YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 McDermott chasing another away. 4 2 21 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 He couldn't take anymore Edmunds debates on TBD I heard. 1 1 16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, TBBills said: He couldn't take anymore Edmunds debates on TBD I heard. 1st edmunds joke in! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just don't interview Brian Flores for the position. If you hire someone else there's a good chance you end up on Judge Judy. 2 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: Just don't interview Brian Flores for the position. If you hire someone else there's a good chance you end up on Judge Judy. Sounds like we will end up needing a safeties coach. Which made me conjure up memories of Ed reed coaching in Buffalo under Rex that one year. Seems like it didn’t actually happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 This gives me hope for Edmunds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Dropping like flies there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Is this code for "Hey Bob, WTF with the middle of the field being as open as the Great Plains?" 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, DJB said: This gives me hope for Edmunds Nothing gives me hope for Edmunds...😉 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HOUSE Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 I hardly knew him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Coach Bobby 2 1 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Just a note that Babich is not that old by coaching standards. He's 60, which is 2-3 years younger than Leslie Frazier He's one of the original coaches that McDermott hired in 2017 He was a defensive coordinator with the Bears from 2007-2009 under Ron Rivera, which may be his connection to McDermott It's not impossible that Heath Farwell's lateral move to the Jaguars and now Babich retiring may be indications of where McD perceives responsibility for 13 seconds and "execution" to lie. It would be a typical "McDermott" move to suggest to coaches they don't wish to retain, that they "explore other opportunities" and give them some time to do so vs. firing them (that's what Reid did with McDermott when he fired him as DC) On the other hand, moving his son to LB coach doesn't necessarily fit with that idea Bobby Babich has more ties to McD in that he coached under him as a defensive assistant for 2 years in Carolina He's spent 4 years as Safeties coach - it's possible that he wanted to broaden his experience, and his dad retired to give him an opening https://theathletic.com/807732/2019/02/08/the-father-and-son-behind-the-bills-defense-how-bob-and-bobby-babichs-coaching-paths-converged-in-buffalo/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Enjoy your retirement Bob, and thanks for bringing Jordan Poyer to Buffalo! edit: oops, I take that thanks back. It was your son Bobby Babich that told McDermott about Jordan poyer… lol https://www.buffalobills.com/news/familiarity-with-poyer-landed-bills-a-free-agent-steal-19408157 Edited February 20, 2022 by BillsFan4 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Just don't interview Brian Flores for the position. If you hire someone else there's a good chance you end up on Judge Judy. Hand over the 'finder's fee'. 🤨 * 😁 47 minutes ago, DJB said: This gives me hope for Edmunds 21 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Nothing gives me hope for Edmunds...😉 As an LB coach? * See if that Edwards guy will consider the job. Edited February 19, 2022 by Ridgewaycynic2013 a LB coach? an LB coach? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just a note that Babich is not that old by coaching standards He's 60, which is 2-3 years younger than Leslie Frazier He's one of the original coaches that McDermott hired in 2017 He was a defensive coordinator with the Bears from 2007-2009 under Ron Rivera, which may be his connection to McDermott It's not impossible that Heath Farwell's lateral move to the Jaguars and now Babich retiring may be indications of where McD perceives responsibility for 13 seconds and "execution" to lie. It would be a typical "McDermott" move to suggest to coaches they don't wish to retain, that they "explore other opportunities" and give them some time to do so vs. firing them (that's what Reid did with McDermott when he fired him as DC) On the other hand, moving his son to LB coach doesn't necessarily fit with that idea That is where I am at as well. Stranger things have happened. I was hoping that maybe replacing Babich could really help Edmunds....maybe? But hard to imagine if his replacement is in house AND his son. I find that hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Wow that was a surprise. Huge loss for the Bills. A lot of change on the coaching staff and that worries me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Just now, wppete said: Wow that was a surprise. Huge loss for the Bills. A lot of change on the coaching staff and that worries me. How do you know it's a "huge loss for the Bills"? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just a note that Babich is not that old by coaching standards He's 60, which is 2-3 years younger than Leslie Frazier He's one of the original coaches that McDermott hired in 2017 He was a defensive coordinator with the Bears from 2007-2009 under Ron Rivera, which may be his connection to McDermott It's not impossible that Heath Farwell's lateral move to the Jaguars and now Babich retiring may be indications of where McD perceives responsibility for 13 seconds and "execution" to lie. It would be a typical "McDermott" move to suggest to coaches they don't wish to retain, that they "explore other opportunities" and give them some time to do so vs. firing them (that's what Reid did with McDermott when he fired him as DC) On the other hand, moving his son to LB coach doesn't necessarily fit with that idea Well Junior is young(er) and has a good amount of coaching life ahead of him. Dad retires figuring he doesn't have it anymore and junior takes his place with dad's blessing. 3 minutes ago, Mango said: That is where I am at as well. Stranger things have happened. I was hoping that maybe replacing Babich could really help Edmunds....maybe? But hard to imagine if his replacement is in house AND his son. I find that hard to believe. Can anyone really help Edumnds? He's just not a MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Can anyone really help Edumnds? He's just not a MLB. You know what I'm saying. If Edmunds were any good the Bills defense would allow negative yards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Just a note that Babich is not that old by coaching standards. He's 60, which is 2-3 years younger than Leslie Frazier He's one of the original coaches that McDermott hired in 2017 He was a defensive coordinator with the Bears from 2007-2009 under Ron Rivera, which may be his connection to McDermott It's not impossible that Heath Farwell's lateral move to the Jaguars and now Babich retiring may be indications of where McD perceives responsibility for 13 seconds and "execution" to lie. It would be a typical "McDermott" move to suggest to coaches they don't wish to retain, that they "explore other opportunities" and give them some time to do so vs. firing them (that's what Reid did with McDermott when he fired him as DC) On the other hand, moving his son to LB coach doesn't necessarily fit with that idea Bobby Babich has more ties to McD in that he coached under him as a defensive assistant for 2 years in Carolina He's spent 4 years as Safeties coach - it's possible that he wanted to broaden his experience, and his dad retired to give him an opening https://theathletic.com/807732/2019/02/08/the-father-and-son-behind-the-bills-defense-how-bob-and-bobby-babichs-coaching-paths-converged-in-buffalo/ If McD is cleaning house by letting these coaches go "to explore other opportunities" over the 13 seconds than that's pretty alarming. As a DC by training, if he can't, after 2 TO's, figure out what Defense is appropriate in that scenario, then these issues with his decision making will never go away. Position coaches didn't screw that up... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Buffalo Bills linebackers coach Bob Babich, a former North Dakota State head coach, Jaguars and Bears defensive coordinator, is retiring, according to a league source. Strong internal candidate to replace him is his son, Bills safeties coach Bobby Babich. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Can we just find a way to get Frazier out? Go get a guy with a few new ideas and see if we can’t be even better on defense? I know the stats showed we were great but that was misleading. We have elite talent on that side of the ball IMO. I think the scheme is actually holding us back. I think a more aggressive DC could turn this group of players into an all time dominant defense. We are going through a lot of house cleaning here with the coaching staff…just go all the way and get Frazier out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, wppete said: Wow that was a surprise. Huge loss for the Bills. A lot of change on the coaching staff and that worries me. Wonder if he was holding out for promotion to DC (under assumption Frazier would be moving elsewhere). With Frazier still here, maybe he's just had enough. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Shame. He was a solid position coach. Was Urlacher’s coach and he introduced him at the hall of fame if I recall correctly. Edited February 19, 2022 by TheProcess 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 The defensive concepts/approach is McDermott's, not Frazier's, so if Frazier leaves the defense really will not change that much. When the head coach is a defensive coach it is important/critical that: He and the DC are in alignment on scheme/concepts/approach The assistant coaches are excellent teachers (this is true in general), they need to know how to teach the schemes/concepts The continuity on the Bills' staff over the past 3-4 years is extremely rare so this assistant churn is normal. They have a good track record of finding assistants and being on the BIlls' coaching staff right now is very attractive. They will find good assistants. Exhibit A for that is the OL coach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If McD is cleaning house by letting these coaches go "to explore other opportunities" over the 13 seconds than that's pretty alarming. As a DC by training, if he can't, after 2 TO's, figure out what Defense is appropriate in that scenario, then these issues with his decision making will never go away. Position coaches didn't screw that up... Maybe they did. McDermott put blame on "execution" for the end of the game. If he determined that the execution problem was actually Bass not getting the call to squib the kick because Farwell didn't prepare his lines of communication properly, that's on him. If the linebackers were supposed to have different roles or be somewhere else in the play that was actually called, and after looking into it, it's partly or all due to prep during the week, that could be on the LB assistant coach. I'm not saying it is - I don't know that it is. On the other hand, you don't know that it isn't, either, and you're saying it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Allen gets his coaches promotions, Edmunds sends his out to pasture. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Ya know this is interesting for sure. All of our LBs could be wildly inconsistent at times. Edmunds struggles are well documented but Milano still has plenty of ‘dude, what are you doing?’ moments. Fact baby Babs is moving from Safeties to LB makes you wonder if we may see the overall coverage of our backers improve (Milano is already an elite coverage LB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, TBBills said: He couldn't take anymore Edmunds debates on TBD I heard. If that were so, I doubt that they would replace him with his son! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Ya know this is interesting for sure. All of our LBs could be wildly inconsistent at times. Edmunds struggles are well documented but Milano still has plenty of ‘dude, what are you doing?’ moments. Fact baby Babs is moving from Safeties to LB makes you wonder if we may see the overall coverage of our backers improve (Milano is already an elite coverage LB). The dude what are you doing moment to me in the afc divisional was waking away from Kelce before he caught the ball to put them in FG ran range. Maybe he did as he was told. I don’t know. But it was weird. Edited February 19, 2022 by SectionC3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 With Junior coaching them, the Bills' linebackers should be good dropping unto coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: McDermott chasing another away. Yup, that McDermott is a bad man…, but young Bobby seams to like him… 😁👍 1 hour ago, wppete said: Wow that was a surprise. Huge loss for the Bills. A lot of change on the coaching staff and that worries me. It shouldn’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Can we just find a way to get Frazier out? Go get a guy with a few new ideas and see if we can’t be even better on defense? I know the stats showed we were great but that was misleading. We have elite talent on that side of the ball IMO. I think the scheme is actually holding us back. I think a more aggressive DC could turn this group of players into an all time dominant defense. We are going through a lot of house cleaning here with the coaching staff…just go all the way and get Frazier out. More aggressive in what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mama Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, wppete said: Wow that was a surprise. Huge loss for the Bills. A lot of change on the coaching staff and that worries me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Hand over the 'finder's fee'. 🤨 * 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How do you know it's a "huge loss for the Bills"? Because Babich is well recognized as one of the best LB guys around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantankeous Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: McDermott chasing another away. Please don’t encourage our less enlightened.🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Old LB coach is out "So long Bob." New one is in "Hello Bob." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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