Allen is better

[transplantbillsfan]

Allen and Mahomes are 1a and 1b right now. I think when Allen gets a Super Bowl next year he separates himself 

[The Frankish Reich]

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

17 hours ago, Rico said:

Mahomes, his brother, his fiance, and his mother are extremely bad fits for Buffalo. Thank God THEY did not come here. 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by The Frankish Reich

[dakrider]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen his rookie year.. played with one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL 

 

One of the worst receiving cores in the history of the NFL.. Zay Jones was his number one.. kelvin Benjamin looked like a tackle... Undrafted Robert Foster became his playmaker 

 

It was god-awful

 

And then if you actually watch the games through that lens it was clear Allen was the best player on the field for the bills 

 

And that you absolutely needed to surround him with talent .. he oozed talent his rookie year but he was unrefined and had little talent around him

 

 

A lot of QB's wouldn't have survived a first year that.  Allen was clearly not NFL ready to start that soon but Peterman forced the issue.  Allen would have done much better to sit those first 6 games at least. 

[The Wiz]

30 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

We would be loving Mahomes if he were here. We'd even think his brother is hilarious.

It's not like KC is LA or NYC. KC and BUF are, at their core, blue collar cities. On the great 3D plot of food similarities, KC barbeque is right there next to Buffalo wings. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

 

No, we wouldn't. 

[PatsFanNH]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Josh Allen his rookie year.. played with one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL 

 

One of the worst receiving cores in the history of the NFL.. Zay Jones was his number one.. kelvin Benjamin looked like a tackle... Undrafted Robert Foster became his playmaker 

 

It was god-awful

 

And then if you actually watch the games through that lens it was clear Allen was the best player on the field for the bills 

 

And that you absolutely needed to surround him with talent .. he oozed talent his rookie year but he was unrefined and had little talent around him

 

 

Don’t forget I mostly saw 3-4 games tops and mostly highlights or lowlights depending on the week… Maybe say this again, I am not saying Allen is bad or even average NOW he isn’t he is top 5 now. I was talking about when he was drafted, I also don’t think he would have drafted Trey Lance if he was there at 15 instead of Jones.  That doesn’t mean I’m right it’s my opinion based on the style QBs he has had success with and drafted. 

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/685062-ryan-mallett-five-reasons-hes-new-englands-future-at-quarterback 

Mallet was a project but he wasn’t a first rounder, and he was low risk.. high reward.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Don’t forget I mostly saw 3-4 games tops and mostly highlights or lowlights depending on the week… Maybe say this again, I am not saying Allen is bad or even average NOW he isn’t he is top 5 now. I was talking about when he was drafted, I also don’t think he would have drafted Trey Lance if he was there at 15 instead of Jones.  That doesn’t mean I’m right it’s my opinion based on the style QBs he has had success with and drafted. 

Mallet was a project but he wasn’t a first rounder, and he was low risk.. high reward.

The Pats spent a third rounder on him, which was very high given the context -- i.e., the fact that they had the GOAT playing QB in his prime and were never going to spend a first on a QB at that moment. But that wasn't your point. Your point was that BB would never have taken a player with a track and skill set like Allen. It was never about where the player was drafted. Mallet isn't exactly Allen, but he's very comparable in terms of massive size and a cannon arm. 

[PatsFanNH]

11 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Pats spent a third rounder on him, which was very high given the context -- i.e., the fact that they had the GOAT playing QB in his prime and were never going to spend a first on a QB at that moment. But that wasn't your point. Your point was that BB would never have taken a player with a track and skill set like Allen. It was never about where the player was drafted. Mallet isn't exactly Allen, but he's very comparable in terms of massive size and a cannon arm. 

Mallot was nothing like Allen. He under performed in college and was a disaster his senior year.  He was no real athlete with his legs either.. only comparison may be he was suppose to have a cannon for an arm.  
I just don’t see the comparison?  

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Mallot was nothing like Allen. He under performed in college and was a disaster his senior year.  He was no real athlete with his legs either.. only comparison may be he was suppose to have a cannon for an arm.  
I just don’t see the comparison?  

