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1 hour ago, Turbo44 said:

And there are plenty of DEs available on FA. Will be $$ picking the right one is key. I Personally like Clowney 

Chandler Jones!  Fix pass rush-that elevates our whole D.  Then prioritize offense in draft-RB, WR, TE, OL

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On 1/24/2022 at 1:33 AM, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

I would go OL, then DB, then edge rusher, in that order.

 

I would also rather acquire a proven pass rusher rather than draft one that we hope turns into a good player; this administration is terrible at evaluating DL talent.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I would go OL, then DB, then edge rusher, in that order.

 

I would also rather acquire a proven pass rusher rather than draft one that we hope turns into a good player; this administration is terrible at evaluating DL talent.

 

 

Why do you keep on saying that it makes you look ignorant the staff is not bad at evaluating dl talent

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I want my big tub of goo for the D line

Ankau Isn’t fair enough for you

 

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14 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Do you think there is a talent difference between pick 25 and 40? There isn't. The only reason to stay in first round is the fifth year extension option. 

Otherwise I take 4 picks in the top 100 over 3 any day even if that means dropping out of the first round. 

For what it is worth I think Beane will stay put and take the best CB left on their board. 

 

Of that list the only guy worth a contract is Phillips. Mid-season when he was a healthy scratch I though he was gone. But he really played well when Zimmer went down.  Good news is there shouldn ot be much of a competitive market for him.

Wallace will be too expensive and they can get younger and cheaper in the draft. Zimmer and Boettger were not that good before they were injured. Obada on a veteran minimum maybe but I suspect any UDFA DE can fill his role. 

JSP

 

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With 9 picks in the upcoming draft, use one of the day-3 choices and get the best punter available if there's one that is seen as an upgrade over Haack or other available FA's. 

Would love to have a punter who can hang it high to give the Bills' defenders an opportunity to down it inside the 20 consistently.  Getting sick of net gains of 30 yards with touchbacks following punts.

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On 1/24/2022 at 1:33 AM, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

Wide receiver.

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14 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

And there are plenty of DEs available on FA. Will be $$ picking the right one is key. I Personally like Clowney 

 

my guys is Chandler Jones.  Clowney would be okay if the money is right, but not a lot of production out of him so far.  

fill holes by trading picks or in FA.  Then BPA.  Impact day 1 players/starters from the draft if we have Rd. 1 and 2 picks.  That's all.  

 

That said, I think those players are likely to be at one of several positions: C (if Linderblum (sp) falls); CB (lots of talented CBs coming out, need the right one who can press a WR and has speed; WR--class is also deep.  Safety: we have to aging/expensive safeties, are there any guys who would fit that mold in the 2nd round (haven't seen many mocked later in the first).  

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It will be interesting to see how the draft needs shift throughout early free agency.

 

Right now, here is kind of how I would rank the team needs. 

 

IOL

IDL

CB

WR

EDGE

RB

TE

QB

 

And even though WR, RB, & TE are lower on the list, I do think that they need to try and add one more offensive weapon that other teams need to worry about as they prepare for the Bills. 

 

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Signing just one stable free agent to improve either corner, C/G, WR, or 1-Tech DT will greatly simplify the draft picture.  Not talking about reclamation projects, but known commodities.   Would like a quality guard in free agency since the interior OL needs starting level talent from Game 1.  Josh is lethal with a good O-line (protection) and all moves need to support this.  Other positions can be drafted and worked in when ready.

7 hours ago, SoMAn said:

With 9 picks in the upcoming draft, use one of the day-3 choices and get the best punter available if there's one that is seen as an upgrade over Haack or other available FA's. 

Would love to have a punter who can hang it high to give the Bills' defenders an opportunity to down it inside the 20 consistently.  Getting sick of net gains of 30 yards with touchbacks following punts.

Agree.  The old cliche points about kickers and punters not being real football players and not worth drafting have no merit.  A good punter is a weapon and more is made and lost with a good punter than the backup scrub you usually get in Rds 6-7. 

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Favorite mock so far.

 

25. Zion Johnson IOL,

 

57. Breece Hall RB,

 

89. Jalen Wydermyer TE,

 

128. Alec Lindstrom IOL,

 

167. Josh Williams - Fayetteville State

CB,

 

183. Nick Grant S,

 

201. Tyquan Thornton WR,

 

228. P.J. Mustipher IDL,

 

243. Smoke Monday S,

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This one from fan speak has different ratings. As can be seen.

 

25: R1 P25 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa

57: R2 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State

89: R3 P25 CB Tariq Castro-Fields - Penn State

129: R4 P25 G Jamaree Salyer - Georgia

168: R5 P25 CB Brendan Radley-Hiles - Washington

184: R6 P6 WR Charleston Rambo - Miami

202: R6 P24 S Bubba Bolden - Miami

229: R7 P10 DL Otito Ogbonnia - UCLA

244: R7 P25 S Yusuf Corker - Kentucky

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I feel like you create your Board then wait to see what happens.  If there are 7 players you love and the Bills are on the clock, trade down.  If the 19th pick was just made and only one player you love is left, trade up.  There are too many variables to have a pre-determined strategy of targeting positions or trades.  

