Thriftygamer83 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Without Tre can remember sportswriters and analysts saying we were done. Our defensive unit was forced to rely heavily upon safety zones and man coverages to catch up. Let's be honest Tre is a future hall of fame corner back. And, he brought more to the corner spot then anyone else. We weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs or even get past the wild card without Tre. A pick by Poyer changed the complexion of the Bills and Patriots game. We should've of had to rely so heavily on Tre but he's the bread and butter of helping the defensive front get their pressure and generating the coverage sacks. It showed in the end when we blew out KC earlier this season and had Tre. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The only silver lining is Dane Jackson looks like at minimum solid depth. I'm wondering what we do with Levi in the off season. And I think we win that game with Tre as CB1. 4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Tre White can’t cover Hill anyways, nothing would’ve changed. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Love Tre as much as anyone else. However, I think the Bills still lose that game with Tre. It was the coaching decisions and the defensive formation on the last play before the FG in regulation that sealed it. Just my take. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 The first two words that came to my mind when I heard the diagnosis - "Kansas City." 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said: Without Tre can remember sportswriters and analysts saying we were done. Our defensive unit was forced to rely heavily upon safety zones and man coverages to catch up. Let's be honest Tre is a future hall of fame corner back. And, he brought more to the corner spot then anyone else. We weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs or even get past the wild card without Tre. A pick by Poyer changed the complexion of the Bills and Patriots game. We should've of had to rely so heavily on Tre but he's the bread and butter of helping the defensive front get their pressure and generating the coverage sacks. It showed in the end when we blew out KC earlier this season and had Tre. Love Tre and think he was definitely missed the other night. But he’s got a long way to go before being considered Hall Of Fame level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Better draft the best CB available just in case, ACLs are serious trouble for any player. Mostly mental though 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just curious what, if any, news there is on his injury and time table to get back. As a corner I can’t imagine he will be 100 percent next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted January 25, 2022 Author Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, mjfbillsfan said: Just curious what, if any, news there is on his injury and time table to get back. As a corner I can’t imagine he will be 100 percent next year. No full status slated until 2023 he's been cleared for 2022 on a spot duty and rotation basis. We might wind up playing a more aggressive style. With a tighter man to man coverage ratio instead of zone or bubbles. Cleared with an ACL means that a player is spot duty for the next year and will come back the year after in full duties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said: Without Tre can remember sportswriters and analysts saying we were done. Our defensive unit was forced to rely heavily upon safety zones and man coverages to catch up. Let's be honest Tre is a future hall of fame corner back. And, he brought more to the corner spot then anyone else. We weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs or even get past the wild card without Tre. A pick by Poyer changed the complexion of the Bills and Patriots game. We should've of had to rely so heavily on Tre but he's the bread and butter of helping the defensive front get their pressure and generating the coverage sacks. It showed in the end when we blew out KC earlier this season and had Tre. This is very weak sauce IMO. Firstly, it’s not like KC wasn’t missing some key pieces of their team Sunday night. In fact, they were missing more than the Bills were. Secondly, some people myself included, discussed how egregiously thin our CBs and secondary corps were during the off-season. IOL too. Meanwhile tremendous cap and draft capital was poured into the DL, but we have only seen average to good results out of that so far. It’s been a poor value for what’s been spent. While we weren’t going to find anyone who could fill Tre’s shoes, we could’ve gotten both another decent CB and S who could spell our starters without being total liabilities. That might’ve been nice to have against KC. McDermott went all in on the DL so they would have a very deep rotation and they could stay fresh. But the secondary was paper thin going into the season and that definitely cost us Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: The only silver lining is Dane Jackson looks like at minimum solid depth. I'm wondering what we do with Levi in the off season. And I think we win that game with Tre as CB1. In fairness, them losing Tyrann Mathieu so early in the game kinda cancels out us missing Tre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Ten months after his knee injury, Darrelle Revis finally returns after Sept 24 torn acl https://www.tampabay.com/ten-months-after-his-knee-injury-darrelle-revis-finally-returns/2133155/ Tre White injury Nov 26 , so end of Sept if 10 months also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Better draft the best CB available just in case, ACLs are serious trouble for any player. Mostly mental though This. Tre will be back but no telling if he's going to be the same guy, and if we're going to get past KC we need to figure out how to cover their WRs/TE. Of course, Beane will draft the best DL available first 2 rounds. Maybe we can get a speedy CB in FA whose flaws can be mitigated by our Safeties 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: In fairness, them losing Tyrann Mathieu so early in the game kinda cancels out us missing Tre. And a starting CB was out already, right? This game was lost by bad strategy for less than a quarter minute. When you’re competing at championship level, that’s all it takes. Individual players miss games, even in the playoffs. Sure the Chiefs scored more points than they did in the October meeting, and the defensive strategy probably reflected Whites absence. Still it worked because the Bills had the lead with just seconds left. The coaches proceeded to blow it in spectacular fashion. Edited January 25, 2022 by Boatdrinks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 43 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Tre White can’t cover Hill anyways, nothing would’ve changed. I don't know, I think Tre White makes one or two plays in a razor thin game that could change the outcome. He is better than any of our CBs by a country mile. