really paid off for the titans and they seem to really take risks in the 1st - injury and character 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Kangaxx said: Give me a guard in the first who can play right away. I really don't want someone who is injured. IF, there is a guard there worth taking. We really have to see how the board falls, there are several good options at multiple positions, just depends on who it is, but we can’t be locked into a specific position. A guard in the first has to be more than a day 1 starter, they need to be someone who could potential play center down the road. There are just so many good wr’s this draft, that I’d prefer to stay away from Williams. Hopefully he is selected before us, helping to push one more player down the board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: That was 20 years ago - ACL recovery has come a long way AND, the McGahee injury was much more severe. I seem to recall that 20 years before THAT they might have considered amputation! My son tore his ACL and MCL about 10 years ago and had surgery on June 24 (same day Tiger Woods had his ACL surgery). He played in a Thanksgiving high school basketball tournament about 5 months later. Not 100% certainly, but he was out there. What they can do now is AMAZING! The big problem with McGahee was not the knee or the player, it was the person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: Willis tore his acl pcl and mcl. This guy had just a clean acl injury Yeah, that knee was shredded and he still had a decent career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. The injuries were very different. Todd McShay currently has us taking Jameson Willians in his mock 3.0. Edited March 9, 2022 by buffaloboyinATL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 If Olave and Williams are both there at 25? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: If Olave and Williams are both there at 25? I take Olave, though I’d be thrilled if either we’re there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Magox said: What I got out of this was the following: - He has no injury history - It was a clean ACL tear which is about as good as you could hope for - That he is ahead of schedule and recovering really well - J Williams thinks he can be ready within 5 -7 months before training camp - History says that if you try to recover to quickly before 9 months that the chances of retearing the ACL goes up by 700% - That typically for athletes below the age of 23 (He is 20), that typically reinjure the ACL 23% of the time - That even though J Williams thinks he will be a full go before training camp - The Bills may want to put him on the reserve list and that he returns sometime around halfway during the season - That he is a good risk to take if you believe in the player I doubt he is available at 25 but if he is you have to consider him, he is a great player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Willis McGahee redux. No thanks. Willis had a great career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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