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8 hours ago, SoMAn said:

With 9 picks in the upcoming draft, use one of the day-3 choices and get the best punter available if there's one that is seen as an upgrade over Haack or other available FA's. 

Would love to have a punter who can hang it high to give the Bills' defenders an opportunity to down it inside the 20 consistently.  Getting sick of net gains of 30 yards with touchbacks following punts.

Seems like an excellent use of a 6th or 7th round pick.

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34 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

I feel like you create your Board then wait to see what happens.  If there are 7 players you love and the Bills are on the clock, trade down.  If the 19th pick was just made and only one player you love is left, trade up.  There are too many variables to have a pre-determined strategy of targeting positions or trades.  

I've been thinking of taking all the big boards from the top 5-6 draft sites and coming up with all in one big board. It should help make mocks that fall closer to reality. At least that's the logic behind it. But not doing it, till after combine.

 

This one's from first pick.

 

Round 1 Pick 26: Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 26: Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 26: George Pickens, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 26: Brian Asamoah, ILB/OLB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 26: Chris Paul, OG, Tulsa (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Mykael Wright, CB, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 25: Demani Richardson, FS/SS, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 7 Pick 10: Joshua Williams, CB, Fayetteville State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 26: Jordan Stout, P, Penn State (A+)
 

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2 minutes ago, All I Need is Hope said:

Rousseau, Basham and Epenesa need to take pretty big jumps.  The tough part is that we don't know if they can/will.  I don't want to spend another high pick/more money on edge rushers.

 

I'd like us to get a top IDL, IOL, CB.

If Jermaine Johnson is there at our pick, do you take him. I watched his film looks like he'd fit right in with the other 3 youngsters. The best thing for pass coverage is a phyco pass rush.

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23 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

I've been thinking of taking all the big boards from the top 5-6 draft sites and coming up with all in one big board. It should help make mocks that fall closer to reality. At least that's the logic behind it. But not doing it, till after combine.

 

This one's from first pick.

 

Round 1 Pick 26: Jordan Davis, DT, Georgia (A)
Round 2 Pick 26: Breece Hall, RB, Iowa State (A+)
Round 3 Pick 26: George Pickens, WR, Georgia (A+)
Round 4 Pick 26: Brian Asamoah, ILB/OLB, Oklahoma (A+)
Round 5 Pick 26: Chris Paul, OG, Tulsa (A+)
Round 6 Pick 6: Mykael Wright, CB, Oregon (A+)
Round 6 Pick 25: Demani Richardson, FS/SS, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 7 Pick 10: Joshua Williams, CB, Fayetteville State (A+)
Round 7 Pick 26: Jordan Stout, P, Penn State (A+)
 

Why did we trade down 1 spot to 26?

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One mock has the Bills getting Nakobe Dean at 25. I watched his highlights and was very impressed. He is an ILB who can go side to side, plug every open hole and can pass rush like a homing missile. Looks good in coverage as well. Sure looks like a Mahomes destroyer to me

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2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

Favorite mock so far.

 

25. Zion Johnson IOL,

 

57. Breece Hall RB,

 

89. Jalen Wydermyer TE,

 

128. Alec Lindstrom IOL,

 

167. Josh Williams - Fayetteville State

CB,

 

183. Nick Grant S,

 

201. Tyquan Thornton WR,

 

228. P.J. Mustipher IDL,

 

243. Smoke Monday S,


What about Drink Tuesday? 

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messed around and did this

 

25: R1 P25 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

57: R2 P25 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

89: R3 P25 EDGE Boye Mafe - Minnesota

129: R4 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State

168: R5 P25 TE Jake Ferguson - Wisconsin

184: R6 P6 G Cade Mays - Tennessee

202: R6 P24 G Cole Strange - Chattanooga

229: R7 P10 WR Calvin Austin III - Memphis

244: R7 P25 LB Jeremiah Gemmel - North Carolina

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2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

If Jermaine Johnson is there at our pick, do you take him. I watched his film looks like he'd fit right in with the other 3 youngsters. The best thing for pass coverage is a phyco pass rush.


yup he should be right up there with Hutchinson and Thibs but my guess is as the process continues he’ll be closer to top 10 than bottom half first round 

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49 minutes ago, frogger said:

messed around and did this

 

25: R1 P25 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

57: R2 P25 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

89: R3 P25 EDGE Boye Mafe - Minnesota

129: R4 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State

168: R5 P25 TE Jake Ferguson - Wisconsin

184: R6 P6 G Cade Mays - Tennessee

202: R6 P24 G Cole Strange - Chattanooga

229: R7 P10 WR Calvin Austin III - Memphis

244: R7 P25 LB Jeremiah Gemmel - North Carolina


In this scenario in the McD era we would have spent 3 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks and 2 3rd round picks on the d-line. Not to mention all the FA money spent towards it and it’s nowhere close to being as dominants as it should be. Yikes.