What are you talking about??? He was *awesome* his final season at Arkansas, which went 10-3 (ranked 12th at the end of the season) and lost the Sugar Bowl to Ohio State because of a very controversial penalty call on a blocked punt in the final minute. That year, Mallet had a 65 percent completion rate, 9.4 ypa, 32 TDs, and a 163.6 rating. He led the SEC in passing yardage, TD passes, and ypa.  He was good the year before too (30 TDs/7 INTs; 9.0 ypa). Anyway, the comps are there: massive size, cannon arm, accuracy issues. I didn't say he was exactly alike, but no two players are ever exactly alike. But there were certainly some notable similarities in terms of the scouting reports. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by dave mcbride

[PatsFanNH]

42 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

What are you talking about??? He was *awesome* his final season at Arkansas, which went 10-3 (ranked 12th at the end of the season) and lost the Sugar Bowl to Ohio State because of a very controversial penalty call on a blocked punt in the final minute. That year, Mallet had a 65 percent completion rate, 9.4 ypa, 32 TDs, and a 163.6 rating. He led the SEC in passing yardage, TD passes, and ypa.  He was good the year before too (30 TDs/7 INTs; 9.0 ypa). Anyway, the comps are there: massive size, cannon arm, accuracy issues. I didn't say he was exactly alike, but no two players are ever exactly alike. But there were certainly some notable similarities in terms of the scouting reports. 

Read his scouting report… the BIG HUGE DIFFERENCE… “character issues” as well as “needs a clean pocket to operate”…

 

yes he had accuracy issues but unlike Allen is a pure pocket passer.. and that’s the point.. every QB drafted as a QB by NE is just that a pocket passer. 

[HOUSE]

 

Patrick Mahomes has already reached impressive levels of success in his four seasons as the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He has an MVP to his name, a Super Bowl title, a Super Bowl MVP, two All-Pro nods, and four Pro Bowls.

He is truly an elite talent and one of the best quarterbacks in football. That is why chaos took over social media Thursday thanks to the comments of former player and current analyst Sam Acho.

 

Check the rankings inside

 

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-top-5-nfl-qb-matter-analyst-says?utm_source=FBAUTOFEED&utm_medium=SKProFootball

[HardyBoy]

Nope, didn't see him on the list

[NewEra]

Not on the list, you must acquit.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

The anti- Nick Wright?

 

I like it.

 

Notice how the person who wrote this article mentions Mahomes 4 pro-bowl selections. And some people wonder why some of us get upset when stupid crap like Lamar Jackson getting voted to the pro-bowl over both Allen and Burrow ruffles our feathers. It's because there are dumb people in the media who take those awards seriously. You hear it all the time when talking heads bring up a players career achievements and if they are HOF worthy or not. Luckily, I do know for Allen at least, his HOF eligibility question won't hinge on whether he was a 5 time pro-bowler or 6 time. It will come down to is he a unanimous first time eligible selection or not? 

[Rico]

Top 5 QB’s don’t meltdown in their biggest game 2 years in a row. 2019 was a long time ago.

[HOUSE]

I am having problems with #3 ...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

Patrick Mahomes has already reached impressive levels of success in his four seasons as the starting quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. He has an MVP to his name, a Super Bowl title, a Super Bowl MVP, two All-Pro nods, and four Pro Bowls.

He is truly an elite talent and one of the best quarterbacks in football. That is why chaos took over social media Thursday thanks to the comments of former player and current analyst Sam Acho.

 

Check the rankings inside

 

 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-top-5-nfl-qb-matter-analyst-says?utm_source=FBAUTOFEED&utm_medium=SKProFootball

 

Sounds like Acho wanted attention and that's just what he got

[wppete]

No question about it Josh Allen is the best QB in the NFL. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Holy click bait! 
 

Matt Stafford as the third best QB in the NFL?  He is arguably only the third best QB in his own division! 

[Inigo Montoya]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

No question about it Josh Allen is the best QB in the NFL. 

 

Sometimes it's fun to go back in time to revisit draft day 2018.  We all hoped Allen would be good but I don't think even the most optimistic saw how good he would become.  Whether he is the best QB in the NFL or not, he is certainly in the conversation.  That is no small thing. 

