Elite talent matters

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

NOOOOO WE MUST KEEP DRAFTING GUYS LIKE ZAY JONES AND AJ EPENESA AND ZACK MOSS INSTEAD OF GETTING ELITE PASS RUSHERS.

And we need the cap space to house McDermott's bucket hat.

[Big Blitz]

31 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Who, aside from Allen?

 

Diggs and White.  Even then, Diggs is an elite WR but not a game changer.. White is a lockdown corner but doesn’t make a ton of plays like some other corners. 
 

Where else are we elite?

 

This FO prioritizes having no holes over getting that extra 1 or 2 elite level guys…

 

Would you rather have Hughes + Addison, or one guy like Hendrickson.  
 

I really like Beane’s approach, but will be very disappointed if he continues this stance. 
 

 

 

 

Which probably speaks to how elite Allen is and that the coaches get just about everything they can from every roster.  

 

And I don't disagree with you I just wouldn't say "elite" is necessary.  Like the Browns supposedly were coming in to the season.

 

Even the biggest fans can't name anyone on the Bengals except Burrow Chase Mixon and Higgins.  And they have a God awful oline.  Things just broke for them this time.

 

They won 2 of their 3 games bc the other QB melted down.  Was it the QB or the team D they played?  I think it was a bit of both.  

 

 

Stepping back we were Mahomes having the game of his life combined with a mistake on a kickoff and 2 horrific plays on defense from playing today.  

 

Josh Allen hasn't played for the best team he'll be on I truly believe this.  We can do that as soon as this fall if the front office can figure out where to upgrade:

 

CB

RB

IOL 

 

The Dline you can always look to improve.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

NOOOOO WE MUST KEEP DRAFTING GUYS LIKE ZAY JONES AND AJ EPENESA AND ZACK MOSS INSTEAD OF GETTING ELITE PASS RUSHERS.

 

They work great for other teams 😄😄

 

For the record i didn't want to draft Epenesa, thought he was slow off the ball and just a guy , hopefully he get better but not holding my breath.

 

Wish we could get aiden Hutchinson but thats not happening, so hopefully we can find one somewhere. We could have had TJ Watt but we wouldn't have Tre White.

 

 

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I think the bolded is supposed to be "your still and idiot."

 

Others will correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong.  You're is a contraction of you are.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

This isnt the 2014 Bills anymore. We have elite talent. 

Could use more!

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Would you rather have Hughes + Addison, or one guy like Hendrickson.  

Our GM/coach were content with their Carolina retreads. Hendrickson was a FA last season

[Jrb1979]

2 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

If you were not interested in Odell Beckham or Von Miller then, with all due respect, you're an idiot.

 

A lot of us were likewise not interested in acquiring Stefon Diggs. Oops!

 

When elite talents are rumored to be available this coming year and you again say you're not interested...you're still an idiot.

 

[Relax, I stole DC Tom's patent.]

I agree with what you said. I think a lot of it comes from that many Bills fans still have this mindset that that the Bills have to a blue collar team and Divas don't belong here. Beckham would have been a great addition. For some reason many Bills fans don't want Me First guys.  

[Jim]

17 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I agree with what you said. I think a lot of it comes from that many Bills fans still have this mindset that that the Bills have to a blue collar team and Divas don't belong here. Beckham would have been a great addition. For some reason many Bills fans don't want Me First guys.  

 

Which is hilarious cuz I don't think you could've found a more self centered douche in the NFL than Jim Kelly in the '80s. He literally didn't come here when drafted because of his small minded, big time, superstar, "me-me-me" attitude. Yet somehow the city learned to love him.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Jim

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, Jim said:

 

Which is hilarious cuz I don't think you could've found a more self centered douche in the NFL than Jim Kelly in the '80s. He literally didn't come here when drafted because of his small minded, big time, superstar, "me-me-me" attitude. Yet somehow the city learned to love him.

I do wonder if a lot of this blue collar mindset from the fans is due to the average age of many Bills fans. I have noticed that a lot of posters here have been fans from well before Jim Kelly. 