 

I have concerns about Davis and it’s basically whether he’ll be more than just an early down player at the next level. I’d prefer day 1 and 2 picks to be guys that can consistently get to the QB. Not sure if that’s Davis 

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1 hour ago, frogger said:

messed around and did this

 

25: R1 P25 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

57: R2 P25 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

89: R3 P25 EDGE Boye Mafe - Minnesota

129: R4 P25 RB Breece Hall - Iowa State

168: R5 P25 TE Jake Ferguson - Wisconsin

184: R6 P6 G Cade Mays - Tennessee

202: R6 P24 G Cole Strange - Chattanooga

229: R7 P10 WR Calvin Austin III - Memphis

244: R7 P25 LB Jeremiah Gemmel - North Carolina


I watched the Senior Bowl and Boye Mafe really stood out, and they said he’ll probably test off the charts at the combine, will be interested to see where he ends up getting drafted. 
 

Jake Ferguson also looked excellent, looks like a quick and athletic TE, made some nice catches. I would have expected him to be more of a receiving TE in college but apparently he’s a really good blocker and wasn’t used to much as a receiver. I hope the Bills are looking at him. 

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I used to be in favor of trading down when there's an opportunity to gain picks, but in our current situation that might not be wise.  There's no sense in getting later picks if they're just going to get stolen off our practice squad with no compensation.

 

I think we need to focus on interior offensive line, #2 CB, Speed wr, and D-line (1-tech DT and pass rusher), then maybe RB if one falls to us.

 

We will likely restructure some contracts to free up some cap room and fill a couple of these positions in free agency. 

 

Honestly, we're in a great position because we have no immediate dire needs and we can take BPA.

 

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(traded down)


41.

Zion Johnson

OG Boston College

 

57.

Wan'Dale Robinson

WR Kentucky

 

89.

Channing Tindall

LB Georgia

 

113.

Alontae Taylor

CB Tennessee

 

127.

Josh Jobe

CB Alabama

 

167.

Tayland Humphrey

DT Louisiana

 

185.

Brock Hoffman

OC Virginia Tech

 

204.

Chigoziem Okonkwo

TE Maryland

 

230.

Tanner Conner

WR Idaho State

 

245.

Otito Ogbonnia

DT UCLA

 

Extra picks:

2023 SEA 2nd

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5 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

If Jermaine Johnson is there at our pick, do you take him. I watched his film looks like he'd fit right in with the other 3 youngsters. The best thing for pass coverage is a phyco pass rush.

And the best thing for a pass rush is excellent, sustained coverage. 

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My #1 guy is Kaiir Elam the CB from Florida. The guy’s incredible, there is a very real chance that he will be there at #25. Kid has Jalen Ramsey type of potential. He’s lengthy at 6’2, great ball skills and the kid is a monster in run defense too. I see him as a potential Pro Bowl player over time. Perfect guy to pair up with Tre.

 

 

 

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On 2/7/2022 at 12:10 PM, LABILLBACKER said:

From now on I draft offense and trade picks for PROVEN defensive players. Don't let McD make anymore defensive selections. This strategy worked brilliantly with Diggs. Good Lord keep doing it. And don't be afraid to go all in like the Rams. So many 1st round picks bust anyway. 

I’m not opposed to doing this again, like we did for Diggs,  for the right player this is a very good option, but you gotta have all your ducks in a row before you pull that trigger. 
 

Go Bills!!!
 

 

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Below is one I did on PFF. Kind of like it even though we are really early for where most guys will ultimately be ranked.

 

25 - Roger Mccreary CB Auburn 

57 - Skyy Moore WR W. Michigan 

89 - Jeremy Ruckert TE Ohio State

127 - Jerome Ford RB Cincinnati 

166 - Cordelle Volson T N Dakota St

184 - Mike Rose LB Iowa St

202 - Otito Ogbonnia DL UCLA

242 - Nick Ford C Utah 

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17 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I used to be in favor of trading down when there's an opportunity to gain picks, but in our current situation that might not be wise.  There's no sense in getting later picks if they're just going to get stolen off our practice squad with no compensation.

 

I think we need to focus on interior offensive line, #2 CB, Speed wr, and D-line (1-tech DT and pass rusher), then maybe RB if one falls to us.

 

We will likely restructure some contracts to free up some cap room and fill a couple of these positions in free agency. 

 

Honestly, we're in a great position because we have no immediate dire needs and we can take BPA.

 

I'm thinking this might be the time to trade up, for an impact player they really like. 9 draft picks is to many for the way this team is built. You've got 3 teams with multiple 1st round picks, all of whom are rebuilding, that's were you strike. If that means one of next year's picks, so be it.

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