Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Just read this article that the NFL is considering changing rules to make punts safer, the article though doesn't mention anything specific as to what they plan to do or even consider. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/changes-could-be-coming-to-the-punt-in-the-nfl/ar-AAUpoj8?li=BBnbfcL Edited February 28, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Should just be able to throw the ball as a punt Funny people are down voting this like its a real suggestion... 🤣 Edited March 1, 2022 by TBBills 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, TBBills said: Should just be able to throw the ball as a punt That's what we used to do as kids! LOL Edited February 28, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 4 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, TBBills said: Should just be able to throw the ball as a punt but then a missed pass from punt formation wouldnt be an incompletion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Just read this article that the NFL is considering changing rules to make puns safer, the article though doesn't mention anything specific as to what they plan to do or even consider. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/changes-could-be-coming-to-the-punt-in-the-nfl/ar-AAUpoj8?li=BBnbfcL What are they going to do about dad jokes is my question? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 This rule change has no impact on us 🤣 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 There has never been a time where STs has mattered less. It’s almost been completely phased out. That’s why the game day roster decisions are so frustrating. If you can ONLY play ST…unless you are a kicker/punter or LS, you don’t need to be on the team. STs just means almost nothing at this point. The plays are almost always either meaningless or penalties. Stop dressing guys that only play ST 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There has never been a time where STs has mattered less. It’s almost been completely phased out. That’s why the game day roster decisions are so frustrating. If you can ONLY play ST…unless you are a kicker/punter or LS, you don’t need to be on the team. STs just means almost nothing at this point. The plays are almost always either meaningless or penalties. Stop dressing guys that only play ST This is all well and good in a theoretical context, but we lost 2 games this year largely due to special teams blunders. It's not "nothing" when games continue to be decided by those plays Special teams plays are "plays" just like offense & defense. You want your best guys on the field in those circumstances, and you want them specially trained to perform those specific duties (which in many cases are very different than their normal Off/Def positions and roles) 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That's what we used to as kids! LOL Especially after the time a shanked punt took out Mr. Leibody's second story window. 😳 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, The Wiz said: What are they going to do about dad jokes is my question? Corrected! 34 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There has never been a time where STs has mattered less. It’s almost been completely phased out. That’s why the game day roster decisions are so frustrating. If you can ONLY play ST…unless you are a kicker/punter or LS, you don’t need to be on the team. STs just means almost nothing at this point. The plays are almost always either meaningless or penalties. Stop dressing guys that only play ST If all 32 teams in the league agreed to place the same identical roster decisions as far as keeping or dressing ST "experts" what you're saying would work great. But as soon as one team ignores the agreement, they may steal a couple of games. BTW ask Green Bay how that worked out. Is a certain irony too that Bojo is their punter as most everyone here was pining for him. Edited February 28, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: This rule change has no impact on us 🤣 Those are my favorite games! 😋 Unfortunately, punting turned out to be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS……… for us……….in the opener vs the Steelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I guess we'll need a uniform change to really make a difference: 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 No rule change will help Haack or the ST players after one of his shanks. I don't know what the Bills are waiting for, he should have been cut last month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, Augie said: Those are my favorite games! 😋 Unfortunately, punting turned out to be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS……… for us……….in the opener vs the Steelers. .....and almost cost us in week 17....Haack put on a show that day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Just read this article that the NFL is considering changing rules to make punts safer, the article though doesn't mention anything specific as to what they plan to do or even consider. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/changes-could-be-coming-to-the-punt-in-the-nfl/ar-AAUpoj8?li=BBnbfcL Is this a solution in search of a problem? Are punts really that much more dangerous than plays from scrimmage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, mannc said: Is this a solution in search of a problem? Are punts really that much more dangerous than plays from scrimmage? According to the article yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Banning Bodork will make punts safer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Nice! No rush on Haack— let him take 4 steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) What is so dangerous about punting? Sounds like a solution looking for a problem…, shakes head and walks away…, I’m predicting that in twenty years, the NFL will be playing “tag” football, Meanwhile the Isle of Mann TT race sees deaths nearly every year and well over 200 deaths since it’s inception in 1907 iirc, America is getting whussier buy the year, Edited March 1, 2022 by Don Otreply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 6 hours ago, TBBills said: Should just be able to throw the ball as a punt They keep making it harder to explain why it’s called football 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: They keep making it harder to explain why it’s called football I was beginning to wonder if someone was going to bring up the name of the game. slow evolution into Rugby. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Here is another article https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/02/28/nfl-special-teams-coaches-punts-safer/ Basically they want to do the same thing they did with kickoffs...limit how many returns there are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Here is another article https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/02/28/nfl-special-teams-coaches-punts-safer/ Basically they want to do the same thing they did with kickoffs...limit how many returns there are. That's not quite what I got from the article. All that was said is they want to go through the same process they used to make kickoffs safer by having a similar committee look at all aspects of the play. That doesn't necessarily mean less returns although that probably will be proposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 11 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There has never been a time where STs has mattered less. It’s almost been completely phased out. That’s why the game day roster decisions are so frustrating. If you can ONLY play ST…unless you are a kicker/punter or LS, you don’t need to be on the team. STs just means almost nothing at this point. The plays are almost always either meaningless or penalties. Stop dressing guys that only play ST You're totally right, and yet McDermott continues to make ST a priority! Or at least he clearly values it as an important fact of the game...which is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You're totally right, and yet McDermott continues to make ST a priority! Or at least he clearly values it as an important fact of the game...which is stupid. And yet with all that emphasis and extra roster spots for gunners and all, and we kick it through the end zone with 13 seconds left? .... Oh, never mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Just read this article that the NFL is considering changing rules to make punts safer, the article though doesn't mention anything specific as to what they plan to do or even consider. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/changes-could-be-coming-to-the-punt-in-the-nfl/ar-AAUpoj8?li=BBnbfcL Safe? Let the QB throw the ball as far as he can or to a designated spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 52 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Safe? Let the QB throw the ball as far as he can or to a designated spot. How about on a punt, defense is required to count to '5 Mississippi' by ones before crossing the line of scrimmage? * First NE game, Patriots yell "1 Miss. 2 Miss. 3 Miss. 4 Miss. 5 Miss." Opposing coach throws challenge flag, but Belichick argues 'Miss.' is an accepted abbreviation of Mississippi. Officiating crew agrees. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That's not quite what I got from the article. All that was said is they want to go through the same process they used to make kickoffs safer by having a similar committee look at all aspects of the play. That doesn't necessarily mean less returns although that probably will be proposed. Honestly I don't see how that could happen...unless maybe give the receiving team the option to take an automatic 10 yards from where they field the ball versus having to return it and that would have to be decided prior to the kick so if they are taking the 10 yards there would be no need to run downfield or block anyone except for before the kick. Edited March 1, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) The CFL rule seems good to me. No fair catch allowed. No coverage allowed within 5 yards of the returner. Give the returner a chance to see the coverage and force it to slow down. Gone is the play where the returner gets blown up just as he made the catch. Gone is the need to judge how much time and space he needs to protect himself as he is concentrating on catching the ball. Should be more yards to be gained on returns and less benefit to punting. All of a sudden, playmaking returners become more valuable. Or the safe play becomes to make the catch and get to the ground. I might add that the returning team can no longer double team the gunner. Let them beat the block and get down field to the 5 yard away position, ready to make a play on the returner. Edited March 1, 2022 by JESSEFEFFER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: You're totally right, and yet McDermott continues to make ST a priority! Or at least he clearly values it as an important fact of the game...which is stupid. I mean we tried to improve the punting situation, haack was just really bad. Bass improved a lot though. FG kicking was a strength this year for the first time in a while. For punts buffalo had the 3rd fewest returns allowed with 17, and yards per return was 5.6 which was last in the league. Function of fewer punts most likely. But Haack was also a shank machine, awful at touchbacks, and was never a big leg punter either. 37.6 net average, 1 blocked, 7 touchbacks. I honestly don't remember even 1 single "wow" punt. The kickoff piece is hard to fully quantify since the stats are relatively vague - 99 kickoffs and 54 touchbacks with only an average return of 18 yards on the returns (3rd in the NFL). Basically to me - it rarely did harm to buffalo to kick it short and high, and occasionally they made plays to cost other teams some starting field position. Return wise - buffalo returned 37 punts which was 3rd in the NFL, and were 14th in PR yardage (8.5 yards per return). Likely a function of forcing a fair amount of punts. Buffalo was 8th in yards per return on kickoffs, and returned 33 which was good for 18th. They only gave up 52 total scores + 17 game kickoffs so that's only on 69 attempts. Outside of Haack's punting its not something that another team can point to as a weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 17 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That's what we used to do as kids! LOL Wusses … but so true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: Honestly I don't see how that could happen...unless maybe give the receiving team the option to take an automatic 10 yards from where they field the ball versus having to return it and that would have to be decided prior to the kick so if they are taking the 10 yards there would be no need to run downfield or block anyone except for before the kick. Then punters would change their punt projectory and value distance over hang time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Then punters would change their punt projectory and value distance over hang time. That would be balanced out by having to block a full on punt block attempt tho. Maybe give them 5 yards since I think the average return is around 8 or 9 yards... That would balance out the extra advantage the return team has where there could send an all out punt block since they don't need to worry about the gunners. So receiving team gets 5 yards, but gets to send a punt block attempt with impunity since there is no return. Kicking team doesn't have to try and cover the kick but has to ensure they block an all out attempt at a punt block. Not sure the risk/reward is balanced enough tho. Edited March 1, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just eliminate the punt and give everybody a trophy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 8:11 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: They keep making it harder to explain why it’s called football It’s really Throwball, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 2, 2022 Share Posted March 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: It’s really Throwball, It's really Joshball, prove me wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 On 2/28/2022 at 4:19 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Just read this article that the NFL is considering changing rules to make punts safer, the article though doesn't mention anything specific as to what they plan to do or even consider. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/changes-could-be-coming-to-the-punt-in-the-nfl/ar-AAUpoj8?li=BBnbfcL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 punting on first down eliminates a lot of risk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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