 

Just for fun, here is the draft day thread;

 

 

[ganesh]

Josh, Mahomes, Rodgers, Herbert and the GOAT is the best QBs in the NFL right now.   

 

The guy has taken his team to four consecutive AFC Championship games in his first 4 seasons of playing full time in the NFL

 

Prescott, Burrows, Lamar, Wilson, Watson,  Stafford fall in the next category. 

 

Then you have the also rans like Tannehill, Garapalo, Murray,  Mayfield, Tua,  Cousins.

 

Jones could be in the 2nd category based on his 1 year performance. 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

lol:  Herbert at 2 and Stafford at 3.

 

Acho with full blown CTE right now.

[HOUSE]

#1 Allen

#2 Rogers

#3 Brady

#4 Mahomes

#5 Herbert

#6 Burrows

#7 Prescott

#9 Wilson

#10  Watson

 

 

[mjd1001]

I'd entertain the thought of Allen being the best sometime this year, but I need to see something first....

 

For him to have a more consistent year.  Mahomes had a couple games this year that were 'average', but leading up to this year, how many games did he play where he wan't good to great? Hardly any.  Allen needs to do that.

 

Allen at his very best is just as good as Mahomes at his very best....just as good as pretty much anyone at their best. The issue keeping Allen from being 'the best' is my mind is...he isn't at 'his best' as often as some of the other top guys.  He's getting there, but I want to see that MVP season where he doesn't have any 'below average' games.

[Artful Dodger]

Based on his performance in the two playoff games this year where he threw for 9 touchdowns, had a completion rating of over 75% and ran for 160 yards, Allen's ceiling is higher than any other QB in the league right now and maybe among the highest in NFL history.  His intangibles are also off the charts.  He's got great leadership skills, and his teammates literally are in awe of him.  In big games, he's at his best, which is the mark of a great QB.

 

As noted by others, he's been inconsistent.  I think some of last year's issues were due to poor offensive line play during the first half of the year and the weather didn't help.  However, during the Tampa Bay game, something clicked in, and in the second half, he took over the game just like that.  I think what changed is that he finally figured out that he can play within his talents and easily be the best player on the field.

 

Over the next several years, he's going to have to gradually dial back the running, or his career will be shorter than otherwise, but that's the only red flag I can see.  While it's really fun to watch him elude linebackers and run over defensive backs, the Bills should game plan just enough planned runs to keep the defense honest.

 

I'm a fan, and I try not to get too excited and remain objective, but objectively, he's really that good. 

[Warcodered]

On 1/31/2022 at 6:33 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Quick someone, photoshop a Bills cap onto this fella:

 

 

I thought the problem is that Watson tries to be too much the "player" when NOT clothed

A platypus?

On 2/1/2022 at 12:48 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

 

Perry the Bills Fan Platypus!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

A platypus?

Perry the Bills Fan Platypus!

 

It was in response to these posts:

Platypus has 52 chromosomes

[Dibs]

On 2/1/2022 at 4:42 AM, prissythecat said:

Football is a team sport so saying that one QB is better than others is meaningless in isolation .  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are/were arguably better QBs than Tom Brady if you just look at pure passing stats .  But Tom Brady has twice as many Super Bowl wins as the two of them combined . Why is that ?  Because the Pats and Bucs had much better teams around Brady. 

Why is that? Because the Pats and Brady constantly cheated. 🙄

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Holy click bait! 
 

Matt Stafford as the third best QB in the NFL?  He is arguably only the third best QB in his own division! 

Has a great future ahead of him as a beat cop, directing traffic at an accident scene.

"Nothing to see here...move along..."

[prissythecat]

2 hours ago, Dibs said:

Why is that? Because the Pats and Brady constantly cheated. 🙄

 

 

Umm. no.  But thanks for the 6th grade reasoning

[DrDawkinstein]

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-62-starting-qbs-of-the-2021-nfl-season

 

A much better list from a much better source.

 

Ranking only QBs who started games this past season.

 

Long story short:

1. Brady

2. Rogers

3. Allen

 

Jets QBs dont even break the Top 40, lol

[ganesh]

On 1/31/2022 at 7:43 AM, SCBills said:

 

Media plays narratives and the narrative is that Mahomes has won a SB and now Burrow is in one.  