[Comebackkid]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Funny how these other OCs figure out how to get their Elite talent the ball but Diggs got taken out of the KC game🤔

its all about the Decoy

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Our GM/coach were content with their Carolina retreads. Hendrickson was a FA last season

so was ingram...someone needs to take carolina off speed dial

[NewEra]

Nice post 🙄 

[auburnbillsbacker]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Funny how these other OCs figure out how to get their Elite talent the ball but Diggs got taken out of the KC game🤔

Did we need to force feed Diggs the ball?  The offense was on fire.  If Diggs presence allows for everyone else to get open than he is worth every penny.  

[filthymcnasty08]

The hottest of takes.  🙄

[thenorthremembers]

10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We need to pump the breaks on this type of stuff the Rams literally don’t have a draft or cap space till like 2024…they went all in for 1 year and if Tartt the 49ers safety doesn’t drop a fair catch interception everyone is chuckling at them. 

End thread.   There is no reason to discuss this any longer.   He catches the INT game is over. 

[billsbackto81]

10 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

If you were not interested in Odell Beckham or Von Miller then, with all due respect, you're an idiot.

 

A lot of us were likewise not interested in acquiring Stefon Diggs. Oops!

 

When elite talents are rumored to be available this coming year and you again say you're not interested...you're still an idiot.

 

[Relax, I stole DC Tom's patent.]

You would take Cincy's roster over KC's or Buffalo's?

 

Elite talent is nice but you know what really matters? Competent coaching.

 

Not elite coaching, just competent common sense type of coaching.

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

Did we need to force feed Diggs the ball?  The offense was on fire.  If Diggs presence allows for everyone else to get open than he is worth every penny.  

How many points did we score in the second quarter?

I guess that dump off to Reggie Gilliam ten yards behind the line of scrimmage is a bunch of your idea of Daboll’s OC acumen ……. Yeah, and then we punted for the second time in that quarter.

🤔

[Hebert19]

12 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

If you were not interested in Odell Beckham or Von Miller then, with all due respect, you're an idiot.

 

A lot of us were likewise not interested in acquiring Stefon Diggs. Oops!

 

When elite talents are rumored to be available this coming year and you again say you're not interested...you're still an idiot.

 

[Relax, I stole DC Tom's patent.]

Or Ingram for that matter.  Chiefs getting him rather than us was difference in that game.  

12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We need to pump the breaks on this type of stuff the Rams literally don’t have a draft or cap space till like 2024…they went all in for 1 year and if Tartt the 49ers safety doesn’t drop a fair catch interception everyone is chuckling at them. 

Not true.  Pretty sure I read Goff and Gurley come off books now and they free up 36M between them and a couple others.  Restructure Stafford and they can go all in again next year. 

[78thealltimegreat]

8 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Or Ingram for that matter.  Chiefs getting him rather than us was difference in that game.  

Not true.  Pretty sure I read Goff and Gurley come off books now and they free up 36M between them and a couple others.  Restructure Stafford and they can go all in again next year. 

Not true at all they are currently 5.5 million over the cap and with bonuses and accelerators would have to clear up like 20 million to break even 

[bmur66]

I wonder if at some point in "The Process" there is a time to mortgage some of your future to obtain more of the elite talent the OP speaks of? This could be the year to go all in on a Superbowl run. It will be interesting to see what Beane does this off season.

[FilthyBeast]

Beane has to go out an get a truly dynamic pass rusher in the offseason. Whether than means giving up just this year's 1st rounder or a combination of something else the time to strike is now.

 

That move combined with a solid draft and other complimentary FA pieces should be more than enough to have this team in the position the want to be next year.

[LeviF]

Semi-related, where are all the stuffed shirts and Baker apologists who said OBJ was washed/never that good/team destroyer?

[Tanoros]

14 hours ago, MJS said:

Yes, we have been missing that elite guy on defense. A game wrecker on the defensive line would make this team truly elite.