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Never good time to lose a star player…but when they lost White and who they had left to play…made his absence almost unnoticeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, foreboding said: I don't know, I think Tre White makes one or two plays in a razor thin game that could change the outcome. He is better than any of our CBs by a country mile. Players are sometimes unavailable, even star CBs. That’s why coaching matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, foreboding said: I don't know, I think Tre White makes one or two plays in a razor thin game that could change the outcome. He is better than any of our CBs by a country mile. Bills adjusted their scheme once Tre went down - safeties picked up the slack so Levi & Dane didnt have to do everything. Put Tre back in, Safeties can play more agressively. We need Tre back, and we need another CB2. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, foreboding said: I don't know, I think Tre White makes one or two plays in a razor thin game that could change the outcome. He is better than any of our CBs by a country mile. He’s never on Hill or Kelce and when he is he is being burned. He might have made a play but you can see how much our Pro Bowl FS’s cover up for our CB’s. My take on it is their really isn’t a CB in the NFL who can cover these two. The answer to the question is better pass rush and well timed blitzes but our DC is too much of a gutless coward to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 I think we missed him against KC - but it's hard to know. That game was a shootout no matter what. Overall, it's hard to blame injuries. It's rare that a team gets through the season without losing a good or great player, or a few of them. KC lost Mathieu very early on. We took some advantage of that, but I felt like we could have exploited that more (hate to sound so clinical about that - obviously, you never want to see a player get hurt in a big game, but the reality is that he was out & it gave the Bills an opportunity). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 hours ago, BarleyNY said: This is very weak sauce IMO. Firstly, it’s not like KC wasn’t missing some key pieces of their team Sunday night. In fact, they were missing more than the Bills were. Secondly, some people myself included, discussed how egregiously thin our CBs and secondary corps were during the off-season. IOL too. Meanwhile tremendous cap and draft capital was poured into the DL, but we have only seen average to good results out of that so far. It’s been a poor value for what’s been spent. While we weren’t going to find anyone who could fill Tre’s shoes, we could’ve gotten both another decent CB and S who could spell our starters without being total liabilities. That might’ve been nice to have against KC. McDermott went all in on the DL so they would have a very deep rotation and they could stay fresh. But the secondary was paper thin going into the season and that definitely cost us Sunday. I don't think our back-ups were TOTAL liabilities, but to think that Tre White wouldn't have made any difference seems a little shortsighted (which is what some other posters are saying). And who cares who was out on KC? We're talking Bills D here and all I do know is one of our best defensive players was out, so that probably made some difference on our team's performance... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 8 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: The only silver lining is Dane Jackson looks like at minimum solid depth. I'm wondering what we do with Levi in the off season. And I think we win that game with Tre as CB1. If we play in Buffalo (thx Jags) and Tre is playing we win comfortably. I think Levi will test FA. Dane is nice depth like Taron but I'm almost 100% sure we pick CB2 in round 1. Tre probably won't be back until November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Heitz said: I don't think our back-ups were TOTAL liabilities, but to think that Tre White wouldn't have made any difference seems a little shortsighted (which is what some other posters are saying). And who cares who was out on KC? We're talking Bills D here and all I do know is one of our best defensive players was out, so that probably made some difference on our team's performance... What back ups? Our starting 3 CBs (Wallace, Taron Johnson and Dane Jackson), our starting 2 Safeties (Poyer and Hyde) and our 2 starting LBs (Milano and Edmunds) played every defensive snap. 76 total. We were in dime for two plays and Neal came in for a DL. He was the only other back 7 player to see the field. No wonder they were gassed by OT. I didn’t say that Tre would not have made any difference. I said we were so shallow at coverage positions that no one could take a breather. Meanwhile the DL had a robust rotation with only Hughes and Oliver having over 50% of the snaps at 44 and 43, respectively. Of the 9 DL rotating through the game I only saw Oliver make a real impact. As for KC having players out, that was in response to people comparing the two defenses/teams and using Tre’s injury as an excuse. Every team has injuries. It’s a cop out to say “if we were totally healthy we’d have won” while ignoring the fact that the other team was more banged up than yours. Just a horribly weak argument in general and doubly so when your team ignored depth at that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BidsJr Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 IMO, after seeing how the D performed after Tre went out, I am using his money for a tippy top tier DE. I think we would be better of with a better 4 man rush and no Tre, than what we have with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said: Without Tre can remember sportswriters and analysts saying we were done. Our defensive unit was forced to rely heavily upon safety zones and man coverages to catch up. Let's be honest Tre is a future hall of fame corner back. And, he brought more to the corner spot then anyone else. We weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs or even get past the wild card without Tre. A pick by Poyer changed the complexion of the Bills and Patriots game. We should've of had to rely so heavily on Tre but he's the bread and butter of helping the defensive front get their pressure and generating the coverage sacks. It showed in the end when we blew out KC earlier this season and had Tre. Haven't seen us playing more man since we lost Tre The contrary - Tre could support some man coverage, I don't think Dane Jackson is "up" to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 White is clearly the missing piece to defeating KC otherwise you will have coinflip games with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Watch closely what White does here to Kelce in our win against them this year. Tell me White wouldn't of mattered or set a tone again? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said: Without Tre can remember sportswriters and analysts saying we were done. Our defensive unit was forced to rely heavily upon safety zones and man coverages to catch up. Let's be honest Tre is a future hall of fame corner back. And, he brought more to the corner spot then anyone else. We weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs or even get past the wild card without Tre. A pick by Poyer changed the complexion of the Bills and Patriots game. We should've of had to rely so heavily on Tre but he's the bread and butter of helping the defensive front get their pressure and generating the coverage sacks. It showed in the end when we blew out KC earlier this season and had Tre. I think Tre is a really good cornerback and perfect for our system but I wouldn’t call him a future hall of famer. I do think we win the game Sunday if he was healthy. I wouldn’t be upset to see us use our first round pick at the position to one get better but more importantly not have to rush Tre back from injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 No team is completely healthy in game 19. Weak sauce excuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Tre White can’t cover Hill anyways, nothing would’ve changed. There's pretty much nobody in the league that can hence the reason Mahomes can throw to wide open guys so much between Hill and Kelce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Love Tre and think he was definitely missed the other night. But he’s got a long way to go before being considered Hall Of Fame level. Agree but he’s the only true star we have on that side of the ball. Edited January 25, 2022 by starrymessenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) No doubt in my mind the difference between Tre White and Dane Jackson was enough to swing the Bucs game and Chiefs game. Jackson made critical errors in each that directly led to points scored, and both games were decided by one score. Without any real game changers in the front 7 the loss of our elite CB was too much to overcome. Edited January 25, 2022 by HappyDays 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No doubt in my mind the difference between Tre White and Dane Jackson was enough to swing the Bucs game and Chiefs game. Jackson made critical errors in each that directly led to points scored, and both games were decided by one score. Without any real game changers in the front 7 the loss of our elite CB was too much to overcome. Agree 100%. I stated in a thread after the Pats game that this was going to be the game Tre's absence will be felt the most. Which was no secret, but still.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 7:23 AM, mjfbillsfan said: Just curious what, if any, news there is on his injury and time table to get back. As a corner I can’t imagine he will be 100 percent next year. Good question. McDermott addressed him and Zimmer briefly saying "on track". But what does "on track" mean? ACL injuries are said to take 9-12 months to rehab. Tre tore his ACL on 26 November and had surgery on 15 December. 9 months would be mid-August. Here's an article on Tre's injury from PT Dr Kyle Trimble (BangedupBills) https://bangedupbills.com/2021/11/27/buffalo-bills-cb-tredavious-whites-acl-injury-outlook/ Some points of interest are that he says players who return prior to 9 months are at substantially increased risk of re-injury. He also discusses some players who returned to play at a very high level, and concerns that some players do not. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 While we played well without him for a chunk of the season to say he wouldn't make a difference in that game is silly imo. He locks down his side of the field and allows for more specialized coverage. He wasn't there to play the game so we won't know but I think if he is on that field we would've had a better chance of pulling it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Spoiler alert: We will have injuries next season too. And the year after that. And the years after that. Every team does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/25/2022 at 8:16 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Tre White can’t cover Hill anyways, nothing would’ve changed. Chip kelce every chance you can and put Tre on him, double hill every play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Tre was widely considered a top 3 player on our roster. KC top 3 includes Hill Kelce and Mahomes. Take away 1 of those guys and they would struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 But what makes Tre a great player is not only his skill but like Kelsey when he saw how the Bills were playing that formation he brought it to someones attention would Tre if being on the field have that same insight because of him being that guy on our D ? Lets just say IF Tre was out there & even though that D formation was called would he be that player that said I'm not playing back if Kelsey wants this he's going to have to beat me or go through me to get it & busted him coming off the line that is something we will never know . But what i am saying is that those players like a Kelsey, Mahomes, Tre, Josh are recognized in the NFL for who they are & that special almost 6th sense that they have for playing the game & although we will never know if he could have been the guy that made just 1 play like Diggs did on the 2 point play because of his extraterrestrial skills . But i'm sure he was watching & even he will learn from it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 White is a very good corner but he is not an elite CB. Only way he makes HOF is if he moves to safety and plays another decade. No doubt he makes a difference in that game. But just about any corner in the league has the sped to stay with Kelce. Had Wallace simply not given him that ridiculous cushion he would not have been so wide open. I suspect he was coached to lone up like that. The whole defense was playing to prevent a TD not to stop them from getting precious yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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