But that is also the truth.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

On 2/19/2022 at 11:21 AM, mjd1001 said:

I'd entertain the thought of Allen being the best sometime this year, but I need to see something first....

 

For him to have a more consistent year.  Mahomes had a couple games this year that were 'average', but leading up to this year, how many games did he play where he wan't good to great? Hardly any.  Allen needs to do that.

 

Allen at his very best is just as good as Mahomes at his very best....just as good as pretty much anyone at their best. The issue keeping Allen from being 'the best' is my mind is...he isn't at 'his best' as often as some of the other top guys.  He's getting there, but I want to see that MVP season where he doesn't have any 'below average' games.

 

 I tend to agree with you on Josh being inconsistent, but there's a few things out of his control that he has to deal with that, we as fans, have to remember played into some of his struggles.

 

  First and foremost weather. Most of the home games this year either had strong winds, rain(some downpours) or cold temps(some games had a combination of bad weather). Been a fan since the late 70s and this was the worst weather for home games that I can remember in a season. Many of the other top QBs played in pretty good to great weather this year. His QB Rating was 14 points higher on the road this year, completion percentage was 7.3 points higher and a 1.5 ypa higher on the road.

 

  Second thing is talent on the offensive side of the ball. Of the young QBs(Allen, Mahomes, Burrow & Herbert) which team's skill position players would you rank last? For me, I love the Bills, but I would take them last and I don't think it's close. I think it's the biggest reason why Josh has finished 1st, in each of the last 2 years, at percentage of the team's total yards & TDs.

 

  Lastly saying Mahomes had a few "average" games is true as long as you also include, in a separate count, his below average games and yes he had several of them. QB Rating isn't everything, but when you're way below say what Josh finished the year with(Ranked 16th this year at 92.2) then they're not average games, they're below average. Mahomes had a game with a 57.2 QB Rating, another with a 62.7 rating & 4 more between a 70.9 - 74.8 rating.

 

  Like I said I know QB Rating isn't the end all be all, but I think it's safe to say a sub 75 rating for a game is indeed well below average. FYI just looked it up and the average QB Rating this year was 90.8

 

 

[ganesh]

On 2/19/2022 at 9:51 PM, mjd1001 said:

I'd entertain the thought of Allen being the best sometime this year, but I need to see something first....

 

For him to have a more consistent year.  Mahomes had a couple games this year that were 'average', but leading up to this year, how many games did he play where he wan't good to great? Hardly any.  Allen needs to do that.

 

Allen at his very best is just as good as Mahomes at his very best....just as good as pretty much anyone at their best. The issue keeping Allen from being 'the best' is my mind is...he isn't at 'his best' as often as some of the other top guys.  He's getting there, but I want to see that MVP season where he doesn't have any 'below average' games.

I think this is a perception that has been generated by the national media.  They are holding Allen to a different standard than their other darling QBs.   The moment Allen has a bad game, they bring him down severely, but are not as much harsh to Mahomes and others.   There are many in the media including former HOF QBs who don't want to eat their crow for what they said in the draft.   

[Putin]

On 1/30/2022 at 6:55 PM, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Yeah not going there yet.

 

Mahomes had his first awful playoff game.

 

But he's been to 4 straight title games

 

2 SB appearance

 

1 SB win (MVP)

 

1 NFL MVP

Yeah well you can go where ever you want , 

and with everything you just said does

( as of TODAY) Allen still can be better , 

 

On 1/30/2022 at 7:11 PM, ArtVandalay said:

THE DEFENSE??!!!??? HAHAHAHA

 

oh yeah, that's what cost us the game... the defense. 

And what did ??? 

[Rico]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-62-starting-qbs-of-the-2021-nfl-season

 

A much better list from a much better source.

 

Ranking only QBs who started games this past season.

 

Long story short:

1. Brady

2. Rogers

3. Allen

 

Jets QBs dont even break the Top 40, lol

Rat #7, that's about right. 2019 was a  long time ago.