 

I don't think we need another elite receiver. We have Diggs. The rest of the guys have shown they can take over when Diggs is doubled and game planned out of the game. Obviously, we have an elite QB. I didn't want Beckham and I stand by that. Von Miller, though? Sign me up. But they traded him out of conference for a reason.

 

On defense we have Tre White, but we need one more elite guy. An elite MLB or an Elite pass rusher would go a long ways.

 

The Bills of the 90's had that on both sides of the ball and it is what we are missing now. Jim and Thurman on offense, Bruce on defense. We need our Bruce.

We might just see that we have him in Greg R. Next season, my fingers are crossed this is the case. 
 

Beane mentioned in his presser he thought he hit the rookie wall a bit, but battled past it. With a full season and upcoming offseason under his belt, I’m excited to see him next season. 

[ganesh]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Funny how these other OCs figure out how to get their Elite talent the ball but Diggs got taken out of the KC game🤔

Because Allen was smart and did not the force the ball; instead found other targets such as Davis and Singletary.   I wish the Bills had done the same by blanketing Kelce and Hill and forcing them to beat us with their the other guys.

[Alphadawg7]

15 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Funny how these other OCs figure out how to get their Elite talent the ball but Diggs got taken out of the KC game🤔

 

I keep seeing people say stuff like this, and its honestly puzzling to me.  How do you expect Diggs to touch the ball while Davis is torching the Chiefs for over 200 yards and 4 TD's?  I don't get this criticism.  Should we have not thrown those TD's to Davis so we could throw different passes to Diggs for the sake of passing to Diggs?

 

I mean, its not like Diggs is why we lost...its not like moving the ball is why we lost.  Allen only had like 120 yards passing that didnt go to Davis.  And that was spread between Diggs, Sanders, Cole, Knox, and our RB's.  

 

Diggs also made an amazing and critical 2 pt conversion catch and layed some big blocks in the game too that sprung other players.  Not to mention, the extra attention he got helped Davis get those opportunities too.  

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I keep seeing people say stuff like this, and its honestly puzzling to me.  How do you expect Diggs to touch the ball while Davis is torching the Chiefs for over 200 yards and 4 TD's?  I don't get this criticism.  Should we have not thrown those TD's to Davis so we could throw different passes to Diggs for the sake of passing to Diggs?

 

I mean, its not like Diggs is why we lost...its not like moving the ball is why we lost.  Allen only had like 120 yards passing that didnt go to Davis.  And that was spread between Diggs, Sanders, Cole, Knox, and our RB's.  

 

Diggs also made an amazing and critical 2 pt conversion catch and layed some big blocks in the game too that sprung other players.  Not to mention, the extra attention he got helped Davis get those opportunities too.  

 

Honestly. The same people that were upset earlier in the season when Allen was not taking what the defense was giving him, are now upset that he took what the defense gave him. He passed for over 300 yards and 4 TDs, scored 36 points, and probably should have won the game. Why in the world would anyone be upset because they didn't schematically change things to counter the strategy implemented by KC to keep Diggs from beating them, rather than being happy that Allen exploited that strategy to perfection with  Davis? Who really cares which receivers Allen got the ball to as long as the passing game was successful?

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I keep seeing people say stuff like this, and its honestly puzzling to me.  How do you expect Diggs to touch the ball while Davis is torching the Chiefs for over 200 yards and 4 TD's?  I don't get this criticism.  Should we have not thrown those TD's to Davis so we could throw different passes to Diggs for the sake of passing to Diggs?

 

I mean, its not like Diggs is why we lost...its not like moving the ball is why we lost.  Allen only had like 120 yards passing that didnt go to Davis.  And that was spread between Diggs, Sanders, Cole, Knox, and our RB's.  

 

Diggs also made an amazing and critical 2 pt conversion catch and layed some big blocks in the game too that sprung other players.  Not to mention, the extra attention he got helped Davis get those opportunities too.  

This lol. We scored at will throwing at Davis. He was unstoppable. We should feel

BETTER about our weapons after that loss tbh.