[MafiaMio]

On 1/31/2022 at 12:42 PM, prissythecat said:

Football is a team sport so saying that one QB is better than others is meaningless in isolation .  Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are/were arguably better QBs than Tom Brady if you just look at pure passing stats .  But Tom Brady has twice as many Super Bowl wins as the two of them combined . Why is that ?  Because the Pats and Bucs had much better teams around Brady. 

Ok let's not act like Manning and Rodgers never had good teams around them. They just constantly fall short so people make up new excuses  to make them look better than they are. For instance the excuse for Rodgers last year was the defense, this year it was special teams, even when the offense falling short is the common denominator in both losses. And Brady has passed Manning in volume stats and exceeds his efficiency stats with far less INTs. 
 

As for Mahomes vs Allen, whether we like it or not, Mahomes absolutely has the Brady-esque factor that guys like Manning, Rodgers and Brees didn't. Time will tell if Josh is the same guy who is able to overcome the team's shortcomings and will his team to victory anyway. He has come so close twice, just didn't get there yet. I have really high hopes he will get there. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

22 minutes ago, MafiaMio said:

Ok let's not act like Manning and Rodgers never had good teams around them. They just constantly fall short so people make up new excuses  to make them look better than they are. For instance the excuse for Rodgers last year was the defense, this year it was special teams, even when the offense falling short is the common denominator in both losses. And Brady has passed Manning in volume stats and exceeds his efficiency stats with far less INTs. 
 

As for Mahomes vs Allen, whether we like it or not, Mahomes absolutely has the Brady-esque factor that guys like Manning, Rodgers and Brees didn't. Time will tell if Josh is the same guy who is able to overcome the team's shortcomings and will his team to victory anyway. He has come so close twice, just didn't get there yet. I have really high hopes he will get there. 

 

  To the bolded....Brady beat Peyton in volume stats purely because he played in 52 more games due to Peyton's neck injury cutting his career short. Peyton had a higher completion percentage, yards per attempt, TD percentage and yards per game. Meanwhile Brady had a slightly higher QB Rating and a lower interception percentage. Peyton threw for 55 TDs in his 15th season, more than Brady ever threw in a year.   

 

  Peyton was the better QB, Brady had better teams, a better coach and some cheating to help his cause. He also had more stability playing for the same head coach(considered by many as the best of all-time) for 18 years of his 20 year career and had Josh McDaniels for all but 3 seasons from 2004 - 2019. Same goes with the Mahomes vs Allen matchup, Mahomes has better weapons and a better coach. Mahomes had every advantage in their last matchup. Swap QBs for that game and Josh wins by double digits.

 

 

[ArtVandalay]

On 2/20/2022 at 7:53 PM, Putin said:

Yeah well you can go where ever you want , 

and with everything you just said does

( as of TODAY) Allen still can be better , 

 

And what did ??? 

Did you watch? The coaching staff blew it.  Didn't even give the defense a chance at the end of the game.  All time great coaching collapse that will be talked about for years to come. McMentalmidget blew it.

[Ghost_002!]

22 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

  To the bolded....Brady beat Peyton in volume stats purely because he played in 52 more games due to Peyton's neck injury cutting his career short. Peyton had a higher completion percentage, yards per attempt, TD percentage and yards per game. Meanwhile Brady had a slightly higher QB Rating and a lower interception percentage. Peyton threw for 55 TDs in his 15th season, more than Brady ever threw in a year.   

 

  Peyton was the better QB, Brady had better teams, a better coach and some cheating to help his cause. He also had more stability playing for the same head coach(considered by many as the best of all-time) for 18 years of his 20 year career and had Josh McDaniels for all but 3 seasons from 2004 - 2019. Same goes with the Mahomes vs Allen matchup, Mahomes has better weapons and a better coach. Mahomes had every advantage in their last matchup. Swap QBs for that game and Josh wins by double digits.

 

 

 

 

Manning was never as good in the playoffs as he was in the regular season. So Brady having better stats was not a volume thing, it was because Manning failed alot in the playoffs. And his Colts teams average 10 plus wins most of the times Manning was there...

 

 

Manning and Rodgers are similar. They both despite their talent fail in the playoffs more than they succeeded 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Ghost_002!

[chongli]

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