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This lol. We scored at will throwing at Davis. He was unstoppable. We should feel

BETTER about our weapons after that loss tbh.

 

Exactly what I was saying

[Nextmanup]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This lol. We scored at will throwing at Davis. He was unstoppable. We should feel

BETTER about our weapons after that loss tbh.

Last night during the NFC game, Joe Buck said something like "As you have been pointing out forever, Troy, any team's passing game is only as good as its third receiver."

 

Despite rather disliking Troy Aikman, I thought that was interesting.

 

I immediately thought of Davis' game agains KC.

 

I think it's a solid observation.  If you have THREE stud targets, opposing defense cannot take them ALL away from you.

 

This jibes with what I've been saying here lately--go get another stud WR for next season.

 

I would get rid of Beasley, and then you'd have Diggs, Davis, and hopefully some stud WR as well that we acquire---plus Knox and his continued development at TE.

 

Totally revamp the OL and we should be in top gear every week, instead of just now and again as we were last season.

 

Put 30 on the board every week and see who can keep up.

 

 

 

[RyanC883]

15 hours ago, bobobonators said:

This isnt the 2014 Bills anymore. We have elite talent. 

 

besides QB, and secondary, and WR, where?  

 

you need elite talent at every level of play.  The SB teams have this, we don't.  

 

You need elite from 7, we don't.  Elite OL, nope.  Elite RB or 2 capable backs, nope.  

 

We are missing key parts.  We don't have enough elite talent.  

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

This lol. We scored at will throwing at Davis. He was unstoppable. We should feel

BETTER about our weapons after that loss tbh.

 

yeah, but worse about our coaching.  Why did it take until then for Davis to be part of the game plan.  

 

Bye bye Daboll! 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

besides QB, and secondary, and WR, where?  

 

you need elite talent at every level of play.  The SB teams have this, we don't.  

 

You need elite from 7, we don't.  Elite OL, nope.  Elite RB or 2 capable backs, nope.  

 

We are missing key parts.  We don't have enough elite talent.  

 

yeah, but worse about our coaching.  Why did it take until then for Davis to be part of the game plan.  

 

Bye bye Daboll! 

Huh? Did you think our offense was bad this year? 
 

#3 in points this year, #2 last year. If we’re 5 or 6 next year, will you want to fire the OC?

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Huh? Did you think our offense was bad this year? 
 

#3 in points this year, #2 last year. If we’re 5 or 6 next year, will you want to fire the OC?

 

The offense was totally unbalanced until the end of the season when Daboll discovered Motor and Davis, what took him so long.  3 points v. Jax; 15 v. Colts.  Really?  

[Buffalo Boy]

47 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Because Allen was smart and did not the force the ball; instead found other targets such as Davis and Singletary.   I wish the Bills had done the same by blanketing Kelce and Hill and forcing them to beat us with their the other guys.

 

43 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I keep seeing people say stuff like this, and its honestly puzzling to me.  How do you expect Diggs to touch the ball while Davis is torching the Chiefs for over 200 yards and 4 TD's?  I don't get this criticism.  Should we have not thrown those TD's to Davis so we could throw different passes to Diggs for the sake of passing to Diggs?

 

I mean, its not like Diggs is why we lost...its not like moving the ball is why we lost.  Allen only had like 120 yards passing that didnt go to Davis.  And that was spread between Diggs, Sanders, Cole, Knox, and our RB's.  

 

Diggs also made an amazing and critical 2 pt conversion catch and layed some big blocks in the game too that sprung other players.  Not to mention, the extra attention he got helped Davis get those opportunities too.  

 

19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Honestly. The same people that were upset earlier in the season when Allen was not taking what the defense was giving him, are now upset that he took what the defense gave him. He passed for over 300 yards and 4 TDs, scored 36 points, and probably should have won the game. Why in the world would anyone be upset because they didn't schematically change things to counter the strategy implemented by KC to keep Diggs from beating them, rather than being happy that Allen exploited that strategy to perfection with  Davis? Who really cares which receivers Allen got the ball to as long as the passing game was successful?

Who was in control of most of this game? KC

Who gave the ball back to them twice in the second quarter on three and outs? Buffalo

Who’s decision was three runs and a punt? OC

Who’s decision was it to have Gilliam in as an outlet receiver? OC 

What happens to Defenses that keep getting thrown back onto the field when they get a short break?

You don’t beat the Chiefs by playing scared or conservative. BOTH sides of the ball did that in this game. 
One of the oldest adages in the book is you put the ball in the hands of your biggest playmakers. Is Diggs not our biggest weapon on O ( I would contend Davis is actually proving to be, but that is another argument)

Daboll isn’t a genius. I’m sorry you guys are in love with the game he called but the ONLY reason we caught up at the end is because Josh willed it to happen. 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Tanoros said:

We might just see that we have him in Greg R. Next season, my fingers are crossed this is the case. 
 

Beane mentioned in his presser he thought he hit the rookie wall a bit, but battled past it. With a full season and upcoming offseason under his belt, I’m excited to see him next season. 

That's the hope. Ed Oliver has been progressing nicely as well.

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

The offense was totally unbalanced until the end of the season when Daboll discovered Motor and Davis, what took him so long.  3 points v. Jax; 15 v. Colts.  Really?  

Okay lol whatever u say. He wasn’t a good OC which is why he definitely wasn’t the hottest offensive coach on the market this year, and didn’t get looks last year. 
 

it’s like you people forget that there are way more bad coordinators than good ones. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by FireChans

[Buffalo Boy]

    How much of our O was Josh not hitting the designed target and just improvising and hitting someone downfield who got open on a scramble drill?

    Fun as heck to watch because Josh’s arm and legs and size  can make that work like no other QB. BUT, it isn’t on the  OC .

 

[Buffalo716]

45 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

besides QB, and secondary, and WR, where?  

 

you need elite talent at every level of play.  The SB teams have this, we don't.  

 

You need elite from 7, we don't.  Elite OL, nope.  Elite RB or 2 capable backs, nope.  

 

We are missing key parts.  We don't have enough elite talent.  

 

yeah, but worse about our coaching.  Why did it take until then for Davis to be part of the game plan.  

 

Bye bye Daboll! 

The Bengals don't have an elite o line , or an elite secondary  

 

And we are a better team then them 

 

What they did was get pressure on mahomes, we couldn't finish

 

 

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Huh? Did you think our offense was bad this year? 
 

#3 in points this year, #2 last year. If we’re 5 or 6 next year, will you want to fire the OC?

 

Come on @FireChans.... when have Bills fans not wanted to fire the OC? 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

16 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Funny how these other OCs figure out how to get their Elite talent the ball but Diggs got taken out of the KC game🤔

Like what…oh let me pass up a wide open gabe Davis because Stefon diggs is more of a household name 😂. That logic is ridiculous after seeing what the offense did that game.  

[Bing Bong]

That may be well and true, but players with egos and confidence from being talented, that get highly paid, and have success make me feel insecure and insignificant

[Buffalo Boy]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Like what…oh let me pass up a wide open gabe Davis because Stefon diggs is more of a household name 😂. That logic is ridiculous after seeing what the offense did that game.  

Who was in control of most of this game? KC

Who gave the ball back to them twice in the second quarter on three and outs? Buffalo

Who’s decision was three runs and a punt? OC

Who’s decision was it to have Gilliam in as an outlet receiver? OC 

What happens to Defenses that keep getting thrown back onto the field when they get a short break?

You don’t beat the Chiefs by playing scared or conservative. BOTH sides of the ball did that in this game. 
One of the oldest adages in the book is you put the ball in the hands of your biggest playmakers. Is Diggs not our biggest weapon on O ( I would contend Davis is actually proving to be, but that is another argument)

Daboll isn’t a genius. I’m sorry you guys are in love with the game he called but the ONLY reason we caught up at the end is because Josh willed it